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Mavimao

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#1217385
Topic
4k77 - shot by shot color grading
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Handman said:

But are the Senator print photos color balanced at all? If you take a photo of a projection, it’s not going to look at all like what you actually see.

Dr Dré has multiple sources: his own personal ib frames, the senator photos, photos of a projection of an ib print with a color balanced camera and a 70s era video bootleg. They all point to the same similarities. The devil, though, is in the details.

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#1217345
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1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
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Right, how prints were made (to add to the subtitle discussion)

“The process generally goes as follows: The A, B, and C (if necessary) rolls, are all printed onto an interpositive, which has lower contrast than ordinary release-print stock (contrast builds up in the internegative and release print stages).

This interpositive is then printed onto one or more internegatives, which is/are then used (along with a separate soundtrack negative, containing optical tracks and any digital tracks/timecode that might be used for that particular film) to print theatrical prints. If foreign distribution is expected, the C roll (containing titles) is sometimes printed separately on its own interpositive, and then both interpositives are printed onto the internegative(s). This allows for different versions of a film’s titles, which can be made in different languages for foreign prints; subtitles for foreign prints can also be added by splicing them into
the `title’ interpositive.”

Source: http://stason.org/TULARC/movies/production/6-6-What-is-an-interpositive-An-internegative-Film-La.html

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#1217340
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1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
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RU.08 said:

I disagree, it was a photochemical restoration, while the optical wipes may have been digital, they re-comp’d other stuff optically.

It’s not a matter of debate. They were digitally composited. Go to 3:38 in this video:

https://youtu.be/VhLUdy3RDpM

I don’t want to come off as dickish, but you obviously do not know what you’re talking about.

The 97 restoration was partially photochemical and partially digital. All of the non-special effect shots were restored photochemically and the wipes were done optically. The elements for all the fx shots were all rescanned and recomposited or enhanced with CGI and then outputted to 35mm film. The OCN is now a mix of the original 77 negative (non effects shots) and 97 negative (wipes and sfx shots).

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#1217318
Topic
1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
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RU.08, I’m not saying you’re wrong because I have no proof to say otherwise, but you cannot compare your scream 2 nor subtitle comparison with a special effect shot.

Your Scream 2 example falls flat because it was a simple retake for a Made for TV version that was likely spliced in on video.

The subtitle comparison falls flat because it is standard to not have burned-in subtitles for international releases or home video. Multiple IPs are made for this reason as well as safety copies.

I’m with everyone else: this looks like DNR and / or artificial brightening of the highlights. Or maybe the lightsaber was masked off and brightened in the telecine process, but I seriously doubt it’s a recomposite done solely for home video.

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#1216528
Topic
<em>Solo: A Star Wars Story</em> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — <strong>SPOILERS</strong>
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Right so I am very late and only now just saw Solo despite having seen all the previous Disney-made productions on opening night.

Overall, I found it very milquetoast and just…average. It wasn’t terrible by any stretch, but it felt like Thor 2: generic and by the numbers.

Maybe repeat viewings will change my view but I give it a 6/10.

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#1216018
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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tbird97 said:

I haven’t yet seen the 4K77 project, but I read the thread where Hairy Hen upgraded his 70mm soundtrack recreation.
Just curious, any plans for a possible version 2.8 to include the new soundtrack, or will that be saved for a later change?

Personally, I was blown away by the previous version and that’s why Harmy’s is my current go to version to watch. I can’t imagine an improvement, but I have faith in Hairy Hen.

4K77 and Despecialized are in sync so if you really need it now, you’d just have to demux and remux a few files.

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#1214849
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4k77 released
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It’s a scan of a faded section of film that contains the original 77 crawl. In 1981, all of the technicolor prints had their openings spliced out and replaced with the new crawl containing “a new hope”. So the technicolor prints are useless for preserving that.

But ChainsawAsh has a copy of a scan of the 1981 crawl and will do a fork of 4k77 that contains this version.

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#1214802
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Empire Strikes back 35mm restoration feedback thread (POUT)
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CatBus said:

poita said:

You know, I think you are right.
They did utilise a lot of “found objects” during the production, and I think I have identified the source of the Bacta Tank.

It looks like a Black & Decker Spacemaster.

In just three minutes, we will all be enjoying hot jedi toasties!

Yay!

If my experience with toaster ovens means anything, Han, Leia and Threepio are the ones at the highest risk of being toasted. Luke will come out vaguely warm.

Perhaps even… Luke warm.

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#1214778
Topic
4k77 released
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ChainsawAsh said:

Mavimao said:

If you want the 81 crawl, splice it in yourself. Make a branching dvd/bluray yourself. But don’t get snooty if people say, “that’s not the goal of this project”

Hey, guess what? I already asked for the raw scan of the 81 crawl, so I’m doing exactly that. Sounds like you’re the one getting snooty to me.

I wasn’t talking to you, so… chill?..

I was talking to people in general who get all worked up and ask for things. Perhaps I spoke too harshly; maybe my age is gettin’ to me - or I assume people should know the purpose of this specific project.

Anyway if people are working on an alternate version, cool! After all, 4k77 was built in the hope that people will go wild with it later.

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#1210968
Topic
4k77 released
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Hal 9000 said:

Is the current state of affairs regarding the mono audio track still that we have a version recovered from a recording using a cassette player? It’s not like someone has gotten the mono mix from a print or anything, right?

It’s actually mainly sourced from a European arial VHS recording.

There have been 16mm prints with mono mixes but they sound worse than the one from DeSpecialized and 4k77. Puggo’s version of ANH contains this mono mix and you can hear lots of hissing and warbling. I don’t know if thre have been any other discoveries since then…

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#1210934
Topic
The Last Jedi appreciation thread
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I had a few qualms when I watched it in the theater back in December but they were mostly all squashed when I rewatched it on Bluray.

Plus the absolute vile dribble from certain corners of the fandom only solidifies my opinion. I can understand being disappointed or not thinking it’s your cup of tea, but to say that it ruined Star Wars/your childhood/etc is just hyperbole.