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#250719
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250719/action/topic#250719
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Mike O
Let us not forget his battle with Elfman.


He's fighting with Elfman? When did this start?


I don't know, on the set apparently. They got into a huge shouting match and had to be pulled apart, and now Christopher Young is doing the music. John Dykstra also left and left VFX to his protege Scott Stockdyke (who worked on the previous two films), although I imagine he just wanted to work on another project for SPI.
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#250646
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"..secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250646/action/topic#250646
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I don't know MikeO, I have Lucas saying it would cost millions, and you saying it wouldn't. How would we know how much it would cost to restore one of Lucas's well worn prints? Maybe they are so far gone that it would take the kind of power he used on the 2004 SE cleanup process. That did cost millions of dollars.

Lucas wouldn't have to use one of his well worn prints, there are some around, and in any case, it would be a worth it standpoint from a business standpoint because of the people who would buy it, as well as the respect it would show. What he should do is restore the original, transfer it, make a copy, and then add the SE stuff to make everybody happy. The point is that he won't do it, not that he can't. Lucasfilm have the money to burn. That's not that much to them, and the 2004 DVD were very poorly restored in places, IMO. This isn't about money. It's about what Lucas wants.

See, the problem is that none of us know what is in the Lucasfilm archives. The LD master seems like an attempt to do the least amount of work and spend the least amount of money possible to release a product for which there is a great deal more demand.

And he's not insulting the fans, he says flat out that they think outside of the box and are very creative. He seems to respect that.

Yes, but his answer is "oh well." He just wants people to say "oh, okay," to the changes. If he really did care, he'd respect both versions and solve the problem. He's basically saying "They're enititled to think whatever they want, but if they don't like it, that just too *&^% bad, because I say it should be a certain way, and what I say goes." Lucas is saying that he respects what people thingk, he just doesn't care, just that he respects them for thinking it. Here's what it comes down to: both versions. Everybody's happy. Lucas won't allow it. He's basically saying that they don't matter at all. "Yeah, the fans have an opinion. That's nice. I know that they're the reason I'm a billionare and all, but you know what? I don't care. I want it a certain way and anybody who disagrees with me is wrong. They're independent and think outside the box, which means that they disagree with me, so it want it stop."

If the SEs are so much better, why doesn't Lucas put his money where his mouth is and release both versions and allow us to see for ourselves? The answer is simple: many, many people prefer the originals and think that they are better. Lucas want to ensure that no one can see them and ergo no one can prefer them.

As far as the other people who worked on it for Lucas, Lucas paid them for those contributions.


So that means that they have no say? I'm not disputing his authority, but if what he is saying is true then he shouldn't be able to touch ESB or ROTJ becasue he didn't direct them. What's wrong is that he is completely overwriting their work and saying that it no longer exists because it doesn't represet what he wanted. It's not all about him. Not to say that the film isn't primarily his, because it is, but without the contirubtions of those dedicated individuals, it would be nothing, and by saying that their work no longer exists because he doesn't like, he is insulting them.

I think if the original creators of the Flash Gordon serials were around to say "I really wish I could have done this on color" then I think Lucas would be all for it. To him it's about artist's rights.


Really? There used to be a quote on this website of Lucas saying that he wanted to speak out against the colorization of black and white films. If the creators tried to attempt to burn every copy of the original negatives, painted over every frame with CG, and colorized it, I bet Lucas would want to save it. Lets see how much he would like someone trying to ruin his childhood.

I respect Lucas, I just want to agree to disagree, and with the OOT, I can't. I respect his opinion, I just want him to respect mine.

Again, I apologize about before. My action were uncalled for. Sorry.

See, here is where there is the ultimate problem. I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION ADVOCATING BOOTLEGS. I DO NOT OWN ANY, NOR WILL I EVER, AND I ENCOURAGE NO ONE TO PURCHASE THEM FOR ANY REASON. That being said, the reason that this version is being bootlegged is because Lucas will not let people buy it. If it doesn't exist, then Lucas can't have this both ways. It may not exist to him, but I don't think that he grasps the incredible meaning that it has to so many people. And I think the battle will rage and worsen now, until Lucas gives up proper release of the OOT, which we know he of course will eventually. But I think that he created this problem, and is blaming the fans by saying that they won't accept his vision. But I guess time will tell what will happen.
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#250569
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Calling all HALLOWEEN fans...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250569/action/topic#250569
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
I didnt like Xtro, I have it on DVD and thought it was pretty crappy, the only redeeming factors for me in the film is the gorey bits of which there are a few and Maryam D' Abo (of The Living Daylights) other than that I hated it and think it is one of worst Horror films ive seen. There are plenty of Horror films being shown on satelite TV here all the time now because of Halloween coming up, I watched Exorcist 3 last night though it isnt really gorey it is a really good and IMO underated Horror film.


