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#63352
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63352/action/topic#63352
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"I've only yet had time to check out ANH, but the commentary track on it is very sparse. Loooooong stretches goes by with no comments being made. So all-in-all it's no big sacrifice to drop it to get better sound-quality IMHO "

I made a submenu that jumps to each scene at the beginning of the commentary. No waiting necessary.

"the subtitles don't come up by default, you have to select them to turn them on."

I went ahead and burned my own Greedo subtitles into the MPEG so I wouldn't have to worry about this. I wonder if DVDLab could let me "force" subtitles on, just like I "force" the commentary soundtrack when you enter the commentary submenu. I'll have to check.
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#63308
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63308/action/topic#63308
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"and the best 2.0 sound."

You might want to simply call it stereo PCM, since "2.0" is generally used for Dolby Digital and/or DTS.

"Not sure why, but nobody seems to have collected all the extras into one set."

Depends on what you mean by "all". I just recently got some deleted footage from someone else, including a 2-second scene of 3PO pulling the warning from the door of a room containing wampas in ESB. I love that bit!

What "extras" were you looking for?
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#63077
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63077/action/topic#63077
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"are your cut/pastings going to bring the edit to be entirely true to the OT or a "best of both worlds" custom edit?"

Well, for one thing, I do like the new Yavin sequence, so it would be nice to add in a "seamless branching" aspect. It would be easier to add in a DL project.

"How much better in picture quality are the SE laserdiscs than the OT laserdiscs?"

I've not seen them, so I can only assume they would be better overall. I'm much more interested in the 5.1 soundtrack, which I could render to separate waves, reinsert the original dialogue when necessary ("You're lucky you don't taste good"/"Alert my shuttle"), and recompile to AC3 and use for my DVD.

"By how much does a transfer from PAL to NTSC lower quality?"

I really couldn't tell you. I would assume that changing the framerate shouldn't be much harder than converting from 30fps to 24fps, but again, I've never done it.
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#62925
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62925/action/topic#62925
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"But seriously I agree that that creating a 5.1 track from a source that is definitely not 5.1 will never be worth the effort, and I speak from experience. I have found TR47s PCM track incorporated with Pro Logic of my sound system that "forces" it to a 5.1 experience is more than adeqaute and sounds bloody fantastic, but like Laserman said if someone really wants to make a 5.1, by all means."

That's exactly how I made my 5.1 soundtrack. I used Graphedit to recreate a Pro-Logic II decoder, which extrapolated the 5 different wavetracks. I then encoded these separate eave tracks into an AC3. It's precisely what you would hear when forcing the PCM track through Pro Logic in your sound system - in a much smaller file size. Believe me, I spent a great deal of time perfecting this technique. I don't know how these other 5.1 tracks were made, but I seriously doubt they put as much effort and research into it as I did.

"when I watch both the anamorphic and TR47 versions and see the dust specs"

At one point, I did make my old version anamorphic, but I won't do that again until I get software that allows me to remove the dust specs and visual glitches.
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#62875
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62875/action/topic#62875
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"If you mean extract the closed caption data from line 21 of the NTSC signal"

Yeah, that's what I wanted. Thanks.

So, do you like the MainConcept encoder?

Wow, just looked at what was involved. Holy Cow!

Good thing I know how to use Graphedit (to make my 5.1 soundtrack.) I just noticed something, though:
The timecode is in SMPTE format, or hours:minutes:seconds:frames. Since Line 21 Closed Captions is an NTSC format, there are 29.97 frames per second. NTSC timecodes can be displayed in one of two slightly-different formats. In non-dropframe time base, frame counts are translated straight into SMPTE. This is the usual format for NTSC content that has no contact with a broadcast environment. For a broadcast setting, timecodes are easier to work with if you start with 30 frames per second and then subtract 3 % to get 29.97. This is called dropframe time base, and is accomplished by skipping the first two frames at the beginning of every minute for nine out of every ten minutes. Dropframe timecodes are distinguished from non-dropframe timecodes by changing the last colon into a semicolon (00:01:00;04 instead of 00:01:00:04). Note that the difference between non-dropframe and dropframe is purely in how timecodes are displayed; underneath, 29.97 frames are still passing every second. RAW2SCC uses non-dropframe time base by default. [Thanks to Dan Wilson for making this all clear to me.

If I'm not mistaken, this is discussing 23.976 fps, right?
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#62870
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62870/action/topic#62870
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"and the pan gets encoded at '11', and now looks sweeeet."

Say What!?! I thought the max rate was around 10 kbps. In fact, my intro was encoded at 9 kbps, and I was getting some stuttering from my player, so I re-encoded at 8 kbps and it was fine (although I think I was using CBR). Am I missing something?

"This is ultra simplified, but that is why VBR is usually better - The difficult scenes get a higher bitrate (less blockiness) than they could possibly get with CBR. If your software is crappy at analysis though, some static scenes may not get enough bitrare and look a little off.
Thats where the pro software is great, it allows you to set bitrates on a scene by scene basis if you are not happy with the automated process."

Oh no, it makes sense. I was thinking VBR for that very reason, but I just wanted to make sure CBR didn't have some advantage I wasn't aware of. I've been so efficiency-minded about this DVD and VBR, and I wanted to make sure it was still a better process when disc-space wasn't an issue.

BTW, Vegas uses the MainConcept encoder (and I have the stand-alone version as well.) Now, as far as I know, I don't recall a "scene-by-scene" setting, but I can highlight specific sections, and presumably combine the resulting MPEGS. Not the greatest method, but certainly workable. Of course, I'd have to have a good eye for which scenes deserve what kind of bit-rate, or a way of measuring potential bit-rates from the AVI.


//sigh....there's always something more, isn't there?

(BTW, the minimum setting I can achieve with this software is 192,000 bps. I've heard that using a setting of 0 is better, but it's not something I can do with this software. Your opinion?)

(Also forgot to add - it's a good thing I'm re-encoding anyways. I forgot to add my Greedo subtititles to my last MPEG! BTW, any idea how to get the Closed Captioning on capture? I was just curious, and thought it would be fun to add.)
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#62694
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62694/action/topic#62694
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Rikter! You're back!

"Single or Dual Layer mebejedi?"

Single. I don't have the funds to get a dual-layer burner yet. I still have the master files, though, so a future DL version is possible.

In fact, if I can get my MPEG to be 100 megs smaller, I can add my 5.1 soundtrack as well (not a big deal, really, but I am re-encoding from an average of 3,000,000 to 2,995,000 bits, just to see if it's enough. ) PCM, 5.1 (at 480 kbps), and the commentary track. Not too shabby, eh?

"I posted your other stuff off today too"

Cool! After this little experiment is done (it takes 18-20 hours), I'll send my current version to you and Rik.
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#62615
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62615/action/topic#62615
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Well, it's finally finished. I am now enjoying my revamped 24fps with 2-3 pulldown Star Wars DVD. Man, is it smooooth Barring software that would allow fro frame-by-frame restoration, this is about as good as it will get.

I even had enough room to use the original digital PCM track, since I got better video quality with a lower bitrate. A big THANKS to all the homies in this thread for putting up with my questions and mistakes.