Mocata

Spoiler - he does.

Rey’s theme has a lot of things in it because they had no plan and Williams was covering a variety of possibilities.

Here ya go: https://youtu.be/FstNC8T4LjA

Broom Kid said:

Hiding reasonable, justified criticisms behind something called “two-hour-rage” is ridiculously counterproductive. Why would anyone want to watch a “two-hour-rage” directed at anything?

If the criticisms are reasonable and justified what’s the benefit in presenting them as two hours of concentrated rage?

Reasonable critique gets less clicks of course.

Motion capture isn’t as much performance as they would like us to believe, and I think the animators are the ones that make or break the end result. Maz in TFA looked decent in many shots but always looked like a visual effect.

The Maz Kanata puppet was very obvious. Shame it wasn’t put in TFA in the first place.

If SKB actually felt like a weird ancient weapon sent out from the unknown regions to mess up the status quo, then I’d be happier about it. But they didn’t even retcon something like that in, they still didn’t explain the status of the new republic or the origins of the First Order. I expected to see Lando actually visit the remaining rebels or something that showed members of the First Order struggling with the idea of joining the Final Order. It’s weird.

I’m not arguing the fact, it’s just interesting to see how little (comparatively) some films made. But they carried forward anyway instead of being reactive. By Phase 2 it was clearly in the groove.

Cthulhunicron said:

Mocata said:

Strange that something like Captain America seemed to have underperformed by modern standards.

As for TROS I guess some word of mouth has kept it going?

Captain America was a lot more popular after the Avengers movie

Yeah but you can’t reverse engineer box office takings.

Empire. All Jedi has was a bunch of muppets.

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Force-Abel said:

On the coming novelization of ‘The Rise Of Skywalker’, by author Rae Carson:-

“just gonna shamelessly take this moment to mention that if the #TheRiseOfSkywalker film included everything in the novelization, it would definitely be at least 3 hours long”

^ https://twitter.com/raecarson/status/1212810807009873926
 

The book will be available from March 3rd - https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Skywalker-Expanded-Star-Wars/dp/0593128400

That tweet kind-of confirms the reddit leaks in regards to the insider speaking about how Disney screwed up JJ’s original 3-hour cut. Then again, it’s a rumour.

Then again, wasn’t that all discredited?

I’d be far more accepting if there was any honesty involved. Something like Blade Runner, The Lord of the Rings or Amadeus is labelled clearly so you know what’s in the box. Even if certain versions are rarely released. With these it’s still shown as 1977 instead of whatever Special Edition they’re now selling. Those two words don’t appear anywhere.

Strange that something like Captain America seemed to have underperformed by modern standards.

As for TROS I guess some word of mouth has kept it going?

Ah yes Sybok, that beloved character…

DuracellEnergizer said:

CatBus said:

And then Vader’s stepping on the robes turns into a curb-stomp of the mangled body. I’m liking where this is headed.

And have Vader yell “It’s all your fault! You were jealous! You were holding me back!” at the top of his lungs while doing it.

It’s like poetry.

Or y’know… he didn’t want to for anyone else.

SPOILERS FOR TROS IN THE VIDEO LINKED BELOW…

Star Wars: The Franchise That Choked
https://youtu.be/psHdd-4FGQk

Star Wars Kabuki Theatre
https://youtu.be/jbJQcbbKazw

I have no idea what is happening, but there seems to be dance interpretations of Snoke’s guards scene in TLJ and maybe the finale with Luke? Beats me.

Thanks for reminding us that Detours existed.

I see RO was being similar to John Carenter’s The Thing, which also had a strong cast of characters, despite none of them having any clear backstory, shown or told. We learn who those character truly are through their response to the crisis in the film, and I personally think that’s so much more interesting than just a series of flashbacks

The Thing is a masterpiece, carried by a cast who are distinct with small amounts of screen time between them. They are memorable and often charismatic. RO has no such cast. And it’s the wrong genre for that sort of ensemble.

canofhumdingers said:
When he found the hallway full of rebels, he did what he routinely does in the OT and goes into action.

What he routinely does is stand behind the front line cannon fodder while they die in droves, then he steps forward to assess the damage. He doesn’t move that fast, ever, and he doesn’t use his lightsaber or the force wastefully like that. If only the way he acts was the issue… but the main problem is that he’s clearly been added in a reshoot for fan-service. Any theme of sacrifice (which was barely achieved with the blandest cast) is thrown out by a finale that cheers on the bad guy. Am I crazy is this all wrong to anyone else?

DuracellEnergizer said:

“Sheev” is Palpatine’s first name. That detail was one of Lucas’ last contributions to the lore, IIRC.

I can’t wait for the next edited release where someone says it out loud.

Broom Kid said:

Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.

It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.

Broom Kid said:

Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.

It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.

ZkinandBonez said:

Also, how was Jyn’s origin cut? The first 10 min. or so is her backstory

The first 10 min shows her father’s history catching up with him. Her training and subsequent falling out with Saw have been dropped.

It’s impossible to be sure, after all JJ helped make Star Trek Into Darkness which is very similar.

The problem is that we are told his backstory not shown it. The same with Jyn since hers was cut. It’s the same as Anakin and Obiwan being “good friends”. We never see that. He’s in a bad place after being in the war so long? So much for TLJ being the only example of deconstruction and grey areas. Too bad our experience in the movie is him flying about with a comedy robot, and a couple of darker moments that are quickly glossed over.