....not to mention the missing music from the death star approach.
EyeShotFirst said:
I am not taking sides with anyone in this matter. I will simply state that when I got the 2004 dvd boxset I nearly shat myself.
That's what I nearly did when I saw Hayden at the end of ROTJ. 8-O
I always pictured the scene (perhaps because of the novelization) with a close-up of his hands building the saber, and then his head being visible only after he's pulled his hood forward, saving his identity reveal for later at Jabba's Palace.
I was going to start a new topic, but it sort of related to this one so I'll just post it here......
Mark Hamill says he never shot lightsaber construction scene (he didn't say it wasn't shot, just that HE didn't shoot it):
dark_jedi said: I know this was directed to g-force,but I want to chime in and say I see this,and you are right,it is a lot more noticeable after the helmet explodes,and that is some serious shake,I wish I would have caught this a lot sooner
g-force said:
Mielr said:g-force, just out of curiosity, I wonder if you see the same thing I'm seeing in the magic tree scene in ESB - which is some "shakiness" in Luke's close-up immediately before and after Vader's helmet exploding (especially after).
I wish I could tell you. I have wiped ESB from my hard drive. So this is not on the original GOUT? Would you be able to check it with the new version of the script?
-G
No, it's not on the GOUT.
Unfortunately, I can't try the new version of the script because I didn't do it myself in the first place, I only saw the finished product. :-/
neebis said:dark_jedi said:@ Mielr,so how do you set a DL layer break to be the same as the retail?
I know you can set an exact layerbreak with PGCEdit, but it's more involved than letting Imgburn do it automatically:
I defer to neebis on that one. :-)
There really isn't a problem with your layer breaks - but you got real lucky because they came very close to being in the middle of a sentence on a couple of them (especially on SW, which is why I assumed it was deliberate on your part). I know that on computers the layer-switch is usually seamless, but on a lot of DVD players (especially older ones like mine) there's a slight pause.
Even on the retail discs, the placement of the layer-switches aren't ideal, IMO, especially on ROTJ- I'd have definitely moved that one up to a better place (but they didn't ask me, so there you go.) ;-)
g-force, just out of curiosity, I wonder if you see the same thing I'm seeing in the magic tree scene in ESB - which is some "shakiness" in Luke's close-up immediately before and after Vader's helmet exploding (especially after).
fishmanlee said: why do you think jedi rocks is terrifying?
Seriously?!
It's terrifying in its sheer horridness, along with the scene that accompanies it, made worse by the fact that it replaced a good song (Lapti Nek) & a good scene.
I saw this the other nite on Comcast's OnDemand (one of the free movies). It's pretty amusing- though I have a fondness for old Hammer horror movies anyway.
Prowse plays the strongman, in another role where he isn't permitted to speak :-P
Anybody else see it?
Great minds think alike. ;-)
DarthJardus said:I finally got Empire finished.
It looks pretty good.
However, I see some pretty bad "ghosting" on scenes where something is moving really fast.When Luke attacks Vader you can easily see it....almost like there is a trailing image, following the main image.
Are you talking about the duel in the carbon freeze chamber or in the magic tree?
I saw some strange juddering/jerkyiness in the magic tree scene (not present on the official DVD)- especially in the close up shot of Luke's face as he moves his saber across it (most noticable AFTER Vader's helmet explodes).
Could the fact that the scene is in slo-mo have anything to do with it?
fishmanlee said:what is the scariest star wars music/song/track to you?
mine is The Tractor Beam second is Parade of the Ewoks third is Empy's theme
Why do you think Parade of the Ewoks is scary?
The Imperial March (Darth Vader's theme) is one of the 'scariest', also the 'magic tree' music.
But "Jedi Rocks" is hands-down the most terrifying. ;-)
LOL! One of the funniest posts ever..... :-D
That's good to know- I hadn't read that interview. I'd only read about the Technicolor print of SW that GL had in storage, that he wanted to use as color-reference for the SEs.
I imagine they'd have made B&W seps for Jedi too, since that was the era when all the filmmakers were freaking out about how badly the Kodak elements were fading.
Oh, Ok I see what you mean. I guess I misunderstood the question.
But still, it was always obvious to me that Sidious was McDiarmid, so I guess I just automatically assumed that Sidious was Palpatine's alter ego. It never really occurred to me that McDiarmid could be playing a dual-role.
ChainsawAsh said:I still say just using the 3-strip archival prints would be fine for the OOT - many films have been transferred at very high quality using similar prints, without ever touching the o-neg.
If they're 3-strip B&W separation negs then they'd be useful (if they were made properly- otherwise they're unusable), but if they're Technicolor IB prints (which is the impression I got) then they aren't good for striking new negatives, because the dye is too dense (according to Robert A. Harris, anyway). They're really only useful as color reference (and that only refers to SW, since the dye-transfer labs were long gone by the time ESB and ROTJ were made).
