Mavimao

Is the contrast correct in these shots? They seem a tad bright.

Very nice! Thank you.

The print looks pretty clean!

Very nice! Could you possibly show binary sunset and Tantive iv old guy shots?(the latter of which being the bane of many color discussions here).

tbird97 said:

I haven’t yet seen the 4K77 project, but I read the thread where Hairy Hen upgraded his 70mm soundtrack recreation.
Just curious, any plans for a possible version 2.8 to include the new soundtrack, or will that be saved for a later change?

Personally, I was blown away by the previous version and that’s why Harmy’s is my current go to version to watch. I can’t imagine an improvement, but I have faith in Hairy Hen.

4K77 and Despecialized are in sync so if you really need it now, you’d just have to demux and remux a few files.

Well well well, wasn’t expecting this when I woke up this morning.

Thanks for the positive info. Just a question: did you film this presentation? I think a lot of us would like to see it!

It’s a scan of a faded section of film that contains the original 77 crawl. In 1981, all of the technicolor prints had their openings spliced out and replaced with the new crawl containing “a new hope”. So the technicolor prints are useless for preserving that.

But ChainsawAsh has a copy of a scan of the 1981 crawl and will do a fork of 4k77 that contains this version.

CatBus said:

poita said:

You know, I think you are right.
They did utilise a lot of “found objects” during the production, and I think I have identified the source of the Bacta Tank.

It looks like a Black & Decker Spacemaster.

In just three minutes, we will all be enjoying hot jedi toasties!

Yay!

If my experience with toaster ovens means anything, Han, Leia and Threepio are the ones at the highest risk of being toasted. Luke will come out vaguely warm.

Perhaps even… Luke warm.

ChainsawAsh said:

Mavimao said:

If you want the 81 crawl, splice it in yourself. Make a branching dvd/bluray yourself. But don’t get snooty if people say, “that’s not the goal of this project”

Hey, guess what? I already asked for the raw scan of the 81 crawl, so I’m doing exactly that. Sounds like you’re the one getting snooty to me.

I wasn’t talking to you, so… chill?..

I was talking to people in general who get all worked up and ask for things. Perhaps I spoke too harshly; maybe my age is gettin’ to me - or I assume people should know the purpose of this specific project.

Anyway if people are working on an alternate version, cool! After all, 4k77 was built in the hope that people will go wild with it later.

If you want the 81 crawl, splice it in yourself. Make a branching dvd/bluray yourself. But don’t get snooty if people say, “that’s not the goal of this project”

Better prints have been preserved. MUCH better prints.

Fucking amazing!

It might be the 35mm optical track… not sure.

One big thing I appreciated about the film was Luke and Ben’s final battle.

It really solidified Yoda’s teaching that a Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense - never for attack.

I love that Rian Johnson managed to come up with a lightsaber battle in which lightsabers never even touch. It’s just Luke outthinking Ben.

I guess he didn’t like the cornbread either.

DominicCobb said:

I like the idea of a TLJ appreciation thread, but I won’t accept one as legitimate until it’s years from now and DrDre is the OP.

I chuckled.

And hey, he actually kinda likes it now.

Hal 9000 said:

Is the current state of affairs regarding the mono audio track still that we have a version recovered from a recording using a cassette player? It’s not like someone has gotten the mono mix from a print or anything, right?

It’s actually mainly sourced from a European arial VHS recording.

There have been 16mm prints with mono mixes but they sound worse than the one from DeSpecialized and 4k77. Puggo’s version of ANH contains this mono mix and you can hear lots of hissing and warbling. I don’t know if thre have been any other discoveries since then…

I had a few qualms when I watched it in the theater back in December but they were mostly all squashed when I rewatched it on Bluray.

Plus the absolute vile dribble from certain corners of the fandom only solidifies my opinion. I can understand being disappointed or not thinking it’s your cup of tea, but to say that it ruined Star Wars/your childhood/etc is just hyperbole.

darthrush said:

Quick opinion time on the sound mixes from everyone…

I have never watched Star Wars in mono. Which mono track should I do so with? And does anyone have an opinion on whether it is better or not overall?

