Mavimao

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

According to this article, the entire saga is coming out in the 4K format:

http://fr.ign.com/m/star-wars-8/32785/feature/la-saga-star-wars-bientot-en-4k-ultra-hd

Haha, this paragraph cracks me up:
Un accord entre Disney et Fox aurait été trouvé. Avec le rachat du second par le premier juste avant Noël, on imagine bien que les négociations - difficiles jusqu’à présent - entre les deux parties se sont vu énormément facilitées.

TRANSLATION: An agreement between Disney and Fox might have been found. Now that the former has purchased the latter just before Christmas, we can imagine that the previously difficult negotiations between the two parties has been enormously facilitated.

MalàStrana said:

Hum… I may be wrong about that. I remember I read a long time ago that Spielberg used an experimental digital camera to shoot the beginning of Private Ryan, but I cannot find sources about that.

I sincerely doubt he used a digital camera at that point in time. It’s 35mm with the protective filters peeled off the lenses and the shutter angle changed from 180° to 45-90°. This creates the staccato effect.

Source: https://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/1103-Fall-2011/Shot-to-Remember-Saving-Private-Ryan.aspx

Awesome Harmy! So when you’re not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box? Cells.

Mike O said:

Mavimao said:

Glad you enjoyed it Harmy!

So a couple years ago, I watched all the versions of THX side to side so I have a pretty good idea at what the differences are and where to find them. Also, as the creator of the Grindhouse version, I can safely say that while it wouldn’t be impossible to despecialize the film using the Bluray, anyone attempting this is going to run into the following issues:

1. The computer screens: all of the warning signs are in Italian on the print and therefore the only other sources we have are faded and cropped 16mm prints and the LD. These were all changed for the BD.

2. The scene with THX and SRT in the room with the fetuses: this occurs at a reel change and there is a good chunk of footage missing on the print at this point in time. To make matters worse, the bottles were ‘enhanced’ on the BD, so this would require some kind of rotoscoping using the LD or the 16mm prints.

3. The sunset ending: It’s a shame that the end titles are in Italian on the print because the BD sunset has some weird halo-ing artifacts around THX (noise reduction artifacts?). Maybe this can be fixed…?

TL;DR: It’s a shame we don’t have any more sources to work from like we do for Star Wars.

Perhaps another print will show up one day?

One can hope!

Glad you enjoyed it Harmy!

So a couple years ago, I watched all the versions of THX side to side so I have a pretty good idea at what the differences are and where to find them. Also, as the creator of the Grindhouse version, I can safely say that while it wouldn’t be impossible to despecialize the film using the Bluray, anyone attempting this is going to run into the following issues:

1. The computer screens: all of the warning signs are in Italian on the print and therefore the only other sources we have are faded and cropped 16mm prints and the LD. These were all changed for the BD.

2. The scene with THX and SRT in the room with the fetuses: this occurs at a reel change and there is a good chunk of footage missing on the print at this point in time. To make matters worse, the bottles were ‘enhanced’ on the BD, so this would require some kind of rotoscoping using the LD or the 16mm prints.

3. The sunset ending: It’s a shame that the end titles are in Italian on the print because the BD sunset has some weird halo-ing artifacts around THX (noise reduction artifacts?). Maybe this can be fixed…?

TL;DR: It’s a shame we don’t have any more sources to work from like we do for Star Wars.

I can’t say for the 70s and early 80s, but during the late 80s and until 97, Star Wars was just… there. Three highly regarded films that people loved, but that’s about it.

I would even say that Star Wars kinda stagnated in the 90s. There were video games and novels, but they were really only for fans.

The Special Editions pumped life into it and then the prequels ignited the super franchise fire that we have today.

I also think that because people who grew up on the films are now adults has a lot to do with the superfandom it has today. They’re buying tickets and making their kids watch these movies who want to buy toys and dress up for Halloween…rince, repeat.

I’ve only seen the film in Dolby Cinema and THAT was pretty gnarly. Even had reclining seats, free drink, inky blacks and Atmos sound… It was pretty cool.

