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#79504
Topic
pal and interlaced material query
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"going to be capturing PAL from a LD and VCR so the captured material will be 25fps interlaced."

Hold on a second. What equipment, exactly, are you using? Is your LD player PAL? Is your VCR PAL?

If they aren't both PAL, I think you are going to have some problems. Furthermore, IF you could record a PAL signal on an NTSC VCR, it's going to record the signal as NSTC, which is 30fps interlaced. It's basically going to look like crap. If you want to record the LD signal, your best best is to capture it on the computer at its native rate, and make any necessary adjustments digitally.
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#79498
Topic
Info: Enough of the "Censorship" and "PURITY" threads
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"It is capatalistic to present those definitions and expect all others to agree to them."

Yet you expect everyone to "see some sense" and agree with you? Apparently anything that contradicts you is capitalistic. What a convenient way to negate everyone else's opinion (and I do mean everyone) I guess that's the extent one must go to when one is all there is who accept your argument.
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#79492
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"I agree with Daniel. At least I think I do. Sometimes I can't tell though."

Do you believe my changes amount to censorship?

Do you believe my changes are the product of, or result in inceasing or descreasing Capitalism?

Do you believe my changes have anything to do with EULA?

Do you believe my changes have anything to do with contractual law?

Do you believe my changes promote Australia over America? (I'd love to hear Laserman weigh in on this one.)

So far as I can see, your answers are going to be "no". Insofar as agreeing the tranfers shouldn't be altered, I know you agree with him, and that's fine, but I made in clear in my thread MONTHS AGO that I was planning on an "original" transfer as well. Whatever made you guys think I was only capable (legally or morally) of making only one transfer is beyond me.

"No, everything I stated was true."

No. It's all bullcrap and opinion. You know nothing of my stance or beliefs on EULA or contractual law, and yet here you are, telling everyone about who I am. Considering how many of your PMs I've ignored in the past, how the hell can you know these things?
"Their argument crumbles anyway. MBJ and Zion both agree that 1. you can't notice the changes, and 2. they don't matter. They seem to use this argument in the sense that we should therefore accept the changes. But in doing so it raises two counter questions. 1. if you can't notice the changes, why put them there? and 2. if they don't matter than why does it matter so much to have them edited?

This, however, is a good point, and one that MBJ and Zion have not presented an argument against. "
First of all, I don't have to satisfy anyone's answers in regards to my transfer (you know, that whole "personal rights" thing you were talking about - despite the fact you keep insisting I don't have the right to make these changes to begin with.)

Secondly, just to make everything nice and simple and clear - WHEN YOU SPEND A MONTH WORKING ON THESE FILMS FRAME BY FRAME (you know, actually putting time and effort into the best transfer possible? Oh no, you two wouldn't know JACK about that...my bad. ), THESE LITTLE THINGS TEND TO STICK OUT. SINCE COMBUSTION MAKES SUCH CORRECTIONS NICE AND EASY, I DECIDED TO TRY IT OUT ON THESE SCENES. GUESS WHAT? IT WORKS GREAT!

See....at no point was I thinking about censorship, EULA, contractual law, or the superiority of America over Australia. I JUST DID IT BECAUSE I COULD. If Daniel really wants to bitch about it, he can complain to Laserman, a fellow Australian, for giving me the software in the first place.

In fact, Laserman, a fellow Australian. had no problem with the changes!?! According to you, this should be impossible. Of course, this presumes your opinion is "true", which of course, it isn't. In fact, he, like many others, have told you to make your own transfer, and your only response is "That's what Lucas would say", so apparently anyone who makes their own transfer is a dirty capitalistic American - too bad for Dr. Gonzo, TR47, ISOMIX, moth3r, etc. and anyone else who makes their own transfer.

Of course, you'll probably say something along the lines of "Theirs is like Lucas'", to which I would respond that theirs are also made by different versions of the various NTSC LDs, which you repeatedly call inferior to the PAL versions. Since they obviously aren't using the best version possible, then you should call them out on their lack of love in regards to making the truest version possible. Also, since you, yourself live in PAL land, YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN "LUCAS-PERFECT" TRANSFER!

