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#691631
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Star Wars Disco
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Joel said:
I remember reading somewhere that there were several Disco versions of the Star Wars theme in the late 70s, but the only one the internet seems to acknowledge is the Meco version. Admittedly, that's the version that I seem to remember as well, but this video clip presents another that may or may not have been in wide release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMQt9LUP5I

Do you know of any other Disco versions (from the Star Wars era, 1977-1983)? I'd be interested in tracking them down.


Other than Meco, I'm not aware of any other "disco" tributes to SW. If there is, I'd be mildly surprised. In any case, the Meco medley is the best one out there, IMO. Meco also did versions of the Imperial March, Princess Leia's Theme, etc., but they weren't as fun as the medley. I actually prefer the truncated single version of the medley, as opposed to the longer album version.

Besides, the "disco" era (not to be confused with the European definition) ended in '79 ("disco is dead!") so anything after that probably isn't disco anyway. ;-)

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#688794
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Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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I didn't know they used DNR for the '97 LDs. I think this is the first I'm hearing of it (though, since I'm not much of a SE fan, it's possible I read about it before and I just forgot).

With the dirt-concealment smearing on the DC/Faces/Gout releases being so notorious, I'm surprised DNR was used at all on the '97 LDs.

Well...not really all that surprised. :-/

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#688732
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Yub Nub music - availability?
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Thanks, it makes a lot more sense now. I love the Anthology boxed set, I remember the day I bought it at a Coconuts in NYC circa 1995. I had to order the set from them because the only one they had in stock had a slice in the box top where an employee had been careless with a box-cutter.

I like the RCA sets only for the additional unreleased tracks they provide, but the Anthology set will always be my favorite of the CD releases.

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#688555
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Is the theater where you saw Star Wars still standing ?
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My sister saw ESB at a drive-in in Las Vegas in 1980 (I didn't go) but I doubt if it exists anymore, as so many drive-ins are gone. I didn't see SW or ESB until '82 in Florida, but I have no idea what the theaters were called or if they still exist. Same for ROTJ in '83.

This is where I saw many movies as a child. I didn't see SW there in '77 but it played there (see the 9th comment from the top):

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/3183

The 2 b&w photos they show are actually interior shots, the lighted marquee being at the entrance of one of the screening rooms (pretty sure I saw The Muppet Movie in that very screening room in '79). That part of the theater was designed to look like an exterior street scene, complete with real shops and lampposts. It was quite a place. I understand it was demolished in 2002. Bummer. I remember it being a huge place, and apparently, it was one of the largest movie theaters at the time, having an impressive 11 screening rooms in 1973:

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/3183/photos

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#688554
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Yub Nub music - availability?
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Easterhay said:


Because the disc on which Yub Nub appears is a disc of extras, combining cues from all three films. The ESB take is the one from the film, not the one released on the album, hence its inclusion on disc four.


But why combine it with the ROTJ ewok/celebration music? Just to be able to squeeze both unreleased pieces onto the disc? (In which case I've answered my own question). ;-)


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#685725
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John Williams CONFIRMED for Episode VII
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skyjedi2005 said:
Yeah variety is great and all but other than the main themes Spy Who Love Me and For Your Eyes only were pretty big misses in my book.

Its all opinion of course.  I have met people who prefer Hamlich over Barry.



"The Spy Who Loved Me" is one of my favorite Bond themes (even though it's a Hamlisch/Bayer-Sager composition) along with "You Only Live Twice", "Thunderball", "Goldfinger" & "Live & Let Die".

"From Russia With Love" & "Diamonds Are Forever" are pretty good, too. I'm not too fond of the later (80s-present) ones.


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#684740
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Yub Nub music - availability?
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Wolfman said:


I think that cover art may be for a fan made soundtrack. The soundtrack includes Jabba Sail barge music, the different celebration ending music etc....

The abrupt end of Ewok celebration sounds like a fan edit.

The same is found in the choral version. An edit has been made to have the Return Of The Jedi end title music. The original  version of this track was on the Star Wars Anthology CD box set, but for some reason they decided to put the end titles of The Empire Strikes Back afterward.


