RLM guys talk Last Jedi in latest video, less than a minute spent on it! Very relevant.
They did almost an hour on it here:
https://youtu.be/L9hwGZFPSmw
That’s a giant porg. lol. Apparently, they were raffled off as a Target promotion.
I liked these guys’ take on the film (funny and brief):
https://youtu.be/lRWOSUc-GWk
I like this guy, too (he lost me a bit at the end, but I agree with most of his critique):
https://youtu.be/yZl5NWX1mK8
Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate
Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛
I don’t get it.
Those braided things hanging off Boba Fett’s shoulder? They’re Wookiee scalps! I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah, I remember reading that someplace ages ago, but I didn’t notice them in the pic.
There was text pointing them out. 😛
I see that now—it’s very small and blurry on my screen.
Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate
Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛
I don’t get it.
Those braided things hanging off Boba Fett’s shoulder? They’re Wookiee scalps! I thought everybody knew that.
Yeah, I remember reading that someplace ages ago, but I didn’t notice them in the pic.
Chewie will discover the ones that stowed away on the Falcon reproduce at an alarming rate
That’s 'cause he fed them after midnight.
Well he did return in the OT, sort of. 😛
I don’t get it.
In ROTJ, I liked the Ewoks. Even remember playing with that Ewok village toy. But after the prequels came out, I learned that there were a sizable group of OT fans who hated the Ewoks. i.e. just there to sell toys, or were too cuddly or something. I can understand people not liking the Ewoks. I do hate the CGI with blinking eyes in the Blu-Rays though. Also wish the Ewoks battle scenes didn’t have that green screen look to them.
But I was wondering. Are there any here who hated the Ewoks, but love the Porgs?
I thought most of those scenes were shot on location—I don’t recall a lot of green/blue-screen shots, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen it.
I loved ewoks and I liked the porgs. Ironically, the porgs were actually one of the few things I did like about TLJ, because when I saw photos of them, I thought I was going to hate them.
I call BS on most of the people who say they don’t like ewoks. I think they secretly love them. 😉 You can keep the blinking ones, though. I refuse to watch that crap. Ugh.
(All you young’uns know that Endor was originally supposed to be a Wookiee planet, and they just decided to cut the creatures down in size, right?)
There’s a lot going on, sure, but I don’t see how it’s that complicated.
It’s not. The Resistance flees their base and almost gets wiped out despite their best efforts while Rey goes to find Luke Skywalker and answers and only ends up with some ancient texts before returning in time to save the survivors of the new Rebellion.
Thanks…now I’ll have something to tell people if they ask. 😉
If you weren’t on your seat during the throne room scene with Snoke - and after his death, or the Luke Skywalker ending, then you are bound to be disappointed for everything coming your way in IX, Han Solo, Obi-Wan etc.
Which is why I won’t be seeing them.
Anjohan said:Like how were you not on your edge?
It wasn’t planned. It just didn’t do it for me. I found nothing suspenseful or interesting plot-wise. I never felt that the characters were ever in any sort of jeopardy, and even if they were, they were so uninteresting, that I didn’t care.
There’s a lot going on, sure, but I don’t see how it’s that complicated.
I didn’t find it so much complicated as convoluted, I guess. Something about running out of fuel? Finding a code-cracker so they could not be tracked in hyperspace? A giant battering-ram at the end? None of the scenes felt interrelated or connected to me. 😕
I don’t see a whole lot of overlap in the criticisms between ESB and TLJ.
Most of the criticisms of ESB is that it wasn’t neatly tied-up like SW77 was, and left people with a lot of questions. But the point is, they CARED, and were upset they’d have to wait 3 years to get the answers to those questions. They were expecting a happy ending like SW77 and they didn’t get it. They were frustrated, and didn’t like what happened to the characters…but they CARED.
My problem with TLJ is that it made me not give a crap anymore. Halfway through the film, I was wishing they’d all get blown up like in R1. I don’t CARE about Rose and Finn and Poe and Rey and Ren and whatever boring thing they’re going to do next. It left me with no interest at all in seeing ep. IX.
There was never a moment in the film where I was in suspense or on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next. For an adventure/fantasy/sci-fi film, that’s an automatic thumbs-down for me.
If someone were to ask me to explain the plot of TLJ, I don’t think I could. The story and screenplay were very poorly conceived and written, IMO. 😕
which obviously for years I didn’t think were choking noises.
Someone check the closed-captioning to see if it says: “(CHOKING NOISES)” 😉
I will never understand how gurgling noises and putting your hands up to your throat/chest area could be considered “going to sleep.” You clearly sleep differently than pretty much any other person.
The guards have sleep apnea! 😄
DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.
I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.
Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?
It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.
The screenplay might show what they intended Luke to be doing in that scene.
Why is this still a debate?
Because I’ve watched that scene millions of times over the last 34 years since it came out, and I never got the idea he was using force choke.
I posted the quotes from the novelization AND the screenplay on pg. 106 (is anyone listening?! LOL!!!)
Yes, I saw. Thankyou.
You’re welcome.
Does anyone know what the dice things were that Luke handed Leia?
They’re the dice from the Falcon cockpit.
DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.
I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.
Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?
It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.
The screenplay might show what they intended Luke to be doing in that scene.
Why is this still a debate?
Because I’ve watched that scene millions of times over the last 34 years since it came out, and I never got the idea he was using force choke.
I posted the quotes from the novelization AND the screenplay on pg. 106 (is anyone listening?! LOL!!!)
DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.
I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.
Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?
It doesn’t matter. What matters is what’s on the screen, and they’re clearly being choked. They make gurgling sounds and put their hands up to their throats.
FWIW, the novelization says they were choked (I posted the quote on pg. 106).