My stepdad and wife were actually truly surprised to find out that Tarkin was a digital creation. (They figured Carrie Fisher was one).

My one real issue with the R1 Tarkin is that he was too expressive. Cushing’s performance in ANH was much more subtle so it therefore no longer felt like the same performance. Were it another actor, it’d be different - a different interpretation if you will. But because his face was realistically recreated, it made all of the grimacing and snarling and raised eyebrows that more off putting.

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

NFBisms said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

SW is nothing like the MCU. And I say that mostly liking the MCU.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/75245044/it-will-be.jpg)

TLJ has set things up perfectly for the franchise to fit in the mold.

TLJ does more to show that it won’t be tbh, but I have thought it would become more MCU-like since the announcement of standalone films.

This. I honestly don’t understand the opposite mindset.

My explanation is, because you approach TLJ from the perspective of a fan of both the series, and the film itself. Having spoken with a few of my friends who are not Star Wars fans, but liked TLJ, they liked TLJ, precisely because it is a more an MCU type movie with fun characters and lots of humor, and not the typical Star Wars film. In my view it has all the hallmarks of a MCU film. Even it’s Jedi heroine is more the super hero type, having been magically given these amazing super powers, like so many of the MCU heroes, while it’s villain is irredeemably evil waiting to be dispatched, and replaced by the next villain of the month.

Well obviously I disagree completely, but especially about the villain. The MCU is of course infamous for its shit villains. But Kylo Ren is quite possibly (and I say this with sincerity) already one of the all time great villains.

I also thought he was a great villain in TFA and to a somewhat lesser degree in TLJ, but much of the complexity, conflict, and family history that made him interesting to me have been removed when he replaced Snoke, and was given up upon by Luke and his mother. He’s now irredeemably evil it seems, ready to be dispatched.

I don’t see how getting rid of Snoke makes him anything but more interesting, and I think on the second part, you’re misreading it entirely.

Kylo Ren is Darth Vader in reverse. He starts out as the complex, and conflicted villain, but as the trilogy progresses, he becomes more, and more the one note evil villain Vader was in ANH. As a villain his arc is more or less completed. He’s rejected his family, killed the past, and taken his master’s place. He now rules the galaxy. All his family is dead. Since I don’t expect he will be redeemed in episode IX, the only thing left for him to do is die.

You’re missing the nuance. Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader and is supposedly all ready to destroy everything and take control of whatever is rest. But there’s more going on there. He thinks he knows what he wants, but it’s not that simple. When the dice disappear and Rey shuts the door on him, it’s clear that what he has now is really nothing at all. He’s just as conflicted as ever, if not more so.

I didn’t think about that. Nice one!

A very insightful review of TLJ by none other than Hideo Kojima.

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/kojima-star-wars-in-the-era-of-disney-w514793

DrDre said:

Mrebo said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

I think the need to tell vs. show comes down to what matters to the story. Which matters more, what came before or what is happening now? The dialog satisfied me. Luke saw a darkness that scared him and instinctively drew and ignited his lightsaber. The fear passed, reason returned, but the damaged had been done it was the final straw that broke Ben Solo and turned him into Kylo Ren. Leia and Han sending Ben off to what amounts to boarding school with his uncle didn’t turn out well. The reasons for the past actions are not as important as how the characters react and develop in the current story. Luke is now a supporting role, not a starring role. How this relates to Rey and Kylo is the story at hand and we are given enough to justify the current state of affairs. Luke was always a bit petulant and his reaction to the events at his new Jedi temple are just an older version of the whiny farm boy who complained about not getting to go to Toche Station. Yes he has grown, but the trait remains, as it does with most people.

Rey has her own journey and that is what the story was focused on. She is trying to find her role and Luke did not help her at all, except for giving her access to the Jedi texts (which she stole… or scavanged?). Luke is now in the Ben Kenobi role.

