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- 'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread
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At this stage I assume nothing is fine until production actually starts.
At this stage I assume nothing is fine until production actually starts.
You’re never going to believe this! /s
https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-jedi-order-film-loses-knight/
“Peaky Blinders” creator Steven Knight is reportedly no longer writing the upcoming “Star Wars” film, previously nicknamed “New Jedi Order,” that will see the return of Daisy Ridley’s Rey. Puck News broke the story and indicates that as a result of this, the film will likely not achieve its previously rumored December 2026 release date.
Oh god that is a weird comparison but also kinda true…
Jedi Rocks being better but Yub Nub getting cut was always hilariously tone deaf. Like now is the time for a ‘mature’ change, really?
For Lucas, it’s just valent to his prequels (and the context of the 70s) that his Empire is America. It’s a reflection of Star Wars’ contemporaneous moment. One of the most ‘revolutionary’ times in pop art and music.
Oh sure, it’s clear from characters that say things like ‘I’m not in this for your revolution sister,’ that certain contemporary ideas are being pulled in. Or at least ones from the previous decade. I just feel like because of the prequels having to be part of his ‘original vision’ these elements like the ‘war on terror’ have to align with earlier social issues. So of course he will say it was always about Vietnam. It was always six movies, and so on. I just don’t really see the broad strokes in the OT at all. So I guess we can agree to disagree.
There’s a difference between drawing visual and thematic inspiration from Vietnam, and doing a full-on allegory about the Vietnam war. And if Star Wars really was meant to be a Vietnam allegory, then it’s a really bad one for several reasons.
George has always been one to speak bluntly. He’s not gonna beat around the bush and say something like “I drew on the visuals and themes of Vietnam to enhance my story.” He’ll just say “It’s about Vietnam. Palpatine is Nixon.” Because he speaks bluntly. That doesn’t make it a full allegory, necessarily.
While I appreciate the note about Cosmonaut orange there are few real references to things in the Cold War (you’d have to ignore that Yuri Gagarin fought the Nazis not the USA). The Imperial troops aren’t wearing tiger-stripe green and being entrenched in guerilla warfare. The WW2 stuff just overrides almost everything else. They’re not in an arms race, they trying to stop one big new weapon like the 1940s. They’re not a down and dirty faction using any basic tools they can, they’re equipped with fighters that in many cases are better than the big bad have, like in the 1940s.
Admittedly the like of Rogue One and Andor muddy the waters but the point stands. “Palpatine is Nixon” falls apart because there’s no opposing leaders to fit that analogue. Are the leaders from Yavin the Chinese? Are the Mon Calamari the USSR? Even if he did say “I drew on the visuals and themes of Vietnam to enhance my story,” then it falls down. Which is very funny when you think that James Cameron is the one that has made multiple films built in incredibly blunt 'Nam references.
The restoration has already been done… by the hobbyists and fans.
Library of Congress was never given an original negative, it was the Special Edition right?
How long did Luke know Ben, in the context of the OT?
To me, it always felt like they knew each other for awhile, but couldn’t see each other often because of Owen. They seem familiar with one another in their scenes together.
“Ben! Boy am I glad to see you.”
“Tell me young Luke, what brings you out this far?”
Whether or not they knew each other for awhile, I’ve never agreed with the criticism of Luke for being too sad when he dies. Luke is a person who grows to care for people fast. Likely because he doesn’t seem to have many friends on Tatooine left.
Luke about R2 near the end of the movie, after a couple days with him:
“Not on your life! That little droid and I have been through a lot together.”
Yeah it’s not that obvious, although he just calls him a strange old hermit earlier on, rather than anything more formal.
Jedi Power Battles is the latest game to get an Aspyr remaster. The question is why?
I find the whole crystal bleeding thing to be pretty stupid.
It is.
Also new lore says the Death Star laser uses these crystals. So they special rare and “alive” but also so easy to mine in huge quantities? Absolute nonsense.
Because the imagery of The Galactic Empire is more clearly defined as I said already.
Unfortunately Screen Rant is a rag and George didn’t make the films by himself. As per early in the thread:
Mocata said:
George is clearly one of bean counters who would have commissioned somebody else to create a work of art. Imagine if a Pope back in history claimed that some masterpiece was all their own doing and had the right to paint over it.
The Viet Cong analogue is probably more relevant in Return of the Jedi, when the Ewoks fight the Stormtroopers. But even as regards the whole Original Trilogy, the “WW2 in space” analogy can only go so far (and refers mostly to the visuals and special effects), because the Original Trilogy is not about a war between political equals (despite the fact that A New Hope confusingly refers to a “Galactic Civil War” in the opening crawl). Rather, it is about asymmetric war between insurgents and an all-powerful totalitarian regime.
