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ChainsawAsh said:

Shopping Maul said:

And if you’re going by prequel “rules,” they (or at least Obi-Wan) believed that Luke - or at least, one of Anakin’s children - was the Chosen One, rather than Anakin himself as they’d all believed before. So, by buying into the prophecy, yeah, he would’ve seen Luke as the “last hope.”

I’m glad that the new movies are completely am bonding the mentions of a “prophecy” and “the chosen one.” It was never mentioned in the original trilogy, so why did Lucas introduce it in the prequels. So rather than killing Palpatine because he loved his son, Vader killed him because the “prophecy” foretold that he would “bring balance to the Force.”

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”

The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

The real question is whether the ST will be more loved than the PT.

I think the movies will. But the video games, books, comics and cartoons that expand the PT era will be viewed as better than the ST era expanded universe.

I disagree. The other forms of media helped fill in plot holes that Lucas made in the prequels, and while they are better than the prequels, I would not say that they’re better than the sequel trilogy. Not to get off topic, but in my opinion, I did think the original Clone Wars micro-series was the most underrated piece of Star Wars content yet, and I thought Filoni’s series was VERY hit and miss. As for the sequel trilogy expanded universe, it’s good, but it’s still young in the amount of content compared to the twenty years of expanded content the prequels received. Let’s just see where it goes and just let it grow.

Even in the first few years of the PT, there was already a ton of new content because of the Clone Wars multimedia project. Especially in the area of video games, the early 2000’s gave us Battlefront, KOTOR, Republic Commando, Star Wars: Galaxies etc. So far all we’ve got from EA in the nearly 6 years since they got the rights to Star Wars games are 2 very mediocre Battlefront remakes. Also, say what you will about both Clone Wars series’, but they’re both certainly better than Resistance. I hope that the ST period gets some expansion, but it seems to be developing way slower than the PT expanded universe.

Definitely slower, but remember that a lot of PT content came after the movies (TCW premiered in 08, and we already have far more content from Resistance than we had from the contemporary Clone Wars series - quality aside). Don’t forget too that saying the Clone Wars multimedia project was “in the first few years of the PT” is inaccurate, as that didn’t kick off until after AOTC came out (and then continued after ROTS). There was definitely more, but it’s easy to misremember what came out when (not to mention, the PT had two extra years to fill out).

I think that, in-universe eras aside, there’s an argument to be made that the Disney years have been just as good when it comes to books and comics. Video game-wise things were indisputably better when LucasArts was still around (though the new Battlefronts are far from “mediocre”).

Maybe, I still remember there being way more stuff when the Prequels came out, though I was fairly young, so that may be why. Hopefully the early 2020s will have some good stuff. Also, the new Battlefronts have a ton of problems that are well documented. Jim Sterling recently did a pretty good video on EA’s Battlefront games.

I was young too, so most of the stuff I remember is the wealth of kid-oriented content - exactly the kind of stuff that exists now that we, being older and not the target demo, aren’t even aware of.

As for the Battlefronts, I don’t need to watch a video. I have played both games quite a bit. The biggest things the fans complained about during each game’s rollout have been fixed at this point.

Even though this discussion is about Episode IX, I do agree with you about the way EA is handling the Star Wars games. I too am also very disappointed with their reputation with the Star Wars license. Not every Star Wars game LucasArts put out was good, but there were many memorable and good games to come out from them. But yes, I was also upset when I heard that they shut down.

Zachary VIII said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

The real question is whether the ST will be more loved than the PT.

I think the movies will. But the video games, books, comics and cartoons that expand the PT era will be viewed as better than the ST era expanded universe.

I disagree. The other forms of media helped fill in plot holes that Lucas made in the prequels, and while they are better than the prequels, I would not say that they’re better than the sequel trilogy. Not to get off topic, but in my opinion, I did think the original Clone Wars micro-series was the most underrated piece of Star Wars content yet, and I thought Filoni’s series was VERY hit and miss. As for the sequel trilogy expanded universe, it’s good, but it’s still young in the amount of content compared to the twenty years of expanded content the prequels received. Let’s just see where it goes and just let it grow.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

IMO they will be kind of like how the prequels are viewed today. Where there’s some who still dislike every aspect of them, but most will have learned to live with the bad parts and enjoy the good.

I’m hoping that the sequel trilogy will be viewed today the way The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are viewed today. When they first came out, The Empire Strikes Back received mixed reviews, and there were a good number of people that thought Return of the Jedi was a bad movie. Now they are both loved by everyone.

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

Here’s a great video documenting the fan reactions during the Disney era of Star Wars. This just shows how truly awful fans have behaved in the past six years. I do think some of the criticism is justified here (mainly towards EA).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdVtKHRTfe8

We all should have known what Yoda’s species was when he made his first appearance. He’s a muppet!

I’m very curious to see what positions Rey and Ben are in just a year after the events in The Last Jedi.

pleasehello said:

nl0428 said:

pleasehello said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

nevertheless I don’t think it’ll be an issue as Rian didn’t stray too far from TFA’s style to begin with.

Actually, I was very confused as to why people acted like the arguably out-of-place humor of TLJ was new. To me, it was just a continuation of the sometimes borderline parody tone of TFA. Totally seamless.

Yeah both film have comedy, but not all comedy is the same. The comedy in TLJ was noticeably different to me.

The Abrams and Kasdan team understood how to write dialogue and especially comedy that is more consistent with the OT, which borrows heavily from old Hollywood and especially the screwball comedies of that era. By comparison, many of The Last Jedi’s dialogue and comedic moments are less quick-fire screwball banter and more rooted in more recent popular culture (crank calls, your mama jokes, literally brushing-it-off; some of the jokes felt like modern memes) and stuck out to me immediately.

All film is subjective.

Yes. But I think that oversimplifies the very real differences between the two movies.

Why make an attempt at analysis if the conversation just stops at “all film is subjective”?

I did write an analysis, check earlier on the thread and you’ll find it.

pleasehello said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

nevertheless I don’t think it’ll be an issue as Rian didn’t stray too far from TFA’s style to begin with.

Actually, I was very confused as to why people acted like the arguably out-of-place humor of TLJ was new. To me, it was just a continuation of the sometimes borderline parody tone of TFA. Totally seamless.

Yeah both film have comedy, but not all comedy is the same. The comedy in TLJ was noticeably different to me.

The Abrams and Kasdan team understood how to write dialogue and especially comedy that is more consistent with the OT, which borrows heavily from old Hollywood and especially the screwball comedies of that era. By comparison, many of The Last Jedi’s dialogue and comedic moments are less quick-fire screwball banter and more rooted in more recent popular culture (crank calls, your mama jokes, literally brushing-it-off; some of the jokes felt like modern memes) and stuck out to me immediately.

All film is subjective.

I did not mean to post that three times. I’m so sorry, it was a huge accident!

nl0428 said:

doubleofive said:

Hal 9000 said:

Is he really gone for good?

Yup.

Has TV’s Frink cancelled the remainder of his ridiculous edits? He’s unfortunately been banned from this site. I have no idea why, but it’s disappointing. Is he still working on them?

nl0428 said:

doubleofive said:

Hal 9000 said:

Is he really gone for good?

Yup.

Has TV’s Frink cancelled the remainder of his ridiculous edits? He’s unfortunately been banned from this site. I have no idea why, but it’s disappointing. Is he still working on them?