I find it funny that we got so much more from Luke on how Kylo Ren fell than we got from Ben Kenobi back in 77. Have we asked the question of why Ben was in the Tatooine desert? He was a powerful Jedi Knight. What is he doing there? He tells us a great deal, but didn’t show us anything. And it turns out, as the story developed, that what he told Luke was a pack of lies. A carefully orchestrated story to get Luke involved and start his training. Why didn’t Ben fight to the death to try to defeat Vader and Palpatine. Luke is facing a much larger foe. Rather than 2 sith it is a whole band of dark knights and Snoke. The combination of scope of his failure plus the might of those massed against him and it makes sense. We don’t need more than what we were told.

The difference is that we grew to know and love the character of Luke in the OT before seeing him being this broken douchebag in TLJ. Add to this, that Obi-Wan is a far more sympathetic character in ANH than Luke is in TLJ.

The fact that so many people were turned off by Luke’s characterization to me is a good indication we needed more than we were told. I know, I did.

I think the question is why you were turned off. And from what you describe your image of Luke being, I think the movie had an answer for you. Luke is a man not a legend. He really answers the question of why he didn’t fight when Rey asks him to return. He’s not a Legend with a laser sword.

Part of the issue, for me at least, is I never envisioned Luke as a “Legend.” I don’t see Dre making that claim either. The few lines in that direction in the new films fell flat for me. The view I see being expressed, that I share, concerns Luke as the person in the OT.

Exactly! We witnessed Luke the person in the OT, and not some legend. Our expectations are based in how Luke grew as a character in the OT, and how that character reacted to setbacks, challenges, and disappointment.

The “legend” line in TLJ feels like a weak excuse for explaining the lack of development of the transition in Luke’s character. It sort of paints the older generation of fans as idiots, as if we didn’t understand the character, but RJ does. As if we believed jn this idealized version, “the legend”, and he’s going to show us the real Like.

36 year old fan here: I felt like this Luke Skywalker definitely fell in line with the Luke we grew up with. Abeit one who made a mistake and can’t help but hide in shame.

The funny thing is: I was expecting a curmudgeon Luke when TFA came out. I mean, they pretty much set it up in that film. Jedi school gets wiped out by Kylo, Luke runs off to find the Jedi temple (looking for answers?), and doesn’t find solace and decides that life isn’t worth living.

You obviously don’t have kids. He’s saying that his newborn takes up so much of his time that it was a miracle he found any.

Ryan said:

nhoj3 said:

By the time I got to see the movie and find this thread, it was already 76 pages long. I slogged through the first 40 before I started seeing the same posters cycling through the arguments again and again.

I can’t contribute anything that hasn’t already been said over and over other than:

a) I’ve only seen the film once (lucky to at all with a newborn),
b) I came out of the theatre conflicted about whether I actually enjoyed it,
c) I’ve thought about the film everyday since I saw it, and finally
d) I like it less and less each and every day.

Perhaps subsequent viewings may soften my stance, but as for now:

a) I won’t pay to see it again theatrically, and
b) Barring a major course correction it will be the last Star Wars movie I see theatrically.

I don’t disagree the political arc chosen for TFA and TLJ is a “realistic” or even “probable” one, and that the Rebel Alliance couldn’t establish a utopian government post ROTJ. Despite feeling like a rehash, I was willing to buy into that “reality” with TFA.

The travesty here is the character arc chosen for Luke. Despite all pro-TLJ lobbying, I simply cannot believe that this hero would have responded the way he does in TLJ.

I don’t want my heroes to be “fallen”. Some may applaud a “James Bond” movie where the protagonist is portrayed as a recovering alcoholic and sexual predator as “realistic” or “honest”, but that’s not why I would choose to watch a Bond movie. And that’s why TLJ will be the last Star Wars film that I see in theatres, the same way I stopped going to see “dark and gritty” DCEU movies after “Man of Steel”.

To be honest, I would rather they never had made the ST and I wish that Mark Hamill would have had the option of reading a script before being contractually obligated to make this film.

Why do you bring a newborn baby into the theater? They scream and ruin the movie for everyone. I’ve had to leave the theater many times because of a screaming baby. Sometimes though, I just have to sit through it. Get a babysitter.

Uh. He never said he did bring his baby.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Just because the characters say things doesn’t mean that that’s what the film itself is saying.