Speaking of which, Lucas had to become quite the capitalist in order to fund and create the OT to begin with. Capitalism made these films that you love so much, and don't want changed! Any comment on that disparity?

"You seem to be of the opinion that if your signature is on a contract, then it doesn't matter if you can understand it - you are bound by it [as is evident by calling what I said bullcrap]. This does not help your case, but it does help mine.)"

Take some time to read through this thread - not one person accepts your "case". ONE!

"SO IS MAKING COPIES OF THE LD'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC! (No shit!)
When the hell are you going to address this simple point? (When did I claim it was my right?)
you need to stop accusing everyone else of breaking the law. (As we all know, I didn't accuse you I merely pointed out it is not your right as you claimed it to be.)"


First of all, if you are telling someone they are doing something illegal, you are telling them that they are breaking the law. Those things are kinda synonymous, at least in American.

Secondly, let me point out the retardness of your stance. You and I are both speeding down the highway (we both help distribute LD copies). You look over at me in my car and start screaming at me because I am driving without a seatbelt (making changes in my transfer). You claim that, in a legal sense, it's a greater offense to make these changes than the original speeding (or, at least, you continue to focus on the changes, and ignore the speeding issue altogether.) You know what the cops are going to notice first? THE SPEEDING (distributing LD copies.)

[A Few Good Men] "Thank you for playing "Should We or Should-We-Not Follow the Advice of the Galacticly Stupid". [/A Few Good Men]

"(Capitalism. "If I was to censor the media you wouldn't know because I am the government."

Bwah-ha-ha-ha - Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

You don't even know what the Hell capitalism (or even censorship) really is, AND THESE ARE THE MAJOR BASIS OF YOUR ARGUMENT. Just goes to show the "worth" of your argument.

"I move over for no one, I can do whatever I want because I am in control."

You've not budged either, and YES, I AM in control of my transfer. Sucks to be you.

"(Who are you trying to convince? Me?"

...as is everyone else who has responded in this thread. So much for my changes being such an earth-shattering affront to SW fans everywhere. LOL!

"The silent voices? The undecided?"

According to you, they don't matter....you know, "the number you've got hanging out of your butt.", or at least wish you did in this thread. Of course, there were these statements...
"S64, i continue to agree with you."

"so we're all in the same boat there."

Seems to me you are trying really hard to make a consensus here. Too bad it's not working (for you, at least.)

"Whether or not people know is irrelevant - it's the chance they have to know."
"You cannot sign something you don't understand and be legally binded to it."

According to you, "knowing" is relevant.

"but I'm not attacking its popularity"

Based on the positive responses I've recieved, you are.

"What a capitalistic statement."

See above about your severe lack of knowledge considering this term. As you said, "knowing" is relevant.

"Skeg, I don't see how making comments to American culture is wrong. For instance, America is the fattest nation in the world with 29% of people overweight."

Too bad it has nothing to do with SW LD's, but since you've clearly lost that argument, it's obviously time for you to find something else to poke holes in. LOL! Now, we've simply narrowed it down to "MeBeJedi made changes -> he's an American -> America is bad -> Americans are bad -> MeBeJedi's changes are bad."

So, tell me, skeg64 - are you still in agreement with DanielB?

"That's what I put to you MeBeJedi. Instead of counting the number of people who tell you this, decide for yourself are you going to listen to what I have to say?"

Why should I listen to you over them? Isn't the fact that I am listening to them go against this "My way or the highway" belief you have? No one else has a problem with this anywhere near the same extent as you. Why should I pay attention to the extreme fringe (and a racist one at that?) Why should I change my mind for you, when you have utter contempt for Americans as a whole? (Ironic coming from someone whose country started as a penal colony. )

Case in point: "I cannot stress this enough: He lies because he believes it is his right."