Yes the Ewoks, however poorly executed, at least resemble low-tech fighters against a much larger and more advance power. I just don’t see it as a metaphor for the US military action during that period. The iconography just doesn’t work.
However, the WW2 thing is more clear since you can take the Battle of Britain era with one small island against the whole of the Third Reich. Or resistance fighters in places like France and Norway. Later they gain more allies and fight on a more equal scale which turns the tide, etc. George saw movies about that in the 1950s after all.
It could stem from the time he was trying to make Revenge of the Sith seem deeper than it really was.
“That was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term,” Lucas told the Chicago Tribune in 2005. “[That] got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”
Then the later interview with James Cameron seems to be the source of the Viet Cong idea which he probably just made up there and then to sound cool in front of the camera. Unless the Making Of books have anything in them to back this up.
Something I thought of recently after a few weird interviews, as usual, with George. Two separate incidences:
George insisted: “The purpose of Star Wars was – it was during the Vietnam War, I was going to do Apocalypse Now and I couldn’t do it. So, I took a lot of the ideas and put them into this movie."
“When I did it,” Lucas replied, “they were Viet Cong.”
Except the whole of Star Wars was WW2 in space. The Imperial uniforms. The Dam Busters dialogue. The cutting of war footage into the temp version without finished special effects. The literal stormtroopers. Why the hell is he trying to say now it was always a USA in Vietnam analogue?
Honestly, it makes little difference. Star Wars in the prequel era was just as bad or good as it is now. Lucas destroyed his own creation long before Disney came along with the suppression of the theatrical cuts and retconning the story with the prequels and with Jar Jar’s ridiculous existence and Lucas’ haphazard film making.
Fair. Nobody who saw Red Tails and Strange Magic was calling him a visionary. It’s just that people love to think about how great things that they don’t have could have been.
Framed, the movie guessing game, has failed us.
RIP to a screen legend. Hope nothing ghoulish is done with his recordings as Vader after this…
Wait a second… I just remembered I’ve only seen the edit where Reva just dies.
What’s your opinion? Do you think the prequels are better than Kenobi?
Both were dumb in different ways and failed as prequels by adding nothing of value to the story. I guess edited down Kenobi is just one kinda boring movie rather than three mostly annoying ones.
Wait a second… I just remembered I’ve only seen the edit where Reva just dies.
Interesting, what I saw of the remake of Shogun had those standard ugly Disney Plus subtitles, wonder if the FX version was different.
They just need to pick the ideas and elements that worked before and expand them. For example the best episode of the Mandalorian was the Wages of Fear/Sorcerer fuel transport depot story. A tight action set piece followed by a decent character moment. Instead of muddying the waters with yet more Jedi nonsense and failed attempts to add nuance or new dimensions to the Force, just start with classic movie homage. They did the Dam Busters, so they can do Battle of Britain. Or Cross of Iron. Or Kelly’s Heroes. Or anything. Star Wars itself was always a ‘steal from the best’ situation after all.
lol every time they do this they remake Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven again or they claim they’re doing “Rashomon.” Even in Star Wars Visions, one of the episodes was remaking The Hidden Fortress even though that’s already the original movie.
Yeah but maybe they can do it and make a decent story too? Actually watching real films and having a passion for them is what brings out the best storytellers after all. Though the handful of minutes in SW that resemble Kurosawa are pretty few and far between, it’s hardly a Fistful of Dollars.
They just need to pick the ideas and elements that worked before and expand them. For example the best episode of the Mandalorian was the Wages of Fear/Sorcerer fuel transport depot story. A tight action set piece followed by a decent character moment. Instead of muddying the waters with yet more Jedi nonsense and failed attempts to add nuance or new dimensions to the Force, just start with classic movie homage. They did the Dam Busters, so they can do Battle of Britain. Or Cross of Iron. Or Kelly’s Heroes. Or anything. Star Wars itself was always a ‘steal from the best’ situation after all.
Looks like a deep sale situation to me
Wrong thread.
“The finger thing means the taxes!”
I get that the whole plot is simply a way for Palpatine to move from Senator to Chancellor or whatever the ranks were, but I was never clear on what the overall scheme was. Back in the day someone gave me a bootleg of the film on video because you had to wait a long time to see a movie again (remember that?) and that must have been when I first thought about it. After the WOW of the spectacle, pod races, etc, was gone I couldn’t summarise it.
The irony is that in the sequel trilogy a serious flaw is that way it’s all so small. There are no space politics, no big picture ideas. In SW you don’t need to understand because they just talk about an evil empire, and that’s a straightforward concept. But having both governments and resistance forces? What? Anything that the franchise does next needs to strike a proper balance on this.