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#272720
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What the fuck??? : George is definitely gone "bye bye"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/272720/action/topic#272720
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Marvolo
He is just pissed and jealous, because Kershner did what he couldn't. Make a good film without slapstick in your face fart and poop jokes.

It is kind of fitting though - there's five Star Wars sequels and the one that's almost universally thought of as the best, the most serious, has the best acting, best cinematography, etc - is one that George didn't direct.


By no means am I a blind, accepting fanboy, but enough is enough.

Who the hell do you guys think thought up the stories in the first place?

Who created the characters? The ships? The planets? The tech?

George Lucas created the Millenium Fucking Falcon, and that's cool. He created TaunTauns. That's cool. He created Jabba. That's cool. Carbonite? Lucas. Pod Races (arguable the best part of EPI)? Lucas. The Clone Battle in EPII? Lucas.

It's not that I don't recognize the issues with Lucas or his filmmaking, but it's become so en vogue to bash him by saying "Well, he didn't do Empire or Jedi so he must suck." I call bullshit.

Yeah, Kersh and Marquand were great directors, and they helped forge amazing films, but their role was to interpret the scripts, block the scenes, coax the actors (who, let's face the facts, didn't win any Oscars for them) and compose the shots. They didn't make or break Star Wars. They were along for the ride. A ride that Lucas created - lock, stock, and smoking barrel.

It's the internet whining and Expanded Universe marketing that is killing Star Wars, not Lucas.

EDIT - @ Marvolo - where are the poop jokes and slapstick in Star Wars - sorry, EPIV: A New Hope?


I agree and disagree. Without Lucas, there would have been no SW period. Without everyone else, SW would have been little beyond an idea. Certainly, he deserves credit. But I think that saying that everyone else was just along for the ride severly limits their contriutions as well. Really, I think everyone deserves credit where it's due. I don't care; I just want a good OOT, release, that's all.
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#269605
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Will you buy the OOT again ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269605/action/topic#269605
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
The real kicker is going to be the explanation LFL comes up with for why the 9/12 release wasn't what it should've been. Not that films don't get double dipped all the time, but there's bad anamorphic quality and then there's laserdisc quality. It took Universal a good eight years to release an anamorphic dvd of David Lynch's "Dune," but it did happen. Yesterday I was watching Criterion's double dip of Seven Samurai which I rented from Video Americain (it turned out they were having a "rent 3, rent 1 free" thing, so my friend payed for 2 of them). I remember renting the old dvd years ago and how grainy it looked. The newer dvd is quite impressive, smooth, crystal clear. And this was made from a dupe negative!!! It really gets me excited with what would be possible for the OOT on dvd, given the proper treatment.

This is not "Conan the Destroyer" we're talking about here, it's Star Wars.


Yes, but will Lucas allow it? That's the problem.
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#269603
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"Archiving seminar reveals 'Star Wars' tidbit?" Another SE?!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269603/action/topic#269603
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That's nice.

Originally posted by: Tiptup
Really, by this point, more changes can only be a good thing. If George can change the SE version of the movies enough, then more and more people will simply stop recognizing them as the real thing. Or, at the very least, more people will begin demanding access to the theatrical versions in higher quality.

How do you figure?

Well I will still try to remain optimistic here and say that we will see a remastered version of the OUT this year; too many signs point to it as far as I am concerned.


I hope that you're right, but sadly, I doubt it.

If only you could remove the gun to your head that makes you buy this stuff!!!


I'd imagine that most people here aren't going to buy it, but that doesn't mean that no one will. Personally, I don't care anyway. I want the restored and remastered OOT. If this is related to that, then that's nice. There are other places for me to spend my money. I never said anyone was making me buy it and I am not going to buy it.
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#267963
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Pan's Labyrinth
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/267963/action/topic#267963
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A masterpiece. I love Guierrmo del Toro. One of the best directors working today. I think that, as he did in his companion film masterpiece The Devil's Backbone, he is using the war as a metaphor for the fantasy and vice versa. I think that whether or not the fantasy was actually happenining or a figment of the girl's imagination was the point of the film. It's left open to interpretation.
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#265355
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Anywhere to keep up on news, or gossip about the archival editions coming?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265355/action/topic#265355
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: CO
"It's funny when people obsess over things like that - it' unbelievable. The person they adore and worship, who made the original film in the first place, says "This is the way it was meant to be..." And then they can't cope with it. The fans are strange, but in a delightfully damaged way."
--Richard McCallum

JediRandy, about your sig.....

