Mielr

I just hope they keep it SE-free like they did with the first book. I think they will- it seems like they're going for consistency. 

Apparently, "The Making Of Star Wars" is getting a sequel in 2010:

http://www.starwars.com/vault/books/news20090810.html

Nice cover shot!

At least there's some bit of good news around here! :o)

Beta was originally supposed to be slightly better than VHS, in no way was it better than LD.

The only real value I could see with a Beta transfer is if there was something unique about the print used. Otherwise it would just be another noisy Pan&Scan preservation.

oh_riginal said:

There's a hilarious video on youtube that has all the Darth Vader Scenes from ANH re-dubbed with James Earl Jones' voice from some of his other films, used to AWESOME effect. I believe it was called "Vader Sessions", but I'm not 100% sure on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CeYTRm6tiM

g-force said: Half of the vertical resolution was thrown away. It also accounts for all of the aliasing. Conducted additional experiments last night, and now I'm about 99.99% sure.

-G

The aliasing is present on the LDs too, though (especially on SW). How does that figure in?

negative1 said:

Mielr said:

-1 is the Ross Perot of this forum.

 

 i'll take that as a compliment.

thanx

 

I figured you would. ;-)

TV's Frink said:

Agreed to both - but what makes it funny to me this time around is hearing Michael Scott saying these things in my head.

 

Oh, no doubt- Steve Carrell is a riot. I'm just saying that you don't really have to watch the show to get the joke.

-1 is the Ross Perot of this forum.

ABC said:

TV's Frink said:

It's a joke from the American version of the TV show "The Office."

Ah... Please let's stay... Universal !

 

That joke was around long before The Office......and in any case, it's pretty self-explanatory, isn't it? ;-)

EDIT: I didn't know what you meant so I did a bit of digging. The 'weave' method is generally considered to be superior in most cases, correct?

Will you be altering your stabilization scripts now, or is that totally unrelated?

Yeah, not one of my favorites either, but it's probably the most screen time Prowse ever got (without a mask, anyway). :o)

Yeah, I can't believe how many reputable reviewers gave glowing reviews to the '04 set. Lowry did a great job with the scanning and grain removal, but the colors were obviously way off and the transfers were way too dark.....and then there's the sound issues.

I can only speak for myself, but I won't be buying the SE on blu-ray.

zee944 said:

If it's a smearing similar to color bleeding, YAHR() and other aWarpSharp tricks above may help. If it's like fieldblending (that means the trails are coming from the neighbour frames - the smearing led to four-eyed startroopers) then there are a few filters to remove this. But I don't know how to use these, so it's really just a guess. I'm just hoping you'll find some solution for that. It'd be too bad if the smearing would hold back this being the best source for having the untampered trilogy.

The smearing comes from a "dirt concealment" method that was used when the DefCol laserdisc masters were created back in '92. It had something to do with using surrounding frames to hide dirt specks, pinholes, etc. Unfortunately, it probably created more problems than it fixed.

Still, they ended up being the highest quality OOT laserdiscs available, and they used those same masters for the GOUT DVDs.

Are those screen caps vertically squeezed? They look like it, in comparison to dark_jedi's SC caps:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Japanese-Special-Collection-Star-Wars-Trilogy-Take-2/post/372404/#post372404

Looks great though, Arnie.d. Good luck with the project. ;-)

The X9 is no slouch either. It has the same unique laser as the X0.

http://www.mindspring.com/~laserguru/askjosh.htm

skyjedi2005 said:

Was Lang alive to comment on what he thought of Moroders version?

No, he died in 1976.

I like the Moroder version a lot- it was the first version of the film I ever saw. My Mom took me to see it at a movie theater in NYC. I was able to get a copy of the laserdisc at a reasonable price a few years ago on eBay. I'm glad they're doing another restoration of it with the newly-found footage, but I'll always associate the film with the Moroder soundtrack (and I like the color tinting as well).

Moroder doesn't like the soundtrack he did for Metropolis?

I'm really excited about this project- I've never seen the SC, so it will be interesting to watch, especially since most of the versions of the trilogy I've seen in the last 15 years (DC/Faces/GOUT) came from the same source.

Plus- the X9 is such a phenomenal player, I'm sure the results will be great.

