Mielr

I have the DVD of NSNA too, and I like the film. I saw it in the theater when it came out, & I saw Octopussy in the theater that same year.

I think NSNA is a fun movie, and better than some of the lesser Moore films (like Moonraker).

I still think it's the frame rate more than anything. There have been film systems with higher framerates- and although they were very sharp and clear, there were complaints that they looked too much like video. 

I know a lot of videophiles don't like the 120Hz feature on newer TVs and complain when there's no option to defeat it.

lordjedi said:

I think you're going to be hard pressed convincing the casual viewers among us of the differences between video and film.  I know for myself, I don't have a clue what you're talking about and I don't see any difference.

I remember when I was a kid and first realized there was a difference between film and video- the cast of Growing Pains did a TV promo on film and they said something like "hey look! we're on film!" or whatever (the show itself was shot on videotape).

I understood then that that's why shows shot on tape like Three's Company had such a different look and feel than shows shot on film like Dynasty (aside from the sets and lighting, of course).

I'm sure I've told this story before (lol) but my nephew was SO excited to get the new Luke figure in the black jedi outfit- I guess he was 5 (his birthday is May 25th 1978).

One of his little monster friends stole the figure - I think my niece said she saw it in his back pocket as he was walking out of the house (good plan). I got really mad and walked down the street with my nephew to the kid's house and asked for (and got) it back. :-)

skyjedi2005 said:

Here is a great article that a portion of hightlights the problems on the 2 disc jedi set vs the anthology in terms of frequency response.

www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/9045/starwars.pdf

Wow- that's very interesting, thanks!

I just automatically assumed that the 2-disc sets had better sound than the '93 boxed set- guess I was wrong!

*Ahem* 'their'.........:-)

Gaffer Tape said:

Really?  I could have sworn I heard otherwise.  ROTJ just seems so different from the other two.  Aside from promoting the special edition, the first two I have don't have anything special edition related, but the ROTJ has Jedi Rocks and the new ending song.  Then again, ROTJ is the only movie of the trilogy to actually have new pieces of music written for it.  The other two just used unused music cues for special edition-specific scenes, so maybe that's it.

I have all three of the 1997 RCA SE editions, and the ROTJ set has the exact same track list as the '04 Sony set you have with the photoshopped cover (including 'jedi rocks' and the new ewok/finale music).

My scanner is not compatible with my new computer- otherwise I'd be happy to scan the contents of the booklet for you. :-(  Looks like Sluggo is going to help you out, though.

It interesting to read the description of the music that was written for the scene where Luke builds his new lightsaber (the scene that supposedly was never filmed.....?)

Good Musician explained it in detail a while back (good luck finding it with this site's new search function, though! :-P )

It had something to do with channels being reversed, etc. 

He also agreed that the RCA and Sony discs were identical.

Ziz said:

That's not what I mean.  "Video" looks different than "film".  It's hard to put into words.

Look at a home family video.  Look at the dimensionality of it.  Look at the way things look.

Now look at a film.  It has a different feel to it.  It almost makes video look fake, as backwards as that sounds.

Film looks "real".  Video looks "live".

 

 

I think that's because of film's frame rate- 24 frames per second. It's like the difference between watching a TV drama and a sit-com. Sit-coms have traditionally been shot on videotape, dramas on film. Things shot on videotape always looked "flat" to me.

But I guess that's all changed now with digital cameras, HD cameras. If I'm not mistaken, HD movie cameras use a 24fps frame rate to simulate the look & feel of film. 

I most strongly remember the anticipation of Jedi coming out. I remember seeing the first 'revenge' trailer in the theater- it was so exciting. Then, there came the announcement of the name change. I remember seeing publicity photos before the film came out- Luke in his black Jedi outfit, which worried me because I thought that meant he was turning to the dark side. I remember seeing photos of the unfinished Death Star and thinking that it was the DS from SW- and this is what it looked like now after being blown up. :-P

I saw Jedi on opening day, and I don't remember a lot about the theater except that nearly every seat was filled. For most of the film, I was very worried that Luke was going to die at the end.

Ziz said:  Even TPM, which we know was shot on real film, looked so clear that it like it was shot on video.  

And that's a good thing? :-P

Film still has a higher "resolution" than video methods. TPM will always look better than AOTC or ROTS for that reason.

I just got my first HDTV and I'm so glad I did. It's only a 32" but I'm ASTONISHED at how fantastic my DVDs look on it (and my current DVD player doesn't even upscale, or have HDMI).

My next DVD player will be a blu-ray player. Why not? A blu-ray player can play and upscale all of my current DVDs, and I can find the occasional great deal on blu-ray discs- I recently got the first 6 James Bond blu-rays from Amazon for $6.60 each! (I always buy the media before I have anything to play it on :-P ). And I can rent the blu-rays that are too expensive to buy.

I was a bit underwhelmed by the way the picture looked on the HDTVs in the stores, too. But when I got mine up and running and made a few tweaks (ALWAYS turn that noise-reduction feature OFF!) I was really surprised at how fantastic everything looked. I only get about 6 channels in HD, but it's great to finally watch some of my favorite shows in hi-def.

Have you tried photobucket?

LOL!

I have 2 sets of those. They're not rare.

(and you can already get them on DVD- they're called the GOUT).

Sluggo said:

Fall of '77.  Saw Star Wars at the drive in when I was six.  Popcorn in the back of the station wagon.  I fell asleep right at the end. 

Some Debussy pieces remind me of Star Wars music- for example, "Clouds" (Nuages) reminds me of the music when 3p0 and R2 are walking thru the desert on Tatooine. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1XSJHTOFAI

John Williams is often compared to Wagner - so maybe some of his pieces would work.

You might want to check out Holst's "The Planets" suite as well (the "mars" piece was used as part of SW's temp track).

http://youtu.be/6NeQ1h6lzLI

I can only speak for myself of course, but I dislike the Prequels because they are bad movies, not because I'm angry with George Lucas. Crystal Skull sucked too, and I'm not at all angry with Steven Spielberg, quite the contrary.

What kind of extras did they have?

I honestly don't have a problem putting the PT out of my mind when I watch the originals- but then I've only seen the PT films once (except for TPM which I got roped into seeing twice). I can't even remember much about AOTC except that I hated it - LOL!

I'm sure that has a lot to do with the fact that I was a SW fan for so many years before the prequels came out, but I think that the PT will eventually fade from your memory as long as you make an effort never to watch them again.

Very funny video. :-)

Puggo, maybe I can send you some of my old Disney/Sesame St. cartridges to crack open! LOL!

Bummer. Sorry!

If it ends up on youtube, it won't be there long because NBC keeps a pretty tight reign on their clips.

I'm a bit worried about Zion. Has anyone heard from him lately?

(They make you watch an ad first, before the clip loads) :

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/digital-short-laser-cats-4/981341/

2x post.

I felt the same way. It was sooooo obvious the way he paused in front of the camera, like, "just in case you missed him- look! It's Boba Fett! See?! He's in Star Wars now! Isn't it cool what we can do with computers now?! Woo hoo!"

LOL.