McCallum says 'This is the way it was meant to be.' and he has a problem with us obsessing right?

1980 ESB - Luke does NOT scream as he jumps in Cloud City

1997 ESB SE - Luke DOES scream as he jumps in Cloud City

2004 ESB DVD - Luke does NOT scream as he jumps in Cloud City

Which way was it always meant to be? The version in 1980 & 2004, or the version in 1997?


The trick is not to obsess over a scream as if that scream contains major plot points crucial to the trilogy. Maybe then you'll be able to enjoy arguably the best SW flick without turning into a whiney fanboy for what amounts to 2 seconds out of a 6+ hour trilogy.


Or simply watch whichever version you prefer. That way, everyone is happy .
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#265241
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Will you buy the OOT again ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265241/action/topic#265241
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
I still think we will see one of three things this year:

1. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set with all 6 films and extras, etc. (less likely IMO).
2. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set all by itself with the SEs, extras, etc.(more likely IMO).
3. The same OUT as the 09/12 release (.01% chance IMO).

I am saying #2 is the most likely scenario because A) Lucas will make way more $ breaking things down into two separate sets and B) he will appeal to both the PT, OUT, SE AND PT/SE/OUT markets. He has slammed the fans for decades now and he is smart enough to realize that the well has run pretty dry; to get people to buy all of these movies again, he will need to come up with something quite spectacular.

I think that it's case of having something to sell. He's sold the SEs in as many versions as he can. Same with the PT. Now for the OOT. That, along with many previously detailed bits of info, is why it would make sense for the OOT to be restored next year. But I don't want to get my hopes up, because Lucas is so illogical that nothing makes much sense anymore.


Anyone know how many actual copies the 9/12 releases have sold? Sorry to drag this on, but I really hope Lucas actually meant something by that "it'll all come out in the end" statement. If he doesn't get the picture in time for the next dvd release, he'll loose my money.


I keep hoping that that statement meant something, and it would make sense, but LFL don't do logical things like that.
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#263332
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George Lucas gonna go bankrupt?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263332/action/topic#263332
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Sales for LFL since the prequels have been pretty extraordinary, considering there is no new base product being made. Obviously to compare post-2005 and pre-2005 is just ridiculous, but with the huge success of stuff like Lego II and the OOT, i think, unofficially, the company is doing far better than expected considering that these two major wins were largely unplanned beforehand.


The OOT did well, then?

And exec producing just means that it's his money, that's all.
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#263209
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Will you buy the OOT again ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263209/action/topic#263209
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See, here's how I look at it, just like zombie84. Most people who bought the SE proably don't care which version they have. Most people who bought the OOT have what they want. What else is the to market? Of course, the most obvious thought is a remastered OOT. The other stuff which they have been sitting on may entice some people, but I doubt that it would be enough to make the set sell well. It's real simple: if Lucas really did care about his "vision," then he would have stuck to his guns and not released the OOT ever again, period. All evidence points to the "testing the waters theory," especially with his comment "Now we'll find out whether people really wanted the originals, or whether they wanted the improved versions. It will all come out in the end." I really do think that this set should have EVERYTHING, or else. I would be willing to be all of the gold in Fort Knox that LFL CAN in fact do what we want. But is Lucas's common sense and his desire to make money stronger than his ego? I just don't know. I would give anything in the world for y'all to be right. But it just seems to good to be true, and really, who knows what Lucasfilm will do anymore. I guess we can just hope and pray right now. You guys are all right. Lets just hope Lucasfilm realize it. Who knows anymore? Please God.

As for thought of it happening after Lucas passes away? Well, if that's the case, then I'd rather not get them. I mean seriously, I'd give almost anything in the world for these DVDs, but does a human being have to die just for me to get some discs? No thanks.
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#263124
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Will you buy the OOT again ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263124/action/topic#263124
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Originally posted by: grifter
We are almost five months to the 30th anniversary and still no news about the "saga" boxset, I have a bad feeling about this...

They are not going to announce it until probably february at least, so as not to dissuade the christmas/boxingday/new-years sales. Otherwise all those PT/OT/OOT disks I see on the shelves will continue to sit there instead of being bought twice.


I hope so, but a good release next year just seems too good to be true. I'd give almost anything for it, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

Wait for Celebration IV for the announcement.


Hope springs eternal.

