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#107955
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107955/action/topic#107955
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"thanks to Masta Windu's purple power-stick?"

LOL

"I already have MF's versions (which are canon, as far as I'm concerned)."

He'd be happy to hear that.

"Please fix these issues by removing the orange scorch marks and making Dooku's stumps red instead of black."

Would you like to have the non-cauterized blood removed from ANH as well?

"I think it was an error"

I think it was an effect.
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#107915
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107915/action/topic#107915
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" Perhaps Palpatines non-human aides were just tokens so that he wouldn't appear racist until he had absolute power. After the war he could persuade the public with such ideas as "It was the Nemoidians who started this war; it's the aliens' faults!"

That's a good point. There's no way he could have gotten anywhere near the Chancellorship if he publicly showed distain for non-humans.

"Oh, right. He meant save for two."

Actually, I was only taking Dengar into account - I though Boba was the no-brainer, especially after AOTC.
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#107864
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107864/action/topic#107864
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I just noticed this:

"Just as a sidenote: Mas Amedda never made sense to me. It's quite clear in the OT that Palpatine's regime DID NOT include aliens or women. EVERYONE was Human. Why then, does he always have this alien by his side in the Prequels? And whatever happened to Mas Amedda in the OT, and Sly Moore (a female alien) for that matter? "

I guess Darth Maul, being a Zabrak, didn't make sense to you either?

Palps may not like aliens, but to be honest, he doesn't like anyone, and everyone is simply a tool to him. Maul served his purpose, as did Amedda and Moore. Nothing more, nothing less.

Vader emphasizes this with the bounty hunters in ESB (though I think there's more emphasis placed on the fact that they are bounty hunters, as opposed to being non-human, save for one.)
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#108006
Topic
What is everyone’s view on the “prophecy?”
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108006/action/topic#108006
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" no but when your talking about light and dark a balance i think would mean equal amounts of both or like a 60-40 mix. the jedi order was getting to the point were they were 100-0. "

Yet Lucas doesn't state anything to this extent. This isn't a math test, folks. People can go right on ahead pretending what they think "balance" to mean, but Lucas has stated, over and over, that "balance" is achieved when Anakin kills Palpatine. Anything beyond that is your own thinking, not Lucas'.

[EDIT] Ah, I found it. This reminds me of the "Johnny hates cheese" scenario.

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TWD: One day, little Johnny came home from school and asked his mother to make him a cheese sandwhich. Johnny liked cheese sandwhiches very much, and eating one would please the young child.

FANBOY: Johnny hates cheese!

TWD: Come again?

FB: Johnny hates cheese!

TWD: Well, with all due respect, it's my story, and I should know whether or not this character I made up likes cheese or not.

FB: But I like cheese, and I don't like Johnny! So JOhnny doesn't like cheese!

TWD: Didn't you hear the part where I said that eating a cheese sandwhich would please the child?

FB: Irrelevant! He hates cheese dammit! His mom likes cheese!

TWD: His mom was the one who made him the sandwhich. She, herself, isn't the cheese affectionado.

FB: Fool! His mom loves cheese! Not Johnny Lame-o!

TWD: I give up! What's the use of me telling a story if you're just going to make up your own?
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#107827
Topic
What is everyone’s view on the “prophecy?”
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107827/action/topic#107827
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Right here.

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"... and in the time of greatest despair,
there shall come a savior, and he shall
be known as The Son of The Sun."

Journal of the Whills, 3:127 - starwars.com - Episode IV - Classic Moments - "The Son of the Sun"
Many people wonder who the real Chosen One is, and I want to know whether it's Luke or Anakin Skywalker?

While I imagine this was one of those subjects meant to spark debate and discussion, George Lucas has stated in interviews that Anakin Skywalker is indeed the Chosen One. As far as the prophecy goes, Anakin brings balance to the Force since it is he who disposes of the imbalance. That is, he kills Emperor Palpatine in Return of the Jedi. Sure, Luke is the catalyst for this turn of events, but it is ultimately Anakin who makes the choice. - Insider Magazine
"The part I am working on now [ROTJ] is mostly about Darth Vader, who he is, where he came from, how he became Luke and Leia's father, what his relationship to Ben is. In Jedi, the film is really about the redemption of this fallen angel.. Ben is the fitting good angel, and Vader is the bad angel who started off good. All these years Ben has been waiting for Luke to come of age so that he can become a Jedi and redeem his father. That's what Ben has been doing, but you dont get this in the first film." - George Lucas: Annotated Screenplays

Should Anakin have been trained?