Thanks---it didn't seem too likely that the pre-SE music would be available anymore. I have the boxed set too and have always wondered why they did that with the ESB end titles on the ROTJ finale. :-/

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#684739
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John Williams CONFIRMED for Episode VII
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EyeShotFirst said:


I could argue that John Barry destroys everybody, but in the end I love all above mentioned composers.


John Barry was fabulous. He may have had a bit more range than Williams, but I love them both. Jerry Goldsmith, too.

timdiggerm said:



imperialscum said:


Ryan McAvoy said:

As a writer of film scores Williams is overrated IMO.


That is your opinion.


Yes, which is why he said "IMO", which stands for "In My Opinion".


Lol. God forbid anyone should express their opinion on the interwebs. ;-)

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#684070
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ROTJ is the best Star Wars film... discuss!
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deepanddark20 said:


I don't have a reasoned-out counter argument for many of the criticisms people level against Jedi. All I know is this: when I sit down to watch it, I have as good an experience as I can expect from a movie. If I read people's criticisms and feel one way, but then watch the movie and feel another way, I think I'll go with the way I feel from actually watching the movie.

I don't appreciate people feeling the need to "explain away" how I feel about Jedi by assuming that I must just be blinded by nostalgia or some other factor, as though the critical opinion of Jedi is the "correct" one and mine is the "biased" one. If we're honest, we can admit that all of our opinions are subjective.

And for those who insist that it makes no sense to love Jedi but hate the prequels, get ready for this: I think the prequels are a suckfest from episode I all the way through episode 3.


Perfectly stated. :-)

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#684062
Topic
Flaws, plotholes, and "could-have-been-done-betters" in the OT (alternate plot points especially welcome)
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fishmanlee said:


Mielr said:

it FELT like a real duel might.


 Huge presumption.


Hence the word "might".

I don't think I'd be out of line by saying there's a good chance that neither one of us have ever been in a real laser-beam sword fight (and neither have any of the performers in the SW films, for that matter). So, in the case of watching something fictional on the screen that you have no real-world experience in, it boils down to visual believability which the PT sword fights lacked.


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#684060
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"By withholding a DVD release you are ignoring...
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skyjedi2005 said:
Would people have paid tons of cash in 1997 to see non restored not cgi versions of the films. 


I actually don't remember the new CG FX in 1997 being the main selling point for the theatrical re-releases.

I remember the ads with the little TV set and the "for over a decade, THIS is the only way you could see Star Wars..." or whatever narration, basically saying that Star Wars is meant to be seen BIG, and honestly, I think that's why 99% of the people went to see the re-releases.

It was a lot of people my age either just wanting to see them on the big screen one more time and/or taking their kids to see them on the big screen for the first time ever.

As far as the blu-rays go, I think a lot of people got a big surprise with some of the new alterations when they sat down to watch them (those who don't frequent SW-related forums, that is). And for me, the alterations were the reason that I did NOT buy them (the FIRST time ever that I didn't buy a new SW video release/format upgrade).

I believe the reason most fans buy SW over and over again is for the improvements in the formats over the years (VHS>>LD>>LBX VHS>>LBX LD>>DVD, etc.) not for changes to the movies themselves.

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#683494
Topic
Flaws, plotholes, and "could-have-been-done-betters" in the OT (alternate plot points especially welcome)
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Ryan McAvoy said:



RicOlie_2 said:

How did that merit a double facepalm?


 Fast LS duels are one of the many flaws with the PT, slow and talky LS duels are exactly what is right with the OT.


Exactly. If you want a "faster" duel, watch TPM or whichever one of those PT movies had people twirling around and stuff. :-P

What was PERFECT about the ESB duel it that it FELT like a real duel might. It it was perfectly paced; Luke's exhaustion at the end was palpable.

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#680111
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Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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skyjedi2005 said:



Mielr said:
Just curious, Sky....how do you interpret the "I know" line? Funny, wistful, or...???? :-/

He is trying to be a pain in the ass even though he knows he may very well die here on Cloud City. I find it totally flippant and at the same time equally true to Han Solo's character as well as Harrison Ford.

First time i saw the movie i thought the line was funny and unscripted. 


