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#250967
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SUPERMAN RETURNS REVIEW
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
So evidently, there will be no SR sequel?


I hope not.


You hope that there will be or won't be?


I hope there will NOT be a sequel to the lifeless, heartless piece of junk that was Superman Returns.


Didn't like it, huh? May I ask why?
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#250955
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: Jumpman
High quality. That's the difference. No Star Wars fan of the Original Trilogy should ever say they can't watch their version of the films....
You were just saying that we had to respect his decisions.


I do. I just want a high quality OOT to watch on DVD, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, and whatever other formats come along. I just want the choice. That's all. I don't agree with his decisions, but I respect them.

You and I can easily agree to disagree. I just want a good OOT DVD release. That's all. That's it. Fair enough?
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#250951
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
Mike,

High quality. That's the difference. No Star Wars fan of the Original Trilogy should ever say they can't watch their version of the films....


I can only watch my version of the films in a substandard transfer, that's the difference. When I get a high-quality release of the originals, then I'll watch them, Lucas will watch the SEs, and everybody will be happy. The problem is that Lucas doesn't want that to happen. I respect him. I just want him to respect me.
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#250948
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
Mike,

Alot of their "original" work still exists in the special editions. As for Kersh, he knew what he was getting into when he directed Episode V.

And Lucas did produce (executive considering it's his money they're using) and write Episode V. Episode V doesn't work without Lucas'
draft after Leigh Brackett died.


A lot of it doesn't too. I just want my own release to watch, that's all. Why is that when fans want to see the original, we are denying Lucas his vision? He can have it. I just want the originals to watch, that's all. In high quality.

It seems that we must agree to disagree.
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#250946
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
Mike,

So essentially, you're saying that because so many people contributed to Star Wars, that Lucas, being the creator and owner of it all...the man who envisioned everything, he has to accomodate them before himself? That's what you're really say. Their contributions far outweigh Lucas'....

No, I'm saying that without their contributions, the films would not exist at all, and that saying that their work doesn't exist anymore to accomadate what he wants is insulting. How about this: a DVD release with both. This is what it was, this is what I want it to be. Many, many people prefer the OOT. Lucas knows that if he gives them the choice, they will watch that instead. So he doesn't. To say nothing of the fact that Lucas didn't produce, write, or direct ESB. Or that none of the sequels or prequels would even exist without the money the fans who prefer the OOT have given him over the years.

I want a good OOT release to watch myself. Beyond that, I don't care.

But, I don't think Lucas is going to lose sleep if he loses some fans over his decisions.


Many, many fans. He doesn't care about anyone or anyhting except making the films fit what he wants them to be. Which is fine, except I don't have the choice to watch them the way that I want.
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#250944
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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Again, Lucas is accomodated himself. Who are we to say what he can change and what he can't change? It's his films.

I'm sure that Marquand, Kurtz, Kersherner, and the thousands of people who worked on the films would love to hear that.

He owns everything Star Wars.


I doubt that that thrill other people who worked on it.

I saw Jedi in '83. Having Hayden at the end didn't insult me. It made sense to me, after having seen the Prequels. And that's what this is really, truly about. It's about Lucas completing it as a Saga with the "inferior" Prequels than letting the Original Trilogy stand on it's own....


OK. I want a good OOT DVD release to watch for myself. That's all. Lucas can do whatever he wants to "his" films.
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#250936
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What do you think of the <strong>Prequel Trilogy</strong>? a general discussion thread
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And personally, the market for the theatrical versions is a niche market anyway.

Recent sales seem to indicate otherwise.

Still, his movies, his way, and will always be his way when he's no longer with us, will be Original Trilogy in its Special Edition form, in the future and forever. There's no way of getting around that any longer.

True, but the two are view very separately.

PEOPLE PREFER IT, there just isn't millions of idiots like me who post on a SW board everyday, and that is the difference.

Not everyone, perhaps, but a substantial enough number to make Lucas see a considerable market.

Every friend I know bought this release in Sept, and they also bought the 2004 release too thinking that was the only version that was ever going to be released, but now they prefer to watch inferior quality of the O-OT over superior quality of the SE, so that may tell you about that niche audience may be bigger then you think.


Big enough to make Lucas money at any rate, which is the crux of the issue.

Let me ask you a question. If Lucas never came out with the Limited Editions and remained firm in his decision never to release the theatrical versions, could you live with the Special Editions as the only version of the Original Trilogy on DVD and future formats?