"GL: I think it is obvious that he was wrong in Episode 1 and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The Phantom Menace refers to the force of the dark side of the Universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader - also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction, and Qui-Gonn are correct - Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor." - CUT magazine interview

"Sam Davatchi's website reports that George Lucas told a reporter for Studio Magazine that Anakin is indeed the one who brings balance to the force. In this interview, Lucas said that Anakin vanquished the Emperor and brought balance to the Force, although he did need help from Luke to do so. In addition, Lucas said that Anakin is the only person who could do that, because he is the only one who had enough power and was close enough to the emperor to destroy him. As pointed out by Cinescape Online, this fits into the following statement made by Lucas in the Making of Episode I book: "The mystery around [the chosen one] theory is that we don't know yet whether the chosen one is a good or bad person. He is to bring balance to the Force; but at this point, we don't know what side of the Force needs to be balanced out." (6/18/99)." - 1. In general, what will the New Trilogy be about?

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic; which is it's getting tired, old, it's getting corrupt. There's the rise of the Sith, who are now becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this you have Anakin Skywalker: a young boy who's destined to be a very significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and the Republic.

In the second film, we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Replublic, sorta the beginning of the end of the Republic, and it's Anakin Skyalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of anger, hatred, sense of loss, possessiveness, jealousy, and the other things he's coping with.

Then we will get to the 3rd film, where he is seduced to the dark side, which brings up to films four, five, and six, where Anakin's offspring redeem him allowing him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe. - George Lucas - from the American ANH VHS tape in the making of Episode II in the 2000 release.

"Lucas: The midi-chlorians have brought Anakin into being as 'the chosen one' who brings balance to the universe." - The Making of Episode 1, Random House, 1999.

"Profession: Chosen One" - AOTC DVD: supplementary materials: promotional TV spots: Anakin Skywalker:

It justifies, because you know Anakin and Obi-Wan have it out, but Anakin is the chosen one-he is supposed to be the best. But he comes out on the shorter end of the stick in the fight. It justifies it really nicely as the fight progresses." - Hayden Christensen
Once all six films are complete, the following will make a nice audio and visual climax. We have determined that that was a statue of the Emperor falling and speculated that he was holding a "Peace Ball", but now that we have SEEN that, what do we hear? When panning over the crowd, you hear 2 people shouting something. One is undecipherable, the other is someone shouting "The son of suns, The son of suns!" Speculation at the time was that they were referring to Anakin and that he had saved the universe as some sort of prophet, and at the time, all we could do is wait and see if it would be explained...

Well, in some ways, the wait is over. At the end of The Phantom Menace in the parade scene, right after the ships fly over the parade, you hear it again. - Not someone else shouting "The son of suns, The son of suns!" but the same person, the same 5 second sound, tone, etc... it is the same sound byte, listen:"The Son of Suns" from ROTJ and The Son of Suns" from TPM - http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/tfn.cgi?storyID=3514
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#107749
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107749/action/topic#107749
Time
"Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...

"But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here."


Regardless of what Obi-wan mentioned or believed, Dooku was Palpatine's apprentice, and he even called him "Darth Tyrannus" at the end of AOTC. Being raised from birth as a Sith, or being tricked out of the Jedi order doesn't change that fact at all. Sith manipulate everyone - even other Sith. That doesn't change their relationship. If fact, it defines it.

"One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the dark side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually, there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, become the master, and so on. But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." - Bill Moyers Interview Lucas: Ex-Jedi Dooku - later revealed to be a Sith Lord, Darth Tyranus - not only served as the movie's principal antagonist, but was also a means for Lucas to illustrate a number of important story points. "I needed to get across the point that Jedi can leave the Order," Lucas explained, "to set up what happens with Anakin later on. Also, in the end, when you realize that Dooku is Darth Tyranus, it explains what Darth Sidious did after Darth Maul was killed: he seduced a Jedi who had become disenchanted with the Republic. He preyed on that disenchantment and converted him to the Dark Side, which is also a setup for what happens to Anakin. - Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones