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#1296380
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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The spin-off movies being put on ice may be a reaction to the recent box office results, but I think that the TV route is still their way of turning SW into one big series so that viewers feel seeing every piece is essential. Particularly now that all the shows under their umbrella have that veneer of exclusivity. I wouldn’t be surprised if the audience being hooked back in improves the status of the big screen releases.

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#1295592
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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BedeHistory731 said:

I’ve long thought that Solo is just the Star Wars equivalent of the opening scene from Last Crusade. It’s trying to explain everything about this character, all the while destroying the mystery surrounding his origins. While I like what I’ve seen of it, it’s got its problems and I think it would have been better served as a Disney+ series about the Star Wars underworld.

I guess that’s true. If only it was a setup for a similar arc like with Indy’s father or the cross.

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#1294580
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Similarities Between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy
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The broad ideas of what Palpatine was doing are fine but the execution doesn’t really work when we’re supposed to believe that an entire army of clones was hidden, then used by the Jedi, then they killed the Jedi, all without anyone getting anything more than a “sense” something is wrong. Instead of some kind of actual hunt being shown. The Clone War should have been EPI, the purge should have been EpII and then the dark times EpIII. The whole trilogy should really have been re-structured to resemble a historical epic. The set pieces are there (chariot races and gladiator arenas) but the “Fall of the Roman Empire” style plot is complete shambles. And the wheel of time is again an interesting idea with a series about fated bloodlines and destiny etc but the way it mirrors the OT is far too sloppy. I don’t hate the PT… it’s just so boring and bad that it’s not watchable.

As for plot inconsistencies… I mean why are Luke and Leia in the films? Why is Vader’s resurrection? In fact why are characters like Yoda and Palpatine here? It should have been made to preserve all the twists and character reveals for new audiences but the toy line came first I guess. The OT had some much world building by referencing events and characters off screen, but here it’s all reduced down so that everything happens on Coruscant and Tatooine.

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#1294455
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Similarities between the Original Trilogy and the Sequel Trilogy
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You can see how that might be confusing when you skip ahead 20-30 years. I do agree that they could have provided more context in the films, but the existence of the similarities doesn’t break it for me. I think that really is the weakness, because I think with the right context your audience would say, “Yeah, that makes sense.”

Well amongst all the similarities they wanted is to have that idea of being flung into the action, which in some ways works. I really like the opening with Kylo meeting Max von Sydow. But while the OT dripped little pieces of info so it never feels too alien, TFA needed something like that Death Star conference scene to quickly sum up current affairs. Or even just a quick sound bite here and there to say the Republic is soft and doesn’t want to openly support Leia’s para-military actions.

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#1294430
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I guess everyone assumes that Palpatine’s ghost haunts the DSII wreckage, which is in the sea… by a wheat field or something? Plus there’s a TFA concept piece showing the observation tower under water which they are probably revisiting. The desert world was called Pasaana or something I think so probably not the same place.

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#1294404
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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yotsuya said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

Disney are pushing a very mixed message in obviously wanting to sell their new, young cast of characters (often at the expense of the old beloved OT characters), even pushing a literal 4th wall message in TLJ with “let the past die…” but are so afraid of not getting enough bums on cinema seats that they’ll use the OT at every chance they get, knowing it is what everyone already loves and gets people’s attention. So you get this weird circular behaviour of “forget about your old, tired and failed heroes and look at our new awesome young and diverse heroes out to actually save the day” all the while playing out the same plot points of the OT with a few jumbled up for good measure and shoving all this imagery and references of the OT in your face while someone like Rian claims to be breaking new artistic ground because he shoehorned some manufactured bait and switches into Star Wars.

Because the ST is so referential of the OT, in many ways it is literally a pale shadow of the originals that has been lazily twisted and skewed to try and make it look different.

Let the past die is not the message of any of this. That came from the Jaded Luke and Kylo Ren, neither of them expressing the main focus of the films at the time they said it.

I think the problem is that even when the messages are spelled out (i.e. Kylo is the bad guy his view is wrong) people want to take the wrong idea away. A lot of this thread is just conjecture and ideas about why it’s going to fail just because people think it should, rather than because it realistically could.

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#1294401
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Similarities between the Original Trilogy and the Sequel Trilogy
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There’s a lot of awkward repetition, some of it is well meaning and other elements that feel way too clumsy. I mentioned in the other thread that the PT never feels like Star Wars, and while many inclusions are on the right track I’m not sure it ever get it entirely right here. They must have spent a lot of time on the whole “what is SW to the audience” but just settled on vaguely following the heroes journey, a few iconic bits, a few new things that feel out of place. My major issue is that while finding the ST to be pretty entertaining it’s always just shy of hitting the right mark, like just one more draft, just one more take, just one more adjustment.

The PT always felt like a vague idea of what could work slapped together over a Summer at the ranch, instead of a “kill your darlings” kind of effort where extraneous junk was culled and a proper storyline was given life. Here it’s more that the broad strokes are being painting but the edges are fuzzy, the delineation hasn’t been given enough time. They’ve put effort into fixing the “big picture” or the “idea of Star Wars”. But I’d prefer to see stuff involving the Imperial Remnant or a wilder Outer Rim story away from all the doomsday machines.

The whole thing does feel very meta though. Kylo and Rey are fighting over the toys. Give me back my lightsaber etc. Now in TROS they’re battling over ownership of a DSII collectable. But I guess the problem was always how to expand this stuff further without so many farcical gags or lore breaking moments. There are only so many X-Wing battles and monster escape scenes that you can do before the space wizard bag of tricks is empty.

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#1294394
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I don’t know if they showed a new planet, but it looked vaguely like place where Maz Canata lived. Maybe she had a bunch of other Jedi junk lying around. Then again maybe it’s just a generic forest world.

I assumed it was a vision as soon as I watched it and I suspect most people did. Not really a slip up on the official discussion leak.

It didn’t stop all the evil clone discussions.