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#414011
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Petition for the Theatrical Cuts of the Original Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray
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Even if this was going to work, we'd need a TON more signatures. We should definitely try to get some people in high places involved (OBviously, it would never happen, but it'd be awesome to have James Cameron throwing his weight around in the press). We all know where get a hold of Kevin Smith, it might be good bet to scour the "official websites" of filmmakers and media personalities who could help and try to get them involved. I'd say that this is our last hurrah. I don't really have any hope of this working, but we should make so much noise that there won't be ANYBODY who can't hear.

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#414010
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OOT Letter Writing Campaign for Blu Ray release
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That'll be an easy letter to write.

To whom it may concern,

     It has been recently announced that there are plans to release the Star Wars films on high-definition Blu-Ray disc. As a fan of the original theatrical cuts, I have no interest whatsoever in the "special edition" versions of the films. The last time that these original versions were released, they were released as "bonus material," and not in anamorphic widescreen and with both the original audio tracks as well as remixes, as is the industry standard. The fans were told that an attempt was not made to restore the versions, as the did not represent the "original vision" of Mr. Lucas. As a result, not only did I choose not to purchase them, but I made the decision to dissociate myself from all future Star Wars product, as it was clear to me that I was only wanted as a fan on certain terms. As a result, I decided to simply stop purchasing any and all Star Wars and Lucasfilm productions, including action figures, toys, novels, comics, DVDs video games, and others, as well as not viewing any episodes of the Clone Wars T.V. series. These versions represent an integral part of cinema history that represent the work of many talented and groundbreaking special effects artists who worked on the film. The DVD industry has show with such releases as the Alien series, The Lord of the Rings, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Blade Runner, Gladiator, Touch of Evil, King Kong, Strangers on A Train, and numerous other films. Were these versions, properly remastered and restored to surface, I would pay any price at all to acquire them, even if presented in a rather expensive and exclusive boxed set, and if these versions are not included in the future releases, I will simply choose to spend my money elsewhere. Without them, I have no interest at all in spending any money on the Blu-Ray releases of the films, or indeed any future Lucasfilm products.

 

We should make as much noise as possible. Get Kevin Smith involved, see if anyone can find a way to contact anyone in Hollywood or any OOT creators miffed by the treatment of their work. Work tirelessly to involve EVERYONE possible. Try to make it so that not only are there angry fanboys, but people in high places (Obviously, it's not possible, but it'd be great if James Cameron, et al could be involved. It's unfortunate that Michael Bay has a website, as he'd be pretty much no help :P!). I've now given up all hope of it doing any good, but we should try anyway. Make so much noise that it's not possible that anyone in any corner of the world not to know what's going on, for all the good it won't do.  Plus, we have no idea where to direct stuff anyway.

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#311702
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Peter Jackson evidently IS returning for The Hobbit...sort of...
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Well, that's idiotic enough. Please god, let this be a rumor. Show some common sense and at least adapt something that Tolkien actually WROTE!


It is pretty clear why they do not. Just look how long it took them to get the legallities of The Hobbit worked out. The Tolkien Estate has not exactly been enthusiastic about the Peter Jackson films, the chances of them selling the rights to some more original Tolkien material is pretty slim. Since they are already entitled to use the characters and locations of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, they can simply just make up a feature length epilogue to The Hobbit/prolgue to The Lord of the Rings, without having to deal with the Tolkien Estate or dish out any money to them.


Their problems with the films have to do with New Line conveniently forgetting to pay them certain profits that they were due more than anything else.
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#310619
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Because I'm bored, I decided to look up some numbers on how well the Indy films have done, to see what the new film has to live up to. I've applied a basic formula:

Gross - Budget = Unadjusted Profit

I say "unadjusted" because there are undoubtedly other expenses (marketing, etc.) that come into the equation, but sometimes the information just isn't there. To make this applicable to the current time, I've also adjusted all numbers for inflation.

Raiders of the Lost Ark
Budget: $44,158,273.38
Gross: $588,462,276.46
Profit: $544,304,003.08

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Budget: $56,833,333.33
Gross: $365,093,823.88
Profit: $308,260,490.55

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Budget: $82,458,438.29
Gross: $338,718,316.60
Profit: $256,259,878.31

Stiff competition. I wonder if the downward profit trend will continue.


That's still a hell of a lot of money.
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#310573
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: Mielr

They had a segment on E.T. as well, but they didn't show the entire trailer, just snippets of it. Are you talking about the bit in the truck?



