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#1242161
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Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars
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I always thought Space Opera was just the scale of the stakes, the amount of melodrama, the amount of swashbuckling romantic adventure stuff included. The more it has the more operatic, i.e Death Stars and Galactic Empires. However Science Fiction can be all of these things while still being full of real ideas about people, culture, technology, warnings about the future, the decline of society or the impact of higher learning. i.e. Not Star Wars. In fact SW is more of a fairy tale than anything else. There are obvious disconnects between the content in SW and the content in Blade Runner, Star Trek or Planet of the Apes.

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#1241997
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Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars
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SW doesn’t present a situation in which technology truly impacts anyone’s lives. Death Star withstanding of course. But in most other situations it simply exists. This isn’t some kind of High-Tech/Low-Life cyberpunk universe where everyone who isn’t in touch with their spiritual side suffers in a dystopia. It’s just dressing to disguise the space wizards core of the story.

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#1241748
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Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars
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Core story A: Hero’s Journey, Old Sage, Damsel in Distress, yada yada
Genre Flavour B: Outlaws and Killers of the Wild West, Escape from the Fortress of Ultimate Darkness, The Dam Busters
Other ingredients C: A Touch of Zen, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Kurosawa Bits and Pieces
Absent Entirely D: The mathematics of space travel, the future of the human race, gravity centrifuges and oxygen supplies, AKA science-fiction.

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#1240477
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Star Wars as a cohesive universe/canon.
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DrDre said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

The problem of this divisive approach is that it has resulted in two trilogies that have left a bad taste in a large subsection of the fanbase. It seems with each trilogy the fanbase is shattered further rather than united under one unifying vision that is satisfying to OT, PT, and ST fans alike, whilst bringing new fans into the fold. While I’m not a fan of the ST, I’m actually more concerned with LFM’s inability to create such a vision, and not to greatly piss off some significant portion of the fanbase. The disdain expressed by the different subsections of the fanbase towards each other seen in articles, on youtube, and in this thread, whether it be OT fans, PT fans, or ST fans is a testament to that failure.

Sure some people don’t like what was done so far in the new trilogy. But to say that these films are the problem and not the prequels seems more than a little odd. Even if you don’t enjoy them they at least try and fit the “SW Feel”. Disney is all about brand integrity after all. The PT instead is like a weird boring slog where everyone is playing a creepy monotone zombie in front of a bad green screen. The only thing those fit with tonally is the Luke/Leia Luke/Ben scenes from act three of ROTJ where George was clearly pulling the strings. The exact things every hates about ROTJ but magnified into a whole new trilogy.

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#1240404
Topic
Star Wars as a cohesive universe/canon.
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ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

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#1237760
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Where should Lucasfilm go after Episode IX?
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Yeah, but I was referring to the episodic films.

Well numbered content gives a sense of old and new, so I doubt they’ll want to do that much longer. In a mega-franchise like this things need to have real longevity. The moniker of “Episode…XYZ” has already been slowly phased out for the marketing. TFA and TLJ are widely know by their actual titles now.

Handman said:

Mocata said:

Their movie and TV plans for at least 6 more years are all laid out.

How do you figure?

Say a couple for Resistance, a couple between Game of Thrones guys and Favreau, and in the background there’s time for the trilogy that Rian Johnson recently said he’s still currently writing. The Star Wars Story ideas are shelved right now of course, otherwise it would be 8-10 years.