Mocata

Maybe I’m off the mark here but wasn’t the entire crux of “why the original Star Wars doesn’t exist” based on the feelings of one man? But now nobody should care? Pretty wild to suggest it’s not important given the history of these films until a few month ago, and the history of this site. But whatever, the vibes here really suck recently considering there’s a bunch of positive news for once. Later.

Oh I’ve never given them a dime since then, I suppose after the EA sale a slow death was inevitable in some ways. Recently some of the other writers have revealed they’re working on something called “Exodus” which looks more promising than just another SW product (though it’s not that original). But in reality the days of classic Bioware teams being together are long gone and their writing skills have likely faded by now anyway. It could all be great of course, but you can never tell.

Dagenspear said:

oojason said:

Aye, like Broom Kid’s post above - that is pretty much spot on for me, mate.

And like that, it doesn’t address what the problem is with it or what makes it poor.

Yeah, 100%. Along with the infamous lie and woeful attempt at re-writing history / time-travel from Lucas himself - an inane and bizarre attempt to give his then-new midichlorians idea some credibility (for want of a better word)… it certainly didn’t come from when Lucas attempted to claimed it to be - so ‘nowhere’ fits quite aptly.
 

How is it problematic, based on EU material doing something else? All of Star Wars is made up, just like the eu stuff about them having families was made up. Why is this a problem with these things or when they were developed?

The question of “when” is paramount when we’re dealing with real film history versus a bunch of phoney “my original vision” claims that keep changing.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

aileron said:

Does anyone else here know which interview I’m remembering where GL says “the original film/negative/interpositive” was cut up for 97ANH? And the the “original” no longer exists. I’m pretty sure he made it clear but he may have been referring to existing media of that time degrading.

He re-cut the negative, yes. But the trims were saved, not tossed in the trash.

So, he was being honest, on a technicality, that the original negative didn’t exist. But all of its components still existed, just in pieces.

Yes technically their own negative was changed. But in any real sense there’s not “one original reel” since they exist all over the world and have been restored by fans and the BFI etc. Again it’s all somewhere in the big “revisionist” thread pinned above here.

If anyone’s getting angry they should take a break, seems like a self-correcting problem.

I don’t see any angst, we just have small amount limited information and a large amount if inaction by LFL until now. Disney have been very lax about the massive amount of bootlegs and fan edits. Why would they not shut down those efforts before now and turn a profit? Since they chose not to assumptions will be made and cryptic quotes aren’t helping.

I don’t think Rey becoming the best ever Jedi who wields both dark and light-side powers would have gone down well with people. I also disagree that having both serves some kind of balance. “Once you start down the dark path” etc.

aileron said:

Doctor M said:

I can’t prove it, but I swore I read when George Lucas sold his company to Disney, not releasing the original cuts was a condition.
Maybe that’s true, but there was an expiration on it. Dunno.

I’m not sure that that makes sense, because i have read in multiple places that George said (paraphrased) “the film no longer exists in its original form and that the negatives had been altered beyond restoration.”

That’s the “official” story but we have a long running thread about those kind of half-truths and bits of misinformation pinned above right here. Now the story has changed for the 50th Anniversary release, aka The Search for More Money.

Here’s the quote I mentioned before (KK “oh those are George’s” soundbite is easier to find) which also condradicts any notion they were “destroyed” or “erased” by 1997 changes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171215015121/https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/941435428200001536

Pablo Hidalgo: Good morning! What’s kept the original theatrical editions off of home video is the same thing that’s always been doing that. It’s not a studio thing.
Q: Well why leave us hanging here Captain Pablo? WHAT is the grand reason that’s keeping the Theatrical Versions off Home Video? Please enlighten.
Pablo Hidalgo: There is one notable person who doesn’t want them released.

Well it’s former Bioware lead Casey Hudson, there is some hope, maybe (just don’t think about Mass Effect 3).

He’s just claimed that 2030 release date is not true… but going by development times this days I actually find 4 years to be realistic.

https://x.com/CaseyDHudson/status/1999652683972489385

Don’t worry about the “not till 2030” rumors. Game will be out before then. I’m not getting any younger!