I sure hope Rey isn’t related to anyone important though.

Me too.

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

joefavs said:

… but they cut it. For exactly that reason.

Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

In my opinion, you put your view of the OT on too high a pedestal.

1000 generation legacy of peace and justice? isn’t that a PT thing? The OT’s theme of hope and redemption was not ruined by this film. In fact this film as a lot of Hope in it. We see how there is hope for the galaxy outside of just the skywalker family. It just is taking that hope out of the close confines of a ‘religion’ and growing it into something else. Which i think is needed for Star Wars.

Dré is right: ObiWan says over a 1000 generation of Jedi Knights… to Luke in A New Hope

DrDre said:

joefavs said:

… but they cut it. For exactly that reason.

Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

Van een vlieg een olifant maken.

It’s just a movie, doc. Deep breaths.

I hated Alien Resurrection but that didn’t diminish my enjoyment of the other films.

^^ I was just about to say: this is space, she’s in zero G. She is not flying!

I don’t think I am going to stay on this thread for too long because I feel like it’s the same regurgitated opinions cycling through. I will say that I am a bit disappointed that people are not opening their minds to the idea that people can experience dramatic experiences that drastically alter their viewpoints on the world. Has no one ever been in a funk after a bad breakup or the death of a loved one? Ever seen a person suffer from PTSD? These are not foreign concepts, but people seem to live in a bubble where all the football stars from high school are playing in the NFL. Luke’s character makes absolute sense based on what he’s experienced and he even finds redemption when he allows himself to become entirely consumed and part of the very thing he had sworn off at the beginning of the film.

Mithrandir: it’s nice having a smart discussion about the film. It’s definitely refreshing.

I agree that there is a gender role reversal going on and perhaps that is why there seems to be such malaise from the mostly(?) male fan base. They went in expecting Luke toppling ATSTs with a wave of his hand, and Poe Dameron blasting TIE fighter after TIE fighter. What we got was the Resistance slowly being picked off while cornered and that this is a fight they can’t (and don’t) win.

Then there’s Luke who’s given up on the world and when he finally comes through, just stands there talking shit.

This past year has been pretty toxic politically speaking, so if Star Wars can help us think about looking “inwards” like you say, I say let’s do this.

Don’t worry, Frink, I wasn’t accusing you of anything. I remember you saying you liked the film.

As for the discussion on obedience: I didn’t see it like that: I saw it as a critique on acting first without thinking things through.

Popular culture seems to have popularized this notion of “sticking it” to the man and following your gut instinct. TLJ reverses that “flyboy” mentality and asks you to think about your actions and their inevitable reactions.

TV’s Frink said:

I might be wrong but I think if the execution of that scene was a little different (better?) people might not have complained so much, even though the complaints seem to be about the idea rather than the execution.

Perhaps, but I found that scene to be quite beautiful, seeing this icon floating amongst destruction back to safety in a pose reminiscent of a classical painting.

I really don’t get people’s beef with Leia using the force. In Jedi, Luke tells her the Force is strong in her family and says “in time you will learn to use this power too”. 30 years have passed! While Leia seems to have been mostly busy with politics during that time, she has to have received SOME instruction from Luke. Granted, she’s no Jedi per se, but she can do some levitation and communication.

Remember, in a vacuum, you don’t have any air resistence or gravity to slow you down, so Leia would have only needed to exert just a little bit of Force pull for a short amount of time to bring her back to the ship. Plus people can survive in the vacuum of Space unprotected for a few moments.

I joked a while back that TLJ was the Windwaker of Star Wars films. I feel like a more apt analogy would be Alien3.

Here is a link about scenes that were deleted from the final cut. A few of them I regret them cutting out but perhaps the film was already too long.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-deleted-scenes/

Based on this thread alone, it’s safe to say that The Last Jedi is the Windwaker of Star Wars films.

I haven’t read up on exactly has been said, but the last thing I’d read is that they won’t use a CGI character like in Rogue One.

That doesn’t mean they won’t re use scenes. Perhaps even cutting her out of ep 8 locations and matting her into another, re ordering dialogue, etc.