Yes, and just this 5 second scene confirms why Indy fans will enjoy this movie, and why the didn't like the PT: INDY IS STILL IN IT!!! The PT didn't have those lovable characters in it, so if you didn't care for them, how could you like the movies? With Indy IV, I am not saying it will be Raiders-quality, I am not even saying it is going to be a great movie, but its got Ford, his hat, the whip, the music, and it will have that humor in it, so nobody will hate it like they did with the PT, cause you will have someone to root for the whole time.


Finally, someone friggin gets it! I've been saying this all along--it's got Ford as Indy...how bad can it be? People have been bitching about it being as bad as the PT, but the primary problem with the PT was the characters. So if we've got a new Indy movie, and Indy is still in it (With some returning characters) how bad can it really be?


Remember Highlander 2? Same lovable characters in it, but it was a stink bomb to most fans of the first film. Same thing with Robocop 2, Superman III and IV, Never Say Never Again, Poltergeist 2, Star Trek Insurrection and Nemesis. There are a number of films that have the same stars playing the "lovable characters", and they still stink to most moviegoers. I'm sure some people will think this new Indiana Jones movie will be the best of the lot, but how much money it brings in will be the real test.


It will bring in shitloads of money; I don't think that that's in any doubt. As for the characters being back, that may well be, but that hardly makes any difference if the film is badly made. I'd love to have faith in Spielberg and David Koepp, but the shadow of Lucas, his ego, and the PT looms large here. But we'll see. Really, wars in the Middle East. More important things to worry about.
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#310507
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: JediRandy


This whole idea of "tarnishing" the originals is crazy....



I actually agree that this wont tarnish the Originals, the same way EU books haven't either. The Clone Wars Cartoons are not going to draw the 'casual' SW fan the same way the PT did, so you aren't going to have that mass response to people waiting in line, so in turn, you won't get that big news story, "ANOTHER SW MOVIE, see they are waiting in line again....."

I have talked to my diehard SW friends, and not one friend is interesting in going in August, as they said they will probably catch a couple of episode on TV, just like many new things on TV just to see how it looks. These were the guys who were there opening weekend for EVERY PT movie no matter what they thought of the previous one.

I asked my casual SW friends, and they were like "Clone huh?" These were the guys who all went to TPM, skipped AOTC, and then some went to ROTS to see how Darth Vader came to be.

It is funny cause TPM made the most money, ROTS made the second most, and AOTC made the least, and that is exactly what order my casual SW friends went to see it.

Don't worry guys, this will appeal to the SW diehards, but won't affect the OOT one bit, so I have no angst towards how this does.


I think the majority of people will probably feel like they have no inclination to pay to see something in a theater that they can watch for free on TV, that's all. I don't really think that it runs much deeper than that.


Wait... the movie is a lead-in to the TV show, right?


Oh, is it? Now I'm confused....

As for the Indy 4 trailer, I must say, the trailer did make it look cool. If still a little shaky on the move itself, but they way it's presented is really cool.

"Damn, I thought that was closer!"
"Part time!"
Good stuff.

I kept waiting for an "I'm getting too old for this" line...
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#310361
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Official: 'THE CLONE WARS' movie in Theaters 8/15/08
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Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: JediRandy


This whole idea of "tarnishing" the originals is crazy....



I actually agree that this wont tarnish the Originals, the same way EU books haven't either. The Clone Wars Cartoons are not going to draw the 'casual' SW fan the same way the PT did, so you aren't going to have that mass response to people waiting in line, so in turn, you won't get that big news story, "ANOTHER SW MOVIE, see they are waiting in line again....."

I have talked to my diehard SW friends, and not one friend is interesting in going in August, as they said they will probably catch a couple of episode on TV, just like many new things on TV just to see how it looks. These were the guys who were there opening weekend for EVERY PT movie no matter what they thought of the previous one.

I asked my casual SW friends, and they were like "Clone huh?" These were the guys who all went to TPM, skipped AOTC, and then some went to ROTS to see how Darth Vader came to be.

It is funny cause TPM made the most money, ROTS made the second most, and AOTC made the least, and that is exactly what order my casual SW friends went to see it.

Don't worry guys, this will appeal to the SW diehards, but won't affect the OOT one bit, so I have no angst towards how this does.


