Mavimao

I think people are just a bit confused. Your 1st post is just “check it out!”

It’s best to start a new topic with what you were trying to achieve and then go into a little detail how you went about doing it (what programs, what sources, what exactly you did). I think people are definitely interested in different things but we’d like to know the ins and outs.

This is actually from a broadcast master so that’s a damn good source. Probably the best we’ll ever get.

Glad you enjoyed it!

To be honest that weird Italian cut seems to be just a made for TV version. The 35mm Italian print this sound came from is actually the same cut as the original US theatrical cut.

The laserdisc you’re watching is a director’s cut made after the success of Star Wars.

I agree with RU.08 that because this is a special effect recomposited a couple years after the film was released, there is bound to be some dissimilarities between this shot and the one from 1977.

You did! I sent you the link.

Well the cuts were already done when I made the English grindhouse version. So it literally took me 10 minutes to export

Aaaaaannnnd, done! Who wants it? Send me a PM.

Just be aware: Buck Rodgers is in English since no apparent Italian dub exists and there are gaps in the audio due to missing film on the 35mm print. If one were so inclined, these could be filled in with the TV broadcast.

Well, everyone has their reasons and to be honest, it’s not a difficult thing for me to do. All I have to do is to lower the English track in my iMovie timeline and raise the volume of all the Italian clips. Now you have the Italian dub in sync to the LD for very little effort.

The only “issue” is that I need to splice back in the infoscreens from the 35mm print in order to get the Italian sound from those few missing portions.

Yeah not only are they cropped but they were blown up using optical printing instead of contact printing which is vastly superior. So the image quality, even unfaded, is very negligeable.

robbottin said:

Hi, Can someone pass to me the italian dub - only the audio track - synched to the laserdisc?

As far as I know it doesnt exist. But I could easily export the audio from my imovie timeline.

Very tragic. I felt his take on Chekov was much better than the original’s.

Spaced Ranger said:

I’ve update the 1st 1000 frames post (above). Suggestions (especially from poita, as he’ll be referencing this) for better clarity and more useful formatting are welcome. Otherwise I’ll continue this format.

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@ Mavimao

Don’t know if you’ve logged all your match-edits, but does it look like I’m catching what you’ve already found so far? (And if you have a log of matches, would you post them here? I’m using both frame-counts and SMPTE, so in either format is workable.)

Crap, haven’t seen this until now.

I have not logged my edits and in any case it would be slightly off since it’s synced to the laserdisc version. iMovie is pretty dumb and can’t even display timecode. If I get time, I can watch it and see where there were missing frames.

There’s a link for the FLAC file on the 1st post in this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Empire-Strikes-Back-mono-mix-GOUT-sync-and-Comparison-MP3-READ-1st-POST-FOR-INFO/id/15865

alexp120 said:

Assuming that you have downloaded the torrent already, that sound mix that you are asking can be found in this file:

English [eng] (dts-hd ma, 48000Hz, mono).dts

The 8 files that I mentioned above were copied from the audio stream of Harmy’s Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition, MKV container, so, the mono mix of the 1980 16mm version is in there.

It’s compressed though. He’s wanting the lossless file. I have it if you want but the sound isn’t any better. The source is very low fidelity so the garbage doesn’t get better with more bits.

EDIT: wait nevermind, if it’s DTS-HD then it’s lossless.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/954336

I should have been more clear: why is it Malcom that comes up with the idea to increase the number? How does he know this and not the people who set up the park? Seemed a bit… Odd.

Tyrphanax said:

Maybe you can convince Superman to wear it then since you love them so much!

Let down at the source again tonight, guys. Sorry!

Edit: Spoke too soon!

68-71

292 animals. Things are getting real now! Everything’s falling apart!

This scene in the book is one of my favourites aside from the part where they start getting it all back together and then… well, book people know. I’m a bit sad that they didn’t take some time to talk a bit more about the tracking system and how it worked before the tour.

It’s a nice way to show the dinos breeding but it seems odd that the designers of the park didn’t know that there was a set limit for the tracker. I mean every time they bred a new animal and set it free, SOMEone would have to update the number…

SilverWook said:

“collars” is a reference to a certain poster from a few years back, who used to ask when the “collars” on ESB would be fixed. Draw your own conclusions from that. 😉

Thank you for explaining the joke. I thought it was pretty obvious it was a joke seeing as it’s b/w. I even threw in discovision to seal the ridiculousness.

Colson said:

Any particular need for a print scan?

The bluray screwed up the collars! What was the TRUE theatrical timing? I saw it 7 times in 1960 and the only medium that felt “right” since then was the discovision release!

Isn’t that image of the x wings approaching the death star from the SE?

clutchins said:

Are the Puggo audio tracks beyond cleaning up.

16mm optical is very lo-fi. Frequency range is about 200hz to 6khz and a s/n ratio of 40-50db.

Warble is pretty bad on the format as well. Piano notes suffer in particular. Instead of a “diiiing” you get a “diiIIiiiinnNNNNNnggGG”

Yes it is a separate Mono mix, but there are many similarities between the 16mm mono and the 70mm mix, but I guess they’re not 100% but what I’m hearing.

On a separate note, I do wonder if there is a higher quality source of the mono mix somewhere. Perhaps an obscure VHS or laserdisc?

yoda-sama said:

Williarob said:

Wahoo! I found the solution to the subtitle problem: Convert the srt from 23.976fps to 24fps in Jubler, then use Lemony to create the BDN. Edit the XML to set the framerate back to 23.976 and import as non-drop. Then subs remain in sync to the end. Rinse and repeat for all languages. We’re back in business people!

Throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato… baby you got a stew going!

Yes, that’s fine, but I’d like to focus on my acting Mr. Weathers. I did give you my last $1,100…

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, that’s straight out of the novel, in fact, this script follows the novel fairly closely. The book actually starts up quite slow with the nurse in Costa Rica and the Tina incident. You don’t actually meet any of the main characters (with the possible exception of Ed Regis) until a few chapters in.

Yeah I read the book shortly after seeing the film way back when but I don’t rememeber the particularities of the story.

I think this type of story telling works well in books because you can have your plot simmer and slowly come to a boil whereas in films, you need to use your time wisely.

Comparing this script with the final film shows the filmmakers understood this and changed things around to make it flow better.

Spaced Ranger said:

I’m using the 16mm scan as a base and aligning the 35mm to it. One problem I came across is the 16mm has duplicate frames here and there. I’ll check out the full-sized (I work reduced-sized for reduced-lagged) to see if the frame code increments on the dup’ed frame, too. And as you mentioned, the 35mm has groups of frames missing … just to make things more fun. 😃

BTW, what software are you using?

I just used the latest version of iMovie. Not the greatest tool but it got the work done.