Mocata

I watched Rogue One too. Still tepid as ever. Still strangely edited with odd tonal shifts and bland characters. The idea that one piece of media improves another just isn’t the case in my experience. I think it’s a Gareth Edwards problem, since despite the input of other writers and studio interference it feels a lot like his Godzilla and The Creator. Nice to look at but damn they are lacking charisma. Jyn’s response to seeing the hologram is where I knew there was a problem; this and the other “emotive beats” are just them going through the motions rather than having real feeling. Oh well, I gave it an honest chance.

As always they need to be able to sift out all the tiny bits of gold from the last 10 years, understand why it works, understand why a lot of it doesn’t, then move forward. Anything can be good as proven by Andor; a project I had no faith it. Anything can be bad as proven by top branding icons like Obi-wan and Boba Fett. Can they achieve this? Probably not.

Yeah the Saw fuel heist thing went nowhere, beyond filling in his change in personality from prequel era to Rogue One. I thought the stolen gas would appear later somewhere.

Bix ending was fine though she could have been used more earlier, however the PTSD and drug use was obviously no go, removing herself from the equation makes some sense. Not sure about being on that same farm planet was a good idea though.

Lonni and the other guy plot was just there to lead into Bix being taken on the revenge mission; he used the guy to get info for Luthen. Somehow he never got caught afterwards and the ISB didn’t think it was suspicious.

slow clap

Now, where’s the Jyn and Saw prequel series?

Yeah the cancelled re-release of their earlier games I remember, never heard of this one. Which is odd when these kinds of SW starfighter games were being made by other studios at the time, so there was a market.

A prototype of an unreleased game called Star Wars: Dark Squadron has been found.
Dated June 30th 2004, it was being developed by Factor 5 for Xbox.

https://x.com/Daily_SWGames/status/1922034295775879380

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONASGbSBdmU

LOL whatever you say.

Hm I hope so, but at this stage I’m still not a Rogue One fan. Mostly because it centers around Jyn who’s still a nothing character.

timdiggerm said:

I don’t understand; how is it “missing” if they rewrote the episodes after they realized that episode had to be cut?

But it would have made far more sense if the droid followed them onto a ship because it was relentless, rather than the re-write where it was just randomly picked off the ground during a massacre.

This perfectly explains my nitpick; missing sequences.

Gilroy On Scrapped “Andor” Horror Episode

https://www.darkhorizons.com/gilroy-on-scrapped-andor-horror-episode/

The Disney metal reflections thing looks like a bootleg even before the actual words STAR WARS appear in that stupid knock-off t-shirt style font.

I feel like any text at the start of the story should the same blue on black. The way Solo did it. This way even without the big numbered movie style crawl there would be some consistency. Like, why did Ashoka use red text for no reason and some others just never bothered.

The different remixes of main theme were all quite good.

Wait what. No actually I do not remember this hah wow.

Well I get that line of thinking but the circumstances were super high stress and threat of death was high, so like I said that will be my nitpick.

Matt.F said:

Mocata said:

Not sold on the “oh wait we gotta bring this horrific thing along with us so it’s in RO” part, but that’s just me, could have been more natural. There’s my nitpick.

At the start of Season One, we’re told that Cassian’s modus operandi is stealing Imperial Tech - the plot ramps up because he has stolen an ‘Imperial Starpath Unit’.

This episode he’s just about to get on his ship out of Ghorman and there’s a KX Droid just waiting to be stolen, he needs a hand lifting it but an opportunist like Andor has got to take it!

I dunno he hasn’t done much like that on screen and a lot of years passed. A line about what use the nightmare murderbot serves would have been nice.

Disagree.

I hope she’s irredeemable and gets worse because she doesn’t want to feel those kinds of emotions.

Oh yeah there are plenty of timeless classics and all time faves that have wide appeal. But when it comes to say The Wizard of Oz it’s the opposite for me. Like I didn’t care for it before, but today I’d say that’s a great movie. I’d like to say this was the case for the prequels, but nope.