I couldn't. Until I see a proper OOT DVD release, I'm done with SW and LFL. There are other products more deserving of my money if I can't get what I wanted. The question you are asking is whether or not, 100 years, people would still care about SW if the SEs only existed. I don't think so, but none of us will be aroung long enough to tell.

That said, some of the things they did in the 2004 DVD are not quite as good to me, such as the lack of musical fanfare when Luke goes into the trench on the Death Star


Yes, well, that was a foul up that Lucasfilm just don't want to admit to. I seriously doubt that that was a change that he intended.
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#250934
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Elfman's a great composer. Too bad he can't return. And John Dykstra left to work on the Hot Wheels movie. Look it up on IMDb. It's half funny, half sad that he left this to do "Hot Wheels."

He left Spider-Man 3 for a movie about Hot Wheels? That's really disheartening.

I'd imagine he was offered more money. Stockdyke is a talented fellow, so maybe he can rectify some the rather obvious mistakes that the previous installments made.

Elfman left because he felt Raimi was too attached to the temp track on Spider-Man 2. Nothing more.

I see that the stories we have heard vastly differ . That's Hollywood for you. Well, who knows? Maybe Young and Stockdyke will make things even better on this release.

P.S. How did Young bet both Charlotte's Web and Hellraiser I and II on his resume? Talk about wildly different styles!

Bringing in Venom and Sandman just seems desperate, and hiring Topher "That 70s Show" Grace as Venom does not sit well with me.


Sandman, yes. Venom, however, come attached to the alien costume, which everyone is of course a key plot point in this installment.

Doesn't the film have a 300 million dollar budget?


I am a college student who works as a cashier. I can't imagine that amount of money existing.

In 3, it looks like there will still be a shitload of romance drama taking over the action, which really, really sucks.


As long as the romance and drama is good, that won't be a problem. Now, if the romance and drama suck, then there will be av very, very big problem.

Also, Raimi went back for reshoots when test audeinces said the film was lacking in the action department. Uh oh....that's not a good sign.


Indeed it is not.
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#250932
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Mike O
Given that about 75,000 people signed the petition, perhaps Jay could enlist their support and we could all agree on a specific day to send e-mails. Given the influx of new members, if these addresses all receve 75,000+ e-mails on the same topic on same day, it'd be hard for them to ignore. Just a suggestion.

That's a fantastic idea- Jay has the email addresses for everyone who signed the petition, maybe he could send out an email to everyone on the list and ask them to help out.


This seems like a logical step! Can this be done? I don't want our side of this stupid situation to come out sounding like we're just a bunch of whiners when other lesser movies get the honor of anamorphic transfers from high quality sources. I mean, for heaven's sake! Star Wars is on the Academy's "100 Most Important Films" list, isn't it?


Can someone ask Jay?
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#250782
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
Let us not forget his battle with Elfman.


He's fighting with Elfman? When did this start?


I don't know, on the set apparently. They got into a huge shouting match and had to be pulled apart, and now Christopher Young is doing the music. John Dykstra also left and left VFX to his protege Scott Stockdyke (who worked on the previous two films), although I imagine he just wanted to work on another project for SPI.


That sucks.


Indeed. I'm quite fond of Elfman.
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#250719
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
Let us not forget his battle with Elfman.


He's fighting with Elfman? When did this start?


I don't know, on the set apparently. They got into a huge shouting match and had to be pulled apart, and now Christopher Young is doing the music. John Dykstra also left and left VFX to his protege Scott Stockdyke (who worked on the previous two films), although I imagine he just wanted to work on another project for SPI.
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#250646
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&quot;..secret to the future is quantity,&quot; Lucas said
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I don't know MikeO, I have Lucas saying it would cost millions, and you saying it wouldn't. How would we know how much it would cost to restore one of Lucas's well worn prints? Maybe they are so far gone that it would take the kind of power he used on the 2004 SE cleanup process. That did cost millions of dollars.

Lucas wouldn't have to use one of his well worn prints, there are some around, and in any case, it would be a worth it standpoint from a business standpoint because of the people who would buy it, as well as the respect it would show. What he should do is restore the original, transfer it, make a copy, and then add the SE stuff to make everybody happy. The point is that he won't do it, not that he can't. Lucasfilm have the money to burn. That's not that much to them, and the 2004 DVD were very poorly restored in places, IMO. This isn't about money. It's about what Lucas wants.

See, the problem is that none of us know what is in the Lucasfilm archives. The LD master seems like an attempt to do the least amount of work and spend the least amount of money possible to release a product for which there is a great deal more demand.