I hope this is still somewhat on topic enough.

There’s only one English Mono track…

But IMO there are enough differences between this version and the others that it definitely is worth a listen.

Ronster said:

Williarob said:

Ronster said:

Williarob said:

The DNR version is coming along quite nicely I think:

Ok so I get you are preserving the color of “the print” this is without the light shining through it…

So if this has a purpleish tone and the light from a projector has a yellowish tone would this not equate to the image looking more or less neutral basically what the home video releases tried to achieve?

I find it quite fascinating how when confronted with the problems the answers reveal themselves and you have to do the same sort of thing that has already been done but the full understanding becomes apparent?

But obviously not drastic yellow faces just it comes up neutral in most instances I would imagine.

Possibly, but surely it’s better if I give you the actual colors that are on the print than to pretend I understand the physics involved in shining a light bulb of a certain color temperature through the film with this color and reflecting it off of a white screen?

As Poita said:

poita said:

When it comes to colour, unless you are sitting in a cinema with the print, and doing your colour adjustments based on that, and revisiting them again by watching the print etc. then the grade is going to be revisionist, from a certain point of view.

However if you take a straight scan, and do a ‘one light’ correction to each reel, then the scenes will keep their colour relative to each other. i.e. you can see that the background space colour is lighter in scene 3 than in scene 2, but darker than scene 4. You can see that the Falcon walls are more towards yellow in shot 27 than in shot 14. The presentation will reatin the relative colour and shade values that the original had, so you are closer to seeing how the print looked originally.
Your base might be off, but each scene maintains its relative relationship to each other scene.

Trying to get to the original theatrical presentation colours is a very tricky exercise.

Besides, not all of the Home Video releases are neutral. This early 1982 laserdisc still has green in the wall panels, not the grey of later releases:

No complaints with your process at all, I just perhaps think that it probably overall comes in quite neutral with a light through it.

As far as projection goes there is no 100% value that could be ascertained.

You have various makes and models of projectors and their bulb counterparts which might vary in the light and temperature they put out. You also have to factor in distance drop off from the screen and also what the screen material was as some are more reflective than others. All in all there would be no particular average. All I am saying is if the bulb it slightly tinted yellow which they were… And the print is sort of purple then that would make sense as when combined they cancel out being a variant of neural with a bit of warmth.

That is all really, what I am saying is it’s nothing very drastic from what you have with a light through it. It won’t be radically different from what you have now just that it probably lands on neutral-ish color.

Sometimes though, you have to stop and say, this is good enough.

Sure we can talk bulb temperatures and film hues and lab presets etc etc. In a few pages, we’ll end up talking photons and building a mini Hadron Collider in order to recreate the optimum light photon that a vintage 70s bulb would have emitted.

joefavs said:

My dilemma right now is do I go to the trouble of downloading this now, or do I hold off until the DNR version hits, since I know that’s going to be the one I keep watching into the future. Decisions.

Why not both?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

What are you talking about, Mavimao? Something official? Or a third-party project? What is the average air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

This is what I was talking about: a fan made 4k restoration made (almost) exclusively from 4k scans of Technicolor prints. Enjoy!

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/4k77-released/id/60815

Handman said:

Mavimao said:

I mean the joke is quite simple: let’s take critically acclaimed films dealing with very mature subject matter, and make them silly with Star Wars references. Someone started doing it and enough people thought it was funny to continue. It’s kinda like the old “you’re the man now dog” meme.

That meme is so old, people didn’t even call it a meme.

Proto-meme!

Peanut butter jelly time!

I mean the joke is quite simple: let’s take critically acclaimed films dealing with very mature subject matter, and make them silly with Star Wars references. Someone started doing it and enough people thought it was funny to continue. It’s kinda like the old “you’re the man now dog” meme.

Mocata said:

Well… Yes. What I mean is why Criterion? Are they big SW fans or fans of bad puns? You could just do it with anything.

Isn’t that the raison d’être of memes?

The Manchurian Candidate and 120 Days of Sodom are titles of films.

I guess people find it funny to put Star Wars references in them.