But by that same logic a children’s film that someone loved as a kid will always be loved by them. Conversely they will never be able to really like a film made before they were born. Which is of course never really true in both cases. Nostalgia only takes me so far before all that nails-on-chalk-board writing and acting. Like I said before some people grow out of stuff but others don’t seem to. That’s just the mystery of personal tastes though I suppose, just look at how infantile most of the biggest box office hits are, in any period of history.

It depends when the “shoot everything on a green screen” era came into being. Because in a way we could thank AOTC for so many terrible looking movies, and the entire current trend of “who cares we can fix it in post”.

Well what can you say, it was great. Especially that one Dedra scene, as I remembered the trailers, and suddenly thought they might use the gas on her from part 6 during the revenge plot. This was way more interesting.

Not sold on the “oh wait we gotta bring this horrific thing along with us so it’s in RO” part, but that’s just me, could have been more natural. There’s my nitpick.

True, however, I think that quote is simply being used as a bullet point heading. In 1977 Vader was not Anakin so the problem is a post ESB one. Obi-wan isn’t shocked to see his friend on the Death Star because his old pupil was always just Darth Vader. Once he’s changed to be Luke’s father in 1980 there are more gaps to fill. Obviously there have been further retcons since and they meet in a TV series.

JadedSkywalker said:

To me the prequel he promised in his original outline and in the OT is what I wanted.

Not the prequel as made.

But I’m not going to argue with kids who grew up on these as being valid as their Star Wars.

Yeah but everyone is two decades years older they need to mature and develop critical faculties by now. I just saw a video showcasing all the merch madness with Yoda drinking Pepsi or whatever, I mean yeah it’s funny in an excessive way, and it’s fun to look back, but that was long ago. Eventually you have a house clear-out and wonder what half this stuff was about, and it goes in a black bag. I watched ROTS today and it will be the last time, just to put a cap on the weekend, so whatever charm this held back then for me is gone, it’s mostly nonsensical noise.

Critical flaws in the script can’t be edited in post though. Like I said, I gave them a fair chance and that’s just the reality, same as it ever was. If I can get on board with the plot of a kids show when characters have stupid names like “Savage Opress” then the problem is these movies themselves, not the broad strokes of the prequel era. Or some nebulous idea that everyone is “biased” against “misunderstood” films.

There’s been a lot of talk for many years now about how the prequels are looked at more fondly thanks to nostalgia. Or how they’re better if you’ve seen things the animated shows. Now battle droids show up in the latest big video-game and characters un-ironically say ‘wizard’ or whatever.

So I’m sitting here spending several hours watching the first two prequels. I guess in my mind it wasn’t fair to trust my memory or only watch ROTS which has just been re-released. Problem is they are bad movies. Not the worst ever but not close to the mediocrity of say TFA. Which means my memory was fine and it makes no difference that I’ve watched most of the Clone Wars and other bits and pieces; them being decent isn’t retroactively changing anything.

Huge parts of the story still make zero sense (the Naboo trade dispute, the mystery of the clone army, the weird creepy romance). The one that’s still the most infuriating is that Obi-wan sees both the clones and the droid plant in the space of like a day, and doesn’t immediately see the conspiracy to create a war. Neither do the Jedi council, they’re all braindead.

A lot of the films also look bad, though AOTC in particular is really ugly. Things like the digital backdrops and characters like Zam and Jango when they become CGI were always lame but have aged badly. It’s like they had that Jurassic Park tech and barely improved on it, then stretched it by having vfx in every scene. John Williams does so much heavy lifting but at the same time outside the pod race everything is pretty tedious. Even the duel of the fates does nothing for me. I’m pretty sure I last saw ROTS in like 2008 on DVD (and maybe these others) but I’m not sure I can be bothered with it now.

Is the device Saw wants them to use purposely over-complicated or is there some reason I missed, like what are the configurations for?

Yeah they did a SW spoof I remember clearly.