I agree, though some of the plot points like Fr. Carras being alive bug.
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#250566
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The Spider-Man 3 thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250566/action/topic#250566
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Originally posted by: Number20
Looking forward to Spider-Man 3, but in a way I'm getting tired of the series already. I hate the fact that they seem to have postponed the resolution of the Harry Osborne storyline. They are dragging that out too long and need to resolve it. Also not sure how Venom will work out, but I have hope that it will be good.


SM2 was following a completely different story arc, which is why they abanded the Green Goblin one. I think that there is a lot of unexplored potential for the universe, but SM2 didn't fool around for the sake of introducing more characters. It told a compete story in its confines. I think that that the Osborune part felt sort of tacked on.
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#250450
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250450/action/topic#250450
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Originally posted by: Jay
Releasing the OOT and SEs simultaneously in two separate packages would've provided the information he seeks.

That didn't happen specifically because the OOT would've at least gone head-to-head with the SEs in terms of sales, and his fragile ego couldn't handle that.


Sales of late seem to indicate that you weren't that far off.
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#250449
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Lucasfilm Exiting Movie Business?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250449/action/topic#250449
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: C3PX
When you think about it, it really is sad. For people who have seen THX and Graffiti, and even the first Star Wars (outside the context of the dead bloody corps of the beaten horse), there was a lot of potential in this guy. If he had stayed on that track we could have expected to see great things from him. Didn't he say something about going on to do his artsy, experimential films after ROTS was finally finished? I guess that is down the crapper again. Probably for the best.

Lucas has been saying he wants to do something experimental or "artsy" every since ROTJ wrapped back in 1983, and he still hasn't done anything. If Lucasfilm does exit the film business, I say good riddance to their bad rubbish.


I think that Lucas is sort of stuck in Star Wars now. That might be part of the problem, a sort of rut. As for the T.V. series, I say be careful. The light that burns twice as bright burn half as long, and if you milk the cash cow too much, it'll run dry. Obviously, Star Wars still ahs plenty of life, but I think that Lucas should be wary.

as for him donating money to usc film school that is nothing new it's his place to pick up the next generation of lucas employees, as it always has been, as well as some of the other universities where his friends went.


That a bit cynical. I'll give him the benifit of the doubt for giving money to the less fortunate. Ironically, there was a time when I'd have love to have worked for Lucasfilm.
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#250446
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"..secret to the future is quantity," Lucas said
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250446/action/topic#250446
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Originally posted by: lord3vil
Originally posted by: Seiji

Q: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

LUCAS: The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ...
I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.

Thanks for posting this, Seiji! It's interesting to see a quote of Lucas stating his opinion on this matter as openly and explicitly as this. It's my opinion that we'll probably see the OOT again at some point, since the article illustrates pretty well that Lucas will change his mind and set plans if he can be convinced that doing so will make an investment worth it, or worth more, in terms of sales. I do wonder though, what is the source of this information?

That's an older article. And Lucas states very explicitly in it that his reason for releasing the OT was a changing market and demand (people paying for bootlegs of the version they want), so there's no reason to think that he won't do it again. Remember his MTV comments: "Now we'll find out wherer people really wanted the originals or whether they wanted the improved versions. It will all come out in the end." I think that this is very much about marketing.

I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore


It wouldn't cost that much. There's got to be something else going on here. The MTV interview also makes it seem like Lucas is extremely bitter about the reaction to the SEs.

Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way.


Which is all good and well, but what about the other people who worked on the movies?

I WONDER HOW LUCAS WOULD FEEL IF SOMEONE COLORIZED HIS FAVORITE FLASH GORDON SERIALS BECAUSE OF HIS "ORIGINAL VISION."

He never liked the movies most everyone else liked.


Which may well ahve been becasue they were not entirely what he wanted. He didn't direct two and had many concessions forced upon him (evidently) for the original, and I think that he wanted the saga to be all his, as opposed to a collaboration.

Of course, I initially became angry reading that article, but I do sort of see Lucas's point. What I have a problem with is him being such a stubborn fellow about what does, and insulting his fans. Still, this release shows that things are changing, so maybe he is too.
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#250445
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2004 DVD crap-o-la
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250445/action/topic#250445
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I think the SE's, while not perfect, are heads and shoulders above and beyond the quality of the O-OT.


Which is good for you, the problem is that we can't get a high quality release of the OOT. And I'm going with Gomer here. Vader or the Emperor would easily kill the other if they could and rule in the other's place.