Futhermore, why would someone who claims to believe in "personal rights" have a problem with someone else exercising their own "personal right". I guess their rights end where yours begin? LOL!

"The capitalistic person believes it is his right to lie."

The way you lied about my stance on EULA? Did Laserman lie when he complimented my work?

"he's grown up in a capatalistic society that have forced their views on him. But he can rise above it."

You are so far gone, it's not even funny anymore. BTW, are you also accusing everyone else in this thread who agrees with me as lying without knowing about it? Does this apply to Laserman as well?
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#79468
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"MeBeJedi I just spent the better part of an hour deleting spyware shit that my 12-year-old brother infected the PC with. You seem to be the kind of person that would claim it is your right to put in an EULA "we will put some invasive software on your PC" - without actually saying it like that, and making it seem more normal, and then use bait-software to infect people with invasive software that earns you revenue. That of course is not your right, and it is a completely illegal contract under Australian law. To explain this to you so you'd actually understand would take hours, so I'll give you the basic picture."

LOL. Making up more bullshit to paint me as the bad guy. Can you really not get over the fact that the people in your own thread support me over you? Is anyone else getting as big a laugh over these gross mischaracterizations as I am?

(BTW, it WAS me who put the Spyware on your computer. Speaking of which, what the Hell's up with all the migdet porn? )

"that is illegal."

SO IS MAKING COPIES OF THE LD'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC! When the fuck are you going to address this simple point? If Lucas is going to go after anyone, it's going to be the person who puts copies on the Internet, moreso than someone who copies the LDs to their harddrive. You, yourself, PMed me (as well as others) for copies, and I know you've given copies away. Until you stop your own "illegal activies", you need to stop accusing everyone else of breaking the law.

"As you can see I'm all for personal rights. I'm not capitalistic, I do not believe in censorship....Now I know how capatalistic America really is."

Mine and Zion's LD's have nothing to do with Capitalism, moron - unless you want to include the money we spent to get the necessary materials for these LD transfers. This is just another sad attempt at blanket mischaracterizations. Hooray for Australia (which, by the way, allows for capitalism within its borders. )

"Please don't mix up our words, nor create arguments about our use of the words 'should', 'shouldn't', 'right' and 'wrong'."

DanielB is the one confusing the word "shouldn't" with "can't", and deliberately focusing on a lesser illegal act (copying/changing LDs) while ignoring a greater illegal act (distributing copies to the public.)

"and to "fix" them shows you hate the films the way they were originally!"

Again, your opinion. If I were to put one of my versions on the internet, and you watched it at regular viewing speed, you wouldn't know if the fixes were there or not.

And as to me "hating" the films the way they were originally - fuck you very much. More blanket mischaracterizations. You guys really need to get a grip on that sort of thing. I've spent far more money, time and effort on these films than you could ever hope to, and intend to work on a "original theatrical" version as well. But hey, if it makes you feel better to paint me as a bad guy in some misguided atttempt to embarrass me into removing the lightsaber fixes, go right on ahead, but it only makes you look small-minded.

"Their argument crumbles anyway."

Not one person has agreed with yours. ONE!

"As any true american they don't want to move over for anyone."

Yeah, I really see you budging. Get off your ass and make your own, crybaby. Oh, "Hooray for Australia" again...

"But instead you made lemonade"

Don't watch it. You'll live.

"Not one person in this thread is not fustrated, so we're all in the same boat there."

Not one person has agreed with yours. ONE!
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#79349
Topic
Censorship of the original films
Time
" than nothing short a direct copy of the original theatrical release should make you happy"

In that same vein, Daniel needs to get an LD player, since the video and audio is uncompressed and undigitized. The LD's are the last, best copy of the original films, bar none. Digitally converting the video to MPEG creates quite a few changes on its own (color, artifacts, brightness, etc.) and therefore should be unacceptable to DanielB even without any changes.