If the OOT came out in high quality on DVD and HD, I would buy it for almost any price. Otherwise, I don't care anymore. Like I say, I'd give almost anything for y'all to be right about the "saga" boxed set. But I just don't want to get my hopes up and have them crushed again. All I can do is hope and pray. But yes, I would. I just hope that I can.
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#261084
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261084/action/topic#261084
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
Last year, they painstakingly restored the lost version of a movie called Major Dundee from 1965. They even created a completely new orchestral score from scratch. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the demand and profit potential for Star Wars '77 is equal to or greater than Major Dundee.


Yes, but would Lucas allow it? That's the clincher. And that was amusing. Thank you. I hope you're right.
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#261077
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261077/action/topic#261077
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Originally posted by: JediRandyWe'll see... if there's ever a time for it, it'll be the big 6 movie box set....

I keep hoping that, but I doubt it. All I can do is pray and hope.

"If" it's as in demand? "If"?!

Sales do seem to have dropped on the GOUT.

I'm guessing you don't really understand how large the Star Wars fanbase is.

I think that he does .

Even if the poeple who would like to own a high-quality, dedicated release of the theatrical versions comprise only a small minority of Star Wars fans, you're still talking about easy money.


Yes, but the quesiton is, will Lucas allow it? Is his hatred of the OOT stronger than his desire to make money? After, the kind of people whom he could market that too are the kind of people who would spend any amount of money on a boxed set with films that they don't want just to get the restored OOT. That's why the boxed set would be perfect and dovetail with all of the circumstantial evidence like the MTV interview, SW.com's "searching the archives" comment, the testing the waters theory, and what I just mentioned. I just don't want to get my hopes up and have them crushed, because I can't see it happening.

Of course, this assumes that George Lucas would give a shit enough to put his stamp of approval on something with effort and care put into it (which a dedicated, nerdy fanbase would require).


I think it's just a case of him giving the go-ahead for a restoration. He wouldn't have anything to do with it regardelss other than say whether or not it can be released.

DVD technology is capable of a lot, and the theatrical release of Star Wars and its two sequels deserve what that technology that can give us.


And we'll still probably have to fight for years of HD discs, if we get them at all .
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#261066
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261066/action/topic#261066
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Originally posted by: JediRandyAnd Mike O, I'm not attacking anyone... I'm just debating. I'd love a good version as well.


Then you're fine by me. I just wonder if we'll ever get one. Hasn't the September DVD set sold reasonably well? I mean it was in Amazon.com's top ten for a while. I can't see LFL saying that there's no market for it. Not quite as big a market as some other things perhaps, but I'd imagine that there's a considerably large group of people who'd pay for a restored OOT DVD set. I don't imagine that LFL is financially hurting from this set . I just wonder if it'll come out while Lucas is alive, or while I am alive.
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#261060
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261060/action/topic#261060
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Originally posted by: JediRandyThe OOT is on DVD and, if it's as in demand as it's made out to be around SW message boards, it'll be available once again with the proper aspect ratios, etc... if LFL has proved anything its that they'll release anything as long as there is a demand for it.


If the OOT comes out restored, then all will be fine . I hope that you are correct, though I wonder when? Really, that's all I want. I certainly don't hate Lucas. I'm sure he's a very nice man, and I wish him a long, happy, healthy life. I just want the OOT on a high-quality DVD so that I can watch it myself. That's all. Please don't attack me .
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#261059
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/261059/action/topic#261059
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Maybe Lorne Peterson doesn't see digital enhancement as an insult to modelmakers.

Maybe he is mature enough to realize that it's just another tool to make movie magic with, and doesn't concern himself with this idea that some effects are insulting to other kinds of effects.


I think it's foolish of us to focus on one too strongly, because we don't knnow.
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#259385
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259385/action/topic#259385
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
A Lorne Petersen quote from 2005:

“It’s almost unimaginable to think of the (original) Star Wars films sitting somewhere and rotting within your own lifetime,” he said.
He sounds thrilled.


Do you have source? If you do, then that is interesting.


To paraphrase a line from Kurosawa: "Do-you-have-a-source?"
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#259383
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259383/action/topic#259383
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Here are some good Star Wars percentages not pulled completely out of fanboy ass.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=197859


Now to say that that has no validity, but many critics panned The Shawshank Redemption, It's A Wonderful Life, andmany other classic films on their initial release. Similarly, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: The Movie did great box office at the time retrospectively and look at the critical concensus now. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, I'm just pointing it out.


I just pulled a random percentage WITH a source... as opposed to pulling a random percentage from thin air.


OK. I applaud you for it. Unfortunately, it is of no use to me .