And he's not insulting the fans, he says flat out that they think outside of the box and are very creative. He seems to respect that.

Yes, but his answer is "oh well." He just wants people to say "oh, okay," to the changes. If he really did care, he'd respect both versions and solve the problem. He's basically saying "They're enititled to think whatever they want, but if they don't like it, that just too *&^% bad, because I say it should be a certain way, and what I say goes." Lucas is saying that he respects what people thingk, he just doesn't care, just that he respects them for thinking it. Here's what it comes down to: both versions. Everybody's happy. Lucas won't allow it. He's basically saying that they don't matter at all. "Yeah, the fans have an opinion. That's nice. I know that they're the reason I'm a billionare and all, but you know what? I don't care. I want it a certain way and anybody who disagrees with me is wrong. They're independent and think outside the box, which means that they disagree with me, so it want it stop."

If the SEs are so much better, why doesn't Lucas put his money where his mouth is and release both versions and allow us to see for ourselves? The answer is simple: many, many people prefer the originals and think that they are better. Lucas want to ensure that no one can see them and ergo no one can prefer them.

As far as the other people who worked on it for Lucas, Lucas paid them for those contributions.


So that means that they have no say? I'm not disputing his authority, but if what he is saying is true then he shouldn't be able to touch ESB or ROTJ becasue he didn't direct them. What's wrong is that he is completely overwriting their work and saying that it no longer exists because it doesn't represet what he wanted. It's not all about him. Not to say that the film isn't primarily his, because it is, but without the contirubtions of those dedicated individuals, it would be nothing, and by saying that their work no longer exists because he doesn't like, he is insulting them.

I think if the original creators of the Flash Gordon serials were around to say "I really wish I could have done this on color" then I think Lucas would be all for it. To him it's about artist's rights.


Really? There used to be a quote on this website of Lucas saying that he wanted to speak out against the colorization of black and white films. If the creators tried to attempt to burn every copy of the original negatives, painted over every frame with CG, and colorized it, I bet Lucas would want to save it. Lets see how much he would like someone trying to ruin his childhood.

I respect Lucas, I just want to agree to disagree, and with the OOT, I can't. I respect his opinion, I just want him to respect mine.

Again, I apologize about before. My action were uncalled for. Sorry.

See, here is where there is the ultimate problem. I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION ADVOCATING BOOTLEGS. I DO NOT OWN ANY, NOR WILL I EVER, AND I ENCOURAGE NO ONE TO PURCHASE THEM FOR ANY REASON. That being said, the reason that this version is being bootlegged is because Lucas will not let people buy it. If it doesn't exist, then Lucas can't have this both ways. It may not exist to him, but I don't think that he grasps the incredible meaning that it has to so many people. And I think the battle will rage and worsen now, until Lucas gives up proper release of the OOT, which we know he of course will eventually. But I think that he created this problem, and is blaming the fans by saying that they won't accept his vision. But I guess time will tell what will happen.
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#250569
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Calling all HALLOWEEN fans...
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
I didnt like Xtro, I have it on DVD and thought it was pretty crappy, the only redeeming factors for me in the film is the gorey bits of which there are a few and Maryam D' Abo (of The Living Daylights) other than that I hated it and think it is one of worst Horror films ive seen. There are plenty of Horror films being shown on satelite TV here all the time now because of Halloween coming up, I watched Exorcist 3 last night though it isnt really gorey it is a really good and IMO underated Horror film.


I agree, though some of the plot points like Fr. Carras being alive bug.
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#250566
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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Originally posted by: Number20
Looking forward to Spider-Man 3, but in a way I'm getting tired of the series already. I hate the fact that they seem to have postponed the resolution of the Harry Osborne storyline. They are dragging that out too long and need to resolve it. Also not sure how Venom will work out, but I have hope that it will be good.


SM2 was following a completely different story arc, which is why they abanded the Green Goblin one. I think that there is a lot of unexplored potential for the universe, but SM2 didn't fool around for the sake of introducing more characters. It told a compete story in its confines. I think that that the Osborune part felt sort of tacked on.
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#250450
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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Originally posted by: Jay
Releasing the OOT and SEs simultaneously in two separate packages would've provided the information he seeks.

That didn't happen specifically because the OOT would've at least gone head-to-head with the SEs in terms of sales, and his fragile ego couldn't handle that.


Sales of late seem to indicate that you weren't that far off.