....that is, if he wants to be consistent about this whole thing. Of course, if he chooses to be hypocritical about this as well....
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#79339
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"Oh and by the way, you do not have the right to "do whatever I want with my transfer on my computer". It is illegal. It is not your right, and that you believe it is your right does not make it so"

First of all, that's something Lucas would say.

Secondly, guess what - I did it ! What are you going to do? Tell Lucas on me? LOL!

BTW, any transfer that anyone makes, with or without changes, is illegal. Are you going to tell TR47 and Gonzo to remove their versions from the Internet as well? LOL!

"There are multiple other LD conversions to choose from."

Agreed. I've not done anything to affect TR47's and Gonzo's versions, though it's beginning to sound like Daniel's throwing the baby out with the bathwater on this issue. Talk about being hypocritical - he continues to remind me how illegal it is to make changes, and keeps ignoring how illegal it to put these transfers on the 'Net. And if he sells them, like TR47, that's an even bigger no-no! If you want to make a real point, then please be consistent regarding the "legality" of these transfers as a whole. When you decide to tell Lucas on us, tell him I said "hi", okay?
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#79307
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"Picasso - All prints of paintings done by Picasso are edits."

Didn't Picasso paint over the paintings he didn't like, or was that someone else?

"What if the original Picasso was destroyed in a museum fire?
Then wouldn't the truest reproduction be the most important thing to preserve?"


No offense, but we are nowhere near that scenario.

"@MBJ: true about the rights to distribute it, but that's a different argument. You didn't really make a point against my Ark thingy."

Then let me be more blunt, I have the right to do whatever I want with my transfer on my computer. Please point out where your or DanielB's beliefs affect that in any way. Otherwise, this "no right to change it" really doesn't exist except in a legal aspect. You may wish we didn't have the right to change it otherwise, but that doesn't make it real.

"Yes the other versions are named by their creators, but that's only to us. To the general public, or the "world" they are still the original movies that have been transferred (to varying degrees of success). Edited versions could not be viewed by the "world" as representations of the original films."

That reasoning hasn't stopped the SW DVD's from breaking sale records.

"That's a terrible argument. If digital technology had existed in 1934 then surely King Kong would have been done digitally. Therefore we should edit King Kong and replace it with the digital version from Peter Jackson's new version....
As cliche as this sounds, that is the exact reason Lucas gave for his 1997 SE's."


Just because it can, doesn't mean it should or would. Spielburg doesn't want digital cameras, and many directors/effects shops still prefer models and physical effects over CG. Not everyone is Lucas.

Then again, the technology Lucas used at the time was groundbreaking and highly experimental. He even built computers to control the cameras! Nonetheless, I don't see anyone here complaining about that!
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#79295
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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Not too shabby there.

That was actually in my signature on TF.n. LOL

"See, the OT is the Ark and we have no right to screw with it."

What we don't have the right to is distributing copies of it, even for free on MySpleen. I suppose this means we should stop that as well, or does your reasoning stop there?

"But then it will never be anything except that, your version.:

To be far - to my knowledge, the Gonzo and TR47 versions don't have such changes, and yet they are still referred to by the names of their makers (or distributor, in TR47's case.)
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#79286
Topic
combustion v after effects
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Laserman would have to answer this, as I've only used Combustion, and I know he's used both. I've done some matting in Vegas, but I've not tried it in Combustion yet. I have played around with remove the "orange glow" under the landspeeder in the Tatooine shot, but I haven't gotten acceptable results with cut/paste, so I'll have to learn how to matte in this program.

"I'm less bothered about fixing spots and tears, but if it's easy enough in after effects, it might be worth fixing some of the more glaring ones in ANH."

Yeah, I'm getting too anal for my own good about the little spots, but Combustion makes it sooooo damn easy, it's not even funny.
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#79275
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"then it is hypercritical of you to ask Lucas to do so."

But he's not waiting for Lucas to do so, in case you hadn't noticed. Unlike you, he's doing something constructive about it.

"I don't care what you say."

That is what Lucas would say.

