I think we need a SW buddy comedy a la Biodome.
I must admit Rey being super-duper strong in the Force doesn’t bother me as much as her being skilled at pretty much everything, being a mechanical engineering genius with intricate knowledge of all types of spaceships, an expert pilot, an accomplished marksman by simply grabbing a blaster and so on and so forth.
But the thing that really bothers me about the ST is the First Order being so goddamn powerful and wealthy despite being a fraction of the Empire, and it only takes about a week to regain control of the Galaxy.
As a fan of the ST, I will admit that having the 1st Order as a band of underdog terrorists would have made a much stronger narrative than the superpower we have now. JJ just couldn’t help but reset the clock.
Re: Rey’s powers…
I honestly think the new makers want to re-shape the whole Force-training aspect of the original/prequel trilogy in order to move the narrative of new stories along faster.
Instead of having every new Force sensitive person having to dedicate a chunk of his or her life training (and thus taking up narrative time as well), we can do an X-Men-esque “awakening” in which characters are given raw powers but need guidance on what to do with those powers (so with great power comes great responsibility etc).
I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?
“It’s the eye of the tauntaun, it’s the thrill of the fight
Risin’ up to the challenge of the Sith!
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he’s watchin’ us all with the eye of the Tauntaun”
They don’t even MAKE the same filmstock anymore. It’s pretty much all Vision stock now.
And film negatives are cut still (the Orson Welles film on Netflix whose name escapes me) is the latest example. I know Paul Thomas Anderson’s film the master was done this way as well.
In terms of editing I really can’t think of anyone specifically who edits on a Steenbeck.
I should have some free time this week.
But I will admit that I’m a little confused as to which GOUT mix I should use to sync the mono mix to. With all this talk of Jedi’s audio already being off sync and the discrepancies between the pal and ntsc releases… I’m a bit lost…
screams in the void said:
I very much enjoyed The Last Jedi and Solo …Resistance I am not crazy about and will just follow the plot through online reviews . And no , Star Wars was not killed by Disney , It is very much alive and I hear they are even making books , comics , video games and a theme park .Just the facts folks .
The whole idea of this thread is subjective because to those of us who prefer and/or grew up with the EU only to see it and the original actors flipped off has killed Star Wars’ essence, now the only thing left is the bloated corporate shell.
When was Star Wars never a bloated corporate shell?
Okay guys, this is actually really frustrating. An export of 26 minutes racks up to 650 GBs I have no clue why it does this, but I would really appreciate some help. If someone would be kind enough to PM me a link of how I can export this without bricking my PC, I will be able to show the world this monstrosity in full HD.
This sounds like you’re exporting your edit at unnecessarily high settings.
Are you crediting Jaxxon, the owner of the 16mm print as well?
Ah! My mistake! I will correct this in the OP, stat!
You mention the 16mm has great color. Do you suppose you will utilize one of Dre’s color matching algorithms to match the 35mm print to the 16mm color?
Also, you’ve got a donation from me 😃
That could certainly be done, yes… but do you really prefer the 16mm colors as a reference?
I was under the impression that our 35mm sources were in much worse condition than they are. I really like the 16mm colors, but the 35mm looks good enough. I just grew wistful remembering an instance where color matching tools were used to reobtain original color from high quality black and white footage and a very low quality NTSC videotape.
It’s not “color matching” that’s being done here but rather frame blending. You take the b/w luma channel of the film footage and take the chroma channel of the video footage and overlap the two to recreate the color footage.
Instead of filling them in with an alternate source, I decided just to leave them as is in order to keep it as authentic as possible.
I honestly don’t remember, but did you do fill – or need to fill – for the ESB mono mix?
Good question… the only spot I really remember was the intro which was missing the entire drum roll and first opening notes of the 20th century fox fanfare. I spent a lot of time trying to get the stereo mix to match.
I remember Puggo saying that he had already patched 5 seconds of audio before sending me the audio but he couldn’t remember which parts.
Hello! I present to you a 4k83 (and soon GOUT) synced release of the ROTJ mono mix as found on Puggo’s “Return of the Pug” 16mm project.
Many thanks to Jaxxon for supplying the print and to Puggo for taking on this project in the first place and kindly supplying us with the uncompressed audio files he captured from his equipment.
I do want to quickly cut to the chase and state that, unlike Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back, this mono mix does not contain any major new/alternate lines or sound effects. That is, non that I could discern.
On the other hand I can confidently say that this is not a simple fold down: sound effects that are buried in the original mix are louder, there are effects that seems to be missing and there’s at least one edit that is rougher on this mix: when R2 breaks Leia’s chains, she normally says “Come on, we’ve got to get out of here.” Maybe it’s me, but you can hear a ‘before’ as if they tried to edit out the rest of a sentence but didn’t bring the slider down fast enough. This seems to be missing on the original stereo mix. My guess would be that this was a hastily put together mix for 16mm prints.
I must also point out that there is some missing audio:
- a few drum rolls at the beginning
- the first reel change (on 16mm it’s after they leave Tatooine).
- A second or so when the stolen shuttle lands on Endor (I am guessing this was missing on the original print??)
- a second or so when Leia follows Luke outside. (I am guessing this was missing on the original print??)
- a second or so when the superstar destroyer crashes into the Death Star. (I am guessing this was missing on the original print??)
Instead of filling them in with an alternate source, I decided just to leave them as is in order to keep it as authentic as possible.
Of course, keep in mind that this is a capture of an optical audio track from a 16mm print. The sound is never great on these types of prints: there’s a lot of distortion and wobble and there is barely any dynamic range so it’s very compressed.