Besides, I think all of the information given to the public about the condition/availability of elements to make new OOT prints is highly suspect. They've only told us what they want us to know, in order to foster panic to justify their actions with the SEs (and inaction with the GOUT). I don't trust anything the Lucasfilm stooges put out there- it's like a dictatorship.
I never thought it was supposed to be a secret, quite frankly. The minute I saw Ian McDiarmid I knew he was the Emperor. Plus, the fact that his name was Senator Palpatine......not too much of a stretch there. :-P
I always knew Padme was Queen Amidala, too. If either of those were intended to be plot twists, then they didn't work.
I watched ESB this afternoon and it also looked excellent. :-)
I noticed that the layer-break is different on this one as well (compared to the official GOUT). Out of curiosity, what was the reason (if any) for moving it?
Thanks, Moth3r, I thought that was the case but I wasn't sure.
Is the layer-break for SW in a different spot than on the official disc? (It seems like it's now right after Vader says 'she may yet be of some use to us').
Ok, so I was able to sit down and watch SW last nite, and I'm VERY impressed with the results, DJ and g-force! You did an incredible job and you should be proud of yourselves. I don't think the GOUT could look any better than this- you seem to have utilized every last drop of available quality.
I only have a 32" HDTV so I can't speak to how this would look on a much larger set, but on my TV I was completely immersed in the film, not distracted at all by any PQ deficiencies. I like very much how the subtitles were done, as well.
I haven't watched ESB or ROTJ yet (I'll try to get to ESB tonight) but I think these are going to be my definitive versions of the OT now. I can't imagine wanting to watch the official GOUT discs at all now, or even the OCP Classic Editions which I also like very much.
On a side note- I think your discs will also make the perfect source for anyone wanting to do a hybrid GOUT/'04-DVD project.
Just for clarification- the script used for these discs stabilized the gate-weave and improved the aliasing as well (like in the PWNAGE edition)? The reason I ask is because in addition to everything else, the aliasing seems improved too.
I look forward to watching ESB and ROTJ soon- thanks again for the FANTASIC work! :-D
Most of my VHS tapes have aged pretty well (20+ years) but there was one occasion when I ordered a tape from eBay of a 1975 TV movie called "Eric" (one of Mark Hamill's early films).
The image on the tape was almost totally gone- it looked like everything was in a blinding snowstorm. The color was totally washed out and the images were so 'faded' that only the very darkest areas were visible. I have no idea what could have caused this- the sound on the tape was fine, so I doubt that it had anything to do with being too close to a magnetic source.
I returned the tape to the seller and was eventually able to find another copy, which was in good shape.
Sorry I asked! LOL!
How did I miss that one? :-P
dark_jedi said:So has anyone watched these yet?
We would love to know what you think of them.
I STILL haven't had a chance to view them on my HDTV (got a surprise visit from the Aunt & Uncle this week), but my initial impression of them is excellent.
Will report back soon.....
(EDIT)
(from another thread):
Ok, so I was able to sit down and watch SW last nite, and I'm VERY impressed with the results, DJ and g-force! You did an incredible job and you should be proud of yourselves. I don't think the GOUT could look any better than this- you seem to have utilized every last drop of available quality.
I only have a 32" HDTV so I can't speak to how this would look on a much larger set, but on my TV I was completely immersed in the film, not distracted at all by any PQ deficiencies. I like very much how the subtitles were done, as well.
I haven't watched ESB or ROTJ yet (I'll try to get to ESB tonight) but I think these are going to be my definitive versions of the OT now. I can't imagine wanting to watch the official GOUT discs at all now, or even the OCP Classic Editions which I also like very much.
On a side note- I think your discs will also make the perfect source for anyone wanting to do a hybrid GOUT/'04-DVD project.
Just for clarification- the script used for these discs stabilized the gate-weave and improved the aliasing as well (like in the PWNAGE edition)? The reason I ask is because in addition to everything else, the aliasing seems improved too.
(question answered here): http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/page/27/
I look forward to watching ESB and ROTJ soon- thanks again for the FANTASIC work! :-D
"Lucasbolt?"
Do I dare ask? ;-)
It was Red Leader that talked about Luke's Dad (Biggs wouldn't have been old enough to have known Anakin), and that's the portion that was cut and replaced with the guy walking across the screen. Like SilverWook said, there's nothing that he said that contradicted anything so the cut was really unneccesary.
Interesting interview. I always believed that the lightsaber scene was shot, mainly because of the music that was composed for the scene.
SilverWook said:Guess I should have said it doesn't bother me that much. It's original footage, and no CGI schenanigans in sight. ;)
Well, except for that guy that they digitally inserted to walk across the screen. ;-) I liked that addition very much (the ONLY thing I liked about the SEs), but I would have liked it a whole lot more if they'd left it uncut. :-/