Doctor M said:

I can’t prove it, but I swore I read when George Lucas sold his company to Disney, not releasing the original cuts was a condition.
Maybe that’s true, but there was an expiration on it. Dunno.

It stems from people at LFL being cagey about it for so long. Kennedy, Hidalgo, made weird comments when asked after the Disney sale so people naturally assumed they’d got a contractual reason behind the scenes. Unless this has recently changed or they were just saying this for personal rather than legal reasons to stay friends with George.

Well yeah especially considering the time spent on a KOTOR remake seems to be going on forever.

timemeddler said:

Roobyoo said:

A miserable box art would be the least problem. I’m going to buy a box set twice anyway, one sealed, one to watch - and those discs would just be replaced from the official box to a custom made box.

I’d be more concerned about stuff like dnr, and pink lightsabers than that.

Of all the things that arrived in 2004 I think I hated that pink saber the most, for what it represented. Suck a simple quality fuck up they chose to ignore.

Some new games!*

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-fate-of-the-old-republic-trailer

https://www.starwars.com/games-apps/star-wars-galactic-racer

*what’s old is new again

Nice. They even go against brand and talk about how it was renamed. But again “a once in a generation event” for no reason? It better not be put in the Disney vault afterwards.

Vader calls Obi-wan his old master (and Tarkin replies surely he must be dead by now) so I assume so. Makes no sense in terms of time scale or prequel stuff but yeah. Unless Tarkin is thinking of another pupil of Obi-wan (aka Vader isn’t Anakin in 1977). Presumably there’s a bunch of new or PT era EU material around.

timmaaaah said:

To me, it is very important. Honestly, besides the changes in Jabba’s palace, I support all of the changes, particularly the end. I like how the shoddy superimposition is cleaned up too.
For ESB the only change I really don’t like is the stuff with the Wampa.

Really if I could I’d make my own cut but for all the times I have visited this site and been a member, I still don’t know how to get my hands on a single damn thing and it’s so friggin obtuse that it blows me away. It’s so frustrating. I end up just giving up after a time. It’s been years of coming back here with people insisting that these cuts exist and I always come up empty handed.

It’s not that obtuse you just need to find the googledocs guide that’s on here.

Yeah I must have missed that scoop…

Oh I always have time for ROTJ but it’s a non-specific comment that I find unconvincing from the director of Deadpool 3… but time will tell as ever. I hope my lack of enthusiasm is met by a perfectly adequate adventure movie.

JadedSkywalker said:

The tone of Return of the Jedi was all over the place though. People would know, if you said I want to style it like Star Wars 1977. Or TESB.

This and recent news of there being changes to the ending already don’t inspire much confidence. Even we just presume it’s shorthand for “fun” then it’s unclear how silly they’re thinking of being; Jabba sail barge escape level shenanigans, or teddy bears and Tarzan screams?

RM4747 said:

That guy with no name said:

Secondly, the color is unbelievably accurate. Dr Dre himself has proclaimed them the best he’d ever seen and is even basing his next 4K77 color grade on them.

If we assume this is getting a theatrical and home media release in 2027, wouldn’t that make 4K77/80/83 pretty much irrelevant? I’m surprised they’d continue to work on them.

If we assume it’s released and is real, and if there’s no sort of issue that screws up the experience or makes it all a waste of time. So far these are big ifs… don’t count your mynocks before they hatch.

That guy with no name said:

Mocata said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.

What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.

I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.

He just really loves magenta.

Which is odd, considering he oversaw and approved the gorgeous 1997 SE color grade lol…

It was only working with Lowry that he was able to realise his original vision.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.

What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.

I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.

He just really loves magenta.

If there are still loose ends after the upcoming Mando movie and Ahsoka S2 I think it’s safe to assume they’re wasting our time.

I honestly can’t remember what his movie is now, and really it doesn’t matter unless pics of a stage or location being built arrive.

I’d have to assume so too, but it’s an odd thing to suggest. There is no multiverse timeline stuff with SW… well not yet anyway.