I’ll give people a link to download the file if they wish. After that, you’re free to put it on usenet or mega or whatever.
Voss Caltrez said:
The Force Awakens was a hit.
Rogue One was a hit.
The Last Jedi was a hit, but split fandom based on how the story played out. That’s understandable with an old franchise like this and an iconic character returns in a way that not everyone agrees with.
Solo lost money though.
Maybe one reason is that the public is getting tired of a Star Wars-related movie every year.
But I don’t think because of one spin-off didn’t do well and fandom split on TLJ that Disney killed Star Wars.
If anything, they revived it.
I’m not a big fan of the new trilogy, but they managed to bring some of the magic back to the franchise: characters that you actually like and care about, the funny/comedic moments, and more believable worlds that aren’t just green screens.
Kylo Ren alone is more interesting than any character of the prequels, and probably more interesting than the portrayals of our favorite group in Return of the Jedi.
No just no. Crylo Ruin is never going to be interesting. You need to rewatch ROTJ because the characters are interesting unlike the st where all original trilogy characters get ruined and all the magic gets stamped out.
I’m doing a GOUT sync of the ROTJ mono mix as we speak.
It has its highs but, man, the lows are low. Han Solo got a raw deal in this film.
Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:
Sorry it took so long.
No worries honestly!
Downloading as we speak! Thanks a lot Puggo!
Any updates on the GOUT-synced ROTP audio, Mavimao?
Puggo messaged me a while back and said he’d send me the uncompressed files, but I still haven’t received anything. I know he has a busy life so I don’t like to insist. Hopefully we’ll get them soon.
Would working with the compressed tracks on the dvd be bad? I’m not a compression expert but 16mm optical has really crap frequency range. Would there really be a giant loss of information?
Ha, I thought the same thing when I saw this documentary.
I am VERY interested in this show.
Oh man, I fear my Youtube feed is going to be into overdrive with ‘suggested’ Star Wars videos again… Is there any way to tell Youtube to stop suggesting negative hot takes? Haven’t they built that into their algorithm?
Great find! Hopefully, better sources will appear in the future. Is it in French?
I haven’t heard from Puggo, but I should send him a PM rather than just shooting off a comment in this thread.
I read an article how machine learning was able to remove watermarks from photos.
Thanks for the restoration of that Horizon episode, Harmy! As a layman that doesn’t work in special effects or the film industry, it was amazing to see what analog tricks people could do back in the day! Also cool to see the analog origins of terms like matte etc.
I have 3 questions for you:
- was there any reason you used H264 instead of H265/AV1 as a video codec?
- was there any reason you used AAC instead of Opus as an audio codec?
- is it OK if I put your 2 restoration versions and your 5-min intro into a torrent and start seeding it for more people to grab it?
Thanks for the great work again!
I’ll let Harmy give a definitive answer, but for me, h265 doesn’t have enough hardware support and Opus is pretty non standard. 264 and AAC are industry standards and the video will work in pretty much all devices.
Continuing discussion from this thread.
As to [Hux’s] seriousness, I’d say it’s about the same in both. He’s not making jokes in TLJ, he’s the butt of them.
Every moment he has in the film is undercut with him being made a joke. The only actual serious moment he has is when he almost shoots Ren and that was an improvised moment from Gleeson.
Snoke has a far bigger role with much greater relevance to the plot at hand in TLJ than TFA. Just because you expected him to survive TLJ because of his role in the lore pre-TFA doesn’t mean his death undermines TFA. In any way.
I don’t care at all that he died in TLJ. It was a good moment of character growth for Ben. What is inexcusable is that Snoke was not expounded upon AT ALL before his death.
Are we talking about the same character who crawls across a crowded table to stare at Finn in TFA?
Come on. You very well know there’s a galaxy of difference between crawling across a table and literally flying around like a video game character taking out hordes of off-screen enemies.
TFA was the film that sent [Luke] into hiding in the first goddamn place. I’m honestly baffled that anyone expected anything else of his character other than reluctance.
The very nature of his originally intended introduction says otherwise. Here are just a few alternative explanations for why he disappeared:
- As explained in TFA he went off looking for the first Jedi temple. Why? Perhaps in hopes of learning how to defeat Snoke. Why? What if Snoke was an ancient evil of some kind that Luke was unprepared to deal with.
- After finding the temple he crashes and is stranded. Perhaps the nature of the planet is such that it blocks anyone from reaching out or being reached out to in the Force. Which is why the temple was built there in the first place.
- Perhaps there were other survivors from his original academy that he secreted away to continue teaching. Hiding so that they can continue in peace without fear of Kylo returning to finish what he started.
- Perhaps Luke knew he wasn’t meant to be the one to stop Snoke and so he shuts himself off and devotes himself to preparing to train the one who is. Waiting for the Force to bring them to him.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. TLJ didn’t contradict TFA at all.
TFA ends with a clear setup for the sequel that TLJ completely ignores. “Leave the base at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. It is time to complete his training.”
The start of TLJ should have been the mirroring of Rey and Ben through their simultaneous training. You can even keep the “Forcetime” plot device so that they can communicate with each other throughout this time.
The Kylo training segments would also be an opportunity to expound on Snoke.
Go to 0:33 in this video:
Quote: “Luke felt responsible. He just walked away from everything.”
So yeah, this is word for word consistent with what we saw in TLJ.
So, has this been cancelled?
Who knows? The problem with your link is that it lists a lot of sources from the ‘foaming at the mouth’ side of TLJ hate-dom who are reading too deeply into something someone mentioned. I’m sure they’d love nothing more than to see Rian Johnson fail and are spreading FUD to satisfy their desires.
I personally hope Disney and Rian persevere.