I think the majority of people will probably feel like they have no inclination to pay to see something in a theater that they can watch for free on TV, that's all. I don't really think that it runs much deeper than that.
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#309306
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Peter Jackson evidently IS returning for The Hobbit...sort of...
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
OFFICIAL WORD IS THAT THE FIRST FILM WILL BE THE HOBBIT, AND THE SECOND FILM WILL DEAL WITH THE SIXTY YEAR GAP BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. THE WORD CAME FROM ELIJAH WOOD DURING AN INTERVIEW ON MTV.COM. HE AND THE ORIGINAL CAST COULD VERY WELL BE REUNITED FOR THE SECOND FILM. THEY ARE WAITING ON WORD FROM PETER JACKSON AS TO WHICH CHARACTERS WILL BE BACK.


Well, that's idiotic enough. Please god, let this be a rumor. Show some common sense and at least adapt something that Tolkien actually WROTE!
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#309179
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Jim Ward steps down
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Well, we'll have to accept the laerdisc ports for the next 20-30 years; maybe someday well get a remastered OOT, but probably not in the first half of this century. Unfortunately, they'll have to try to recreate what it was in 1977 from the GOUT. But until hell freezes over Im jumping over to the star trek crowd until then.

Not sure how that would be a much better camp as far as this discussion goes. It's impossible to get the original theatrical versions of Star Treks I, II, and VI in an anamorphic DVD either.

Since I think it was you who brought this subject up in another thread, I'll cut you some slack for getting it wrong since I was actually going to list the specs of each original version's release and didn't get around to it.

The first dvd release of II was the original theatrical version and it was an anamorphic transfer.

Paramount released the old single disc editions in a weird order, it went something like this IIRC:

-First Contact, anamorphic, either day and date with the vhs in '97 (if it wasn't before the dvd format debuted ....) or a year later in '98
-Insurrection was day and date with the vhs in '99. I remember when we got our first dvd player in late spring of '99 (it was a father's day present to my dad) and going to see if the video store had a copy to rent and they were out so I rented it on pan n' scan vhs instead and watched it in the basement (I hadn't seen the movie at all yet in case you were wondering why I wanted to rent it).
-Of the pre-'97 movies, I think V and VI were released first for some reason (probably because they were the more recent movies). They were both non-anamorphic and VI was the home video cut with the operation retrieve scene and a few other differences.
-Generations was non-anamorphic
-Wrath of Khan was released in 2000 (I still remember seeing the Best Buy ad in the paper where it was listed under new releases coming out that Tuesday and thinking how odd (and yet cool at the same time) it was that they were starting with II). It was anamorphic, single layer and it was the original version. Search for Spock and Voyage Home were the same way, except Voyage Home was dual-layer.

It's funny, I actually saw a bunch of the old discs in the used section of an independent store early last year and was tempted to pick up II since it's the original version. I dunno, I guess I'm just hoping (just like with Star Wars) that they'll go all out for the inevitable hi-def release and put both versions on there.

EDIT: yea, knew I shouldn't have bothered to type all that out and wait to hit the button. Baronlando beat me to it.

Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: zombie84
True, but having said that all we got with Ward was a Laserdisk port.

At least he was able to accomplish that much.

However, the creation of a new petition on this site is long overdue: the OOT on Blu-ray.


"Existing prints are in poor condition." This quote from the form-response email sent out by LFL back in May of '06 to all of us outraged fans should be our starting point for the new petition. "So, they exist, and you could give us a remaster using them, you're just not going to?" should be our response. On the other hand, we need to first verify what exactly they mean by "existing prints." Does this mean they are acknowledging the fact that private collectors have prints of the OOT or does it in fact mean LFL actually still has some (or even some interpositives) lying around in the vault?



How substantiative are the Trek changes?

Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I'm cutting anything from the special edition restoration onward out of the equation. I mean, there's what, several hundred differences between the SE and the OOT? Has any professional studio actually reconstructed an earlier version of one of their films in such a way instead of simply transferring an older print/IP? Whenever I talk about "those interpositives" I mean the most recently struck pre-SE IP, but for all I know that could be more than twenty years old at this point and beyond any hope of restoration. Going the route of private collectors (as suggested by Bill Hunt) and getting Criterion to spearhead it (as suggested by Jay) might be the only real option available.


Ahem. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa121.html#fr

Basically it comes down to them not wanting to spend the cash, which I wish that they'd just say.

"That's right, we can do this, but Lucas won't so we're fucking over the fans. Now buy more of our shit."

That's basically what they should just come and say.

I'd be all for a new petition or SOMETHING. I'd like to do SOMETHING. But, since Lucas won't change his mind, I doubt that it will matter anyway.