DrDre said:
Yeah, but that just a way of bypassing the argument.By weighing up the things we see on screen and coming to a rational conclusion? TFA aside what does she do in TLJ that makes her so perfect? Screw everything up and give Kylo a swanky throne? Made of solid gold? I don’t get it. Then again we had a whole debate about how Luke never choked anyone, so who knows what powers of inference anybody has these days. So many angry people.
I wasn’t part of the Luke Force choke debate, sorry.
Given Mark Hammill believe Luke never used Force Choke we can put that debate to bed.
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
anyone know exactly what the screenplay says in that scene?
Well, the novelization (by James Kahn) says the following:
“Luke raised his hand and pointed at the guards. Before either could draw a weapon, they were both clutching their own throats, choking, gasping. They fell to their knees.”
The only copy of the script I have is from “The Art Of Return Of The Jedi” and it’s less specific:
“Luke raises his hand and points at the puzzled guards, who immediately lower their spears and fall back. The young Jedi lowers his hand and moves on down the hallway.”
I personally never thought Luke used the Force in Episode IV
Luke used the force to aim at the Death Star exhaust port (Ben told him “use the force, Luke” and then he turned off his targeting computer).
Yeah well I thought he just basically relied on his instincts, just like Anakin in Episode I, not used the force to literally aim the torpedo etc.
Well, Ben does tell Luke to “act on instinct” when he’s doing the lightsaber/remote training. But I always interpreted that as a technique to quiet negative thoughts and tap into the Force.
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
Which scene are you referring to?
ROTJ at Jabba’s palace when Luke force chokes the pigmen to gain access.
There are a few people here who believe Luke was using a mind trick to make them go to sleep.
Which I’m incredulous at…though I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
Ahhh…I forgot about that. I think the pig guard put his hand up to his throat, didn’t he?
I think I’m in the "yes, Luke used the ‘force choke’ " camp. 😛
I personally never thought Luke used the Force in Episode IV
Luke used the force to aim at the Death Star exhaust port (Ben told him “use the force, Luke” and then he turned off his targeting computer).
I personally allways interpreted the scene as signifying Luke’s a darker character now, and more like his father than he might think. So, to me that allways was a case of Luke using a Force choke, but if Hamill or anyone else sees it differently, I suppose only George Lucas has the answer. The ROTJ screenplay doesn’t speak of a Force choke, so you may very well be right.
Which scene are you referring to?
(Sorry- this thread is getting hard to keep up with, lol.)
nhoj3 said:
To be completely honest with you, if someone had polled me on the way out of the theatre I would have scored it favourably as well. There was too much to process to really score it accurately.
I WAS polled on my way out of the theater, and I gave it a rating of “good” (or 3 out of 5). As I was processing what I had just seen on the way home, I started to wish I’d given it a 1 or 2 rating (“poor” or “fair”).
It reminded me of the way I felt about ROTS when I first saw it. When I walked out of the theater, I was kind of stunned and I thought, “well, that was kind of OK, it wasn’t as bad as AOTC.” A few hours later, I thought “nah. That was complete crap, too” and I’ve never seen ROTS again. 😛
Here’s “the guy” again, who’s actually a fantasy writer, with his spoiler review of TLJ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdobc7jtQo
This was a good watch, I found his other video “The Last Jedi: A hate letter to Star Wars and it’s fans” to be even better and in just the first 2-3 minutes he pretty much nails the major issue with TLJ (though the whole video is a good watch):
I’m getting the same video when I click on those 2 links… 😕
Nice to see the fans that disliked or hated this movie represented in main stream media, to provide some balance against all the gushing positive feedback while brushing off the major criticisers as rabid, basement dwelling mommaboys or in many cases - just simply Star Wars fans as if this somehow means their opinion on a Star Wars movie is automatically skewed and worthless…
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Wow that guy is really worked up, lol.
Great video–thanks for the link.
Can’t deal with the reality that is being fed to me on some weird internet article here it is below.
Here’s another article that speculates that there’s something fishy with the CRITICS’ high scores:
http://scriptshadow.net/movie-review-the-last-jedi-and-maybe-the-last-star-wars-movie/
almost everything on the casino planet
If nothing else, the “riding the CGI animals” stuff was prequel-level awful.
Don’t be that guy, Frink.
He’s right though. I went to the bathroom at that point.
I agree. I pretty much lost all hope at that point. TFA and R1 were much better in that regard. I never really got any awful Prequel flashbacks watching them.
I did with the large CGI animals butt-crack in TFA.
I don’t remember that part—I’ll have to watch it again. I’m not saying that there weren’t parts of TFA that I disliked (I HATED that stupid octopus-type creature that kept grabbing Finn), but I guess as a whole it was good enough for me to overlook a lot of stuff.
Could somebody explain to me why I’m supposed to give a sh*t about Captain Phasma?
Seriously, a lot of people seem to find this character and her ‘story’ interesting. What’s the deal?
The same reason why we were supposed to give a sh*t about Darth Maul: zilch. All flash, no substance.
An interesting contrast is the Boba Fett character. He wasn’t forced on the audience, he was just a POS bounty hunter who served a purpose with minimal screen time. But for whatever reasons, some people (not me) gravitated towards him and built up his mystique, I guess in large part due to his lack of screen time. Less is more sometimes.
almost everything on the casino planet
If nothing else, the “riding the CGI animals” stuff was prequel-level awful.
Don’t be that guy, Frink.
He’s right though. I went to the bathroom at that point.
I agree. I pretty much lost all hope at that point. TFA and R1 were much better in that regard. I never really got any awful Prequel flashbacks watching them.
Here’s that frame I was talking about.
Unfortunately, it’s in an unreadable script, so I guess we’ll never know what incredibly dirty things R2 is saying.
Ahhh, my favorite pic of the car tape deck (left side). 😄