Same here. I guess I haven't been totally off-base for the last 30+ years. ;-)

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#680006
Topic
Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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imperialscum said:


Mielr said:

That's interesting. In the interviews I've seen w/ Kirshner, he says that the line was changed to take advantage of Han's character more than the line that was originally intended. I took that to mean that they wanted to take advantage of the self-centered aspect of Han's personality, and honestly the line never struck me as anything other than humorous.

Maybe it's more of a regional/cultural interpretation. :-?


Nothing personal, but why are there so many people misspelling Kershner's name.


In my case, it was because I was in a hurry and typed an "i" instead of an "e". You'll see that in post #35, I spelled it correctly. ;-)


Mavericks said:
Again, this is a personal preference. Obvious reply could be that but it would be a commonplace. This classic echoing is an established tradition, cliche that doesn't always work (sometimes it's necessary though depending on the plot, development and so on). I personally don't like such "obvious" things. To have him say "I know" was smth extraordinary, not seen before. One doesn't have to mirror other's "I love you" to express his/her feelings.


I'm not really clear on what you're getting at here. You seem to be reiterating the point I was trying to make...sort of(?)

My point was that (in movie-cliche style) "I love you too" would have been the obvious (and boring) response, but they chose to shake things up a bit and go with an unexpected and inspired response instead.

I still believe that the line was intended by the dry-witted Ford (and Kershner, if you believe he was involved) to be humorous. But that's me.


skyjedi2005 said:
Is it true Kasdan was irritated when they changed the line from "just remember that cause I'll be back" To " I Know" ?


Just curious, Sky....how do you interpret the "I know" line? Funny, wistful, or...???? :-/

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#679781
Topic
Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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That's interesting. In the interviews I've seen w/ Kershner, he says that the line was changed to take advantage of Han's character more than the line that was originally intended. I took that to mean that they wanted to take advantage of the self-centered aspect of Han's personality, and honestly the line never struck me as anything other than humorous.

Maybe it's more of a regional/cultural interpretation. :-?

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#679776
Topic
Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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Mavericks said:


And one more thing: why "I love you - I know" was "a comic relief"? There wasn't any "laugh-out-loud" feeling about the whole scene.


Really???
The whole theater bust out in laughter when I saw the film in 1982... :-/

I'm not saying this applies to you, but sometimes, people for whom English is not their first language have also expressed their confusion as to why the line is considered funny (and trust me, I'm not the only person who thinks it's funny...at least I don't think I am!)

The humor doesn't translate because it's funny not in a literal sense, but because it's not expected. The obvious reply would have been "I love you too". But when he replies "I know" he's basically saying "of course you love me! I'm totally irresistible!", showing his narcissism. It's also funny because he's possibly about to die...but his huge ego still won't allow him to admit he loves Leia.

Someone sent me a greeting card once that had a pic of Leia and Han about to kiss. She has a thought bubble above her head that says "I'm the luckiest girl in the universe!" He has a thought bubble above his head that says "She's the luckiest girl in the universe." ;-) Basically the same idea.


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#679278
Topic
Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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Here's another take....

The romance aspect of the carbon freezing scene was needed because it provided an opportunity for the "I know" line. Although the line was improvised (brilliantly) by Ford and Kershner, it was needed as a tension-breaker. It was one of the few laugh-out-loud moments in the film, during what was easily the film's most tense scene.

So, for that reason, it was needed.

Plays and movies have historically used "comic relief" to ease the audiences' anxiety (as well as dissipating any sense of heavy-handed melodrama).

The line also reinforced the narcissistic nature of Han's character, buffering any feeling that he was getting too selfless in his relationship to Leia.

A lot was accomplished with those two little words.

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#678982
Topic
Did they really need Carbon freezing scene in ESB?
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imperialscum said:


Mielr said:

It's arguably the best scene in the movie. So...yes. ;-)


 The film has many far better scenes.


That's why I said "arguably" and not "definitely". ;-)

But, it has the best line in the movie, IMO. I can't imagine ESB without that scene, or that line. The Vader/Luke revelation scene would probably be my #1, with the carbon freezing scene a close 2nd.