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lovelikewinter said:
green lightsabers in the Falcon, a blueberry Hoth and everyone having rosacea?
Vader’s pink saber in parts of Empire and Jedi is one of my personal faves. It was his original vision!
I mean I sorta enjoyed Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs… does that translate over to good Star Wars? I honestly have no idea.
Uhh? I guess they just mean red but don’t want to be mundane…
Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.
I think this problem could be alleviated by having a main character stuck in that hallway with Vader. Maybe a current character could be rewritten to be in that scene, or it could be a new character. The idea is that the audience is hopeful because this character managed to avoid the destruction of Scariff, so we’re rooting for him to get out of there.
They could A) make Vader the antagonist or B) use him in place of CGI-Tarkin. The problem then becomes writing him in properly, instead of him randomly meeting nameless guys in a hallway. Imagine if they wrote in a Jedi hunt plot around this which leads them to Jedha and wraps back around to Jyn and friends.
SilverWook said:
Vader probably relished a chance to cut loose on some Rebel scum.
But he casually walks in and looks around at the dead troops like it’s just another day at the office. I see what you mean but the whole thing feels like the obligatory lightsaber moment. It’s trying too hard to be badass seconds after a sombre ending.
Dominic, I see what you mean; of course his presence is not necessary. But you said in your earlier post that he “does not belong in this movie.” That’s a bit hyperbole, I think, and implies that his presence is damaging. I just wonder in what way you think his presence is damaging to the film.
It depends what you consider damaging. Vader’s scene is the most obvious reshoot material because he never meets the heroes face to face. It comes across as a very last minute addition (which it is). It also overturns their sacrifice by making the audience root for him instead. If he was written into the story effectively it might work, but it’s just an effects scene. To me Vader isn’t the sort of character who would even consider using his lightsaber this way, he’s too cool and collected. The ending should be about people with shades of grey feeling they have achieved something bigger than their own selfish ideals. Instead it’s just a spectacle, they hug, they die, now here’s a epic as hell lightsaber massacre ohhhooo yeaaahhhh. Oh but hope. It’s about hope.
Just for curiosity’s sake, what is you guys’ opinion of Search for Spock? I personally think it’s the most underrated Trek film, and one of the best in the series.
I don’t think it’s bad, I always watch it as part of the mid series plot line. I really like the first half at Starfleet, it gives all the characters a moment and it feels like a fun heist movie. The word is no, into the closet etc etc. The second half becomes kind of shlock with the classic bad Star Trek planet and the punching. Like some TOS series of course. But the pacing goes off for me at this stage and the death of David doesn’t feel earned since we never see him doing anything with his dad. Thankfully they work this into his early motivation in STVI which is a great idea.
Well the original is pretty far ahead of anything that came after but personally I enjoy;
Mothra Vs Godzilla
Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster
Destroy All Monsters
Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah
Godzilla Vs Mothra
I also like King Kong Escapes and War of the Gargantuas. Also the original Gamera, and the first two movies from the reboot trilogy. A friend to all children. Even those he crushed and burned to death. * cue theme song *
She is. But a film like Terminator Genysis would have been a train wreck without her.
Well I said mostly
JawsTDS said:
that’s just like, their opinion, man.
They could at least try and express it in a more interesting way though.
- Labyrinth (1986) – 9/10
- A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987) – 8/10
- Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (2015) – 6/10
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) – 8/10
- Home Alone (1990) – 7/10
- Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992) – 6.5/10
Okay
Eh I would swap the score for Misery with Raiders and I’m not a big John Hughes fan, but you know I think this is mostly fair.
I watched Slaughterhouse-Five, it’s a cool concept with plenty of interesting ideas despite a few overly comedic bits. There are comparisons with a recent release that is also good but saying more gives away too much. Another one for the list of great pre-Star Wars 70s scifi flicks.
FanFiltration said:
TokyoGore gifs
Haha! Time to revisit this one
What, no love for Michael Rooker’s rape face?
No love for the perspective that gives him a tiny hand?
Just throwing this out here;
maybe what he meant to say was “how he made a name for himself”.
I’m hoping for an awkward and embarrassing X-Men type name dropping scene
Which would be less painful, Hayden coming back or Sebastian Shaw being resurrected?
I will echo some of the thoughts about Dark Forces II. No “Darth Badguy” names. Villains with weird powers and even blue lightsabers. The whole vertical city setting. It’s probably aged really badly but it was the most exciting thing I’d ever seen when it was new. The dark side ending was so cool.
You’re just describing Alderaan and impscum’s arguments.
XD
Lord Haseo said:
… whereas Bodhi only had like one scene where he sufficiently states who he is and what his motives are. They could have least made his personality more colorful so that he could have made an impression in another way. Anything is better than having him doing nothing for most of the film.
Right, it needed time for him to be introduced, see what the plans are, and bond with Galen before escaping. But there’s no time for that in this plot structure. You could just as easily have Saw Gerrara already have the plans from an unknown spy. Character arcs are not rocket science, but I felt like the first act needed way more development or less team members who have more chemistry. They could scrap Bodhi, Baze and Cassian and bring in Chirrut earlier while not killing off Saw for a better sense of clashing ideology while allowing Jyn to grow more.
I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in.
A little screen presence goes a long way. But the ones with natural charisma didn’t get enough to do personally.
The Marvel comics version probably gave a few young fans spooky dreams. 😉
This is amazing.
Is Vader shouting his own name?
It’s more the colours I think. Jabba is quite strongly orange and green and in that he just looks really dark for some reason. Especially the eyes. The weird skin pock marks don’t help.
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