"how do you think the art community would react to you and MebeJedi editing your prints of the painting and then distributing it?"

Let's use the analogy of rhis thread - you are the only one who feels so extreme about this . Even skeg64 isn't being the SW Nazi you are being about this. It's one thing not to like these changes - it's another to attempt to add weight to one's personal feelings by "painting" these attempts as an affront to all SW fans in general (especially when they clearly don't support you in your own thread!)

"Please see sense."

Again, you are the only one in this thread who feels this way. What does that say about your viewpoint? Are all of the rest of us "wrong"?

"Yes, you could Daniel ~ If you bought it that painting is yours man, YOU could even do a #1 and a #2 on it THEN IF you wished sell it as a "GG Allen revisionist" piece on eBay!"

Agreed. There's a difference between "can" and "should". As guilty as I thought OJ Simpson was, I hated the fact that his Heisman trophy was bought and destroyed to make a point. The trophy had nothing to do with the crime, and represented a completely different time in his life.

Nonetheless, it was bought legally, and everyone knew what was going to happen to it. Seems people can do what they want to something they legally own (not that any one of us has the legal right to give away even an unaltered version of these LD's, but curiously Daniel seems to gloss over this obvious point.)
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#79241
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"tha[n] anything that they are doing is so minor that its insignificant."

Agreed. And just to point out to any people not aware of the infamous "changes", here they are again. (you have to watch the MPEG very closely to catch them, they're that good. )

http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/lightsaber1.jpg
http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/lightsaber2.jpg
http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/lightsaber3.jpg
http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/lightsaber4.jpg
http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/lightsaber5.jpg

And a small clarification..."They all want new fresh digital effects."

Nothing in those scenes is "fresh" or "new". I took existing lightsaber effects and copy\pasted them where the effect was not correct. Speaking of fixing bad effects...

http://www.aptirrelevance.com/~original/glitch03.jpg
I sure didn't hear anyone complain about this fix. Curious...
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#79231
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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"I'm willing to forget you called me that, despite the fact that I did post a warning explicitly stating that that the post might rattle you up."

What rattled me up was the sheer audacity of you to presume this project, or any of the changes in it, was in any way motivated by greed. But hey, make up whatever you want to paint me as the Darth Vader of LD transfers. LOL! I'm sure everyone else sees right through you.

"That is what Lucas would say."

LOL. So someone who doesn't do it your way is lumped in with Lucas?

"They all want to do it their way."

I don't hear you complaining about Lucas having this attitude when he first made the OT. Perhaps, then, it's not always a bad thing?

And I'm guessing it's the fear of putting yourself in this very category that's preventing you from making your own version?

Oh, and still waiting for someone in this thread to support your stance. Curious...
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#79213
Topic
***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
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"Anyway, I just wanted to say that I like what I see so far MeBe."

Thanks. My initial MPEG looks okay, but whiel I've gotten rid of the small specks, I'm tempted to run the AVI through the MSI smoother (noise remover?) because there are some large blankets of discoloration and changing colors that would be difficult to really address properly. I'll try to get some screenshots available, but the real difference is in the video - it's difficult for me to watch ISMOMIX's version (the only one I have on DVD) because of the glitches and such. This is not to say his transfer is flawed, since my LD's suffer the same problems. It's just that after spending 2 months removing all that crap, it really sticks out to me now. I may create some "before/after" videos of the worst parts just to illustrate the difference.

Oh, and apparently VirtualDub is better at pointing out some of these glitches than Combustion. I've apparently missed a few, and so am using the programs concurrently for the second wave. (Hey, might as well finish the clean-up job.)

As for DanielB, be careful not to feed the trolls.
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#79187
Topic
<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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"That said, MBJ's 5.1 is quite promising (the sample sounded GREAT) due to the hard work that has gone into it."

It sure took a lot of work to find and perfect the process (as opposed to simply dropping the PCM track into any AC3 encoder). I think I posted the directions in one of the threads here.