"...the HLD-X9 is often regarded as the very best laserdisc player ever built. It was designed for double duty playing both standard laserdiscs and the Japanese MUSE high-definition laserdiscs (which require a MUSE decoder and high-definition television). For this purpose, it has the advanced comb filter from the LD-S9 and a special narrow-bandwidth laser. I have seen this player in action. It is a massive piece of equipment, dwarfing most other LD players. I'm not sure exactly what kind of electronic magic is built into it, but the HLD-X9 produces an amazingly sharp and noiseless image that cannot be matched by any other laserdisc player I've ever seen." (Josh Zyber - The "Laser Guru")

http://www.mindspring.com/~laserguru/askjosh.htm

edwardar said:

Mielr said:

So, is this the "X9 Project" now? :-)

 

Noooooo! Don't curse it with that title!!

Ohhhh! Sorry! Didn't mean it that way. :-P Just meant, since he's not using a 'V8' anymore......

Maybe "STAR WARS X9" would be better. ;-)

To be perfectly honest, I think you'd be disappointed with most of the LD transfers compared to the GOUT. The GOUT comes from the digital masters that were used to make the DC/Faces LDs, so by nature, they have less video noise than what would be introduced by even an excellent LD player. The only possible exceptions would be the X0 or X9 LD player, which in theory would produce an image equal to (or some say, better than) the GOUT.

Though, I personally have never seen one of these machines in person (they're VERY expensive, and rare) I understand there simply is nothing else to reveal every possible bit of quality from LDs.

Jono11 said:

Mielr said:

I'd say the best now is the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT-sourced anamorphic trilogy that uses the image stabilization/anti-aliasing scripts.

I'm also kind of a fan of OCP's Classic Editions (they use the 2004 DVDs and a LD transfer to replace all the SE material). They're imperfect, but the idea of them is great. I hope someday someone fully realizes the idea by doing a 2004 DVD/GOUT hybrid (maybe using the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT project).

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with any of the LD transfers at this point (except maybe Arnie.d's V8/X9 transfer of the Japanese Special Collection that's in the works). The GOUT really kind of made all the DC/Faces LD transfers obsolete, IMO.

The G-Force/Dark Jedi transfer, is that the one based on the Japanese LDs, or is it based on the 1993s?

{.............}

 Plus, looking at the screenshot page, some of those preservations look a lot sharper than GOUT.

 

Here's more info (+ screenshots) of the g-force stabilization project. It's sourced from the GOUT, not LD:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/page/28/

No, the features on the '93 LD set have never been re-issued. There are some preservations of them, though. Rowman's bonus discs are one, Dr. Gonzo's Supplemental disc is another, there may be others.

Have you checked the Official DVD Index here?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OFFICIAL-DVD-INDEX-Star-Wars-Preservation-and-Fan-Edits/topic/2450/

Which screenshot page are you referring to? This one?:

http://aptirrelevance.com/otscreenshots/screenshots.php?shot=20

I honestly don't see any LD screenshots that look sharper than the GOUT (more saturated, maybe). 

So, is this the "X9 Project" now? :-)

I'd say the best now is the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT-sourced anamorphic trilogy that uses the image stabilization/anti-aliasing scripts.

I'm also kind of a fan of OCP's Classic Editions (they use the 2004 DVDs and a LD transfer to replace all the SE material). They're imperfect, but the idea of them is great. I hope someday someone fully realizes the idea by doing a 2004 DVD/GOUT hybrid (maybe using the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT project).

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with any of the LD transfers at this point (except maybe Arnie.d's V8/X9 transfer of the Japanese Special Collection that's in the works). The GOUT really kind of made all the DC/Faces LD transfers obsolete, IMO.

neebis said:

I'm not sure where the retail disc layer break is, but I ended up putting mine right after the scene where Luke is doing saber practice with the remote on the Falcon, where it cuts to a scene on the Death Star behind a conference table. On my set-top player, it cuts to the Death Star shot, then pauses, then the door opens and the scene continues. It was the best I could find given the size of my video, because there's no motion and no dialog or obvious audio to be clipped at the pause.

 

FWIW, the retail layer-break on SW is right after Tarkin says "Terminate her! Immediately!", on ESB I think it's during a shot of Falcon's cockpit window before the Mynock attaches itself, in ROTJ it's right as we see Wicket's feet appear.

miochza said:

If done right... with some nice Star Wars music in the background, that would be my favorite Star Wars scene of the last 25 years! Could be epic :)

John Williams composed music for that scene already- it's on the most recent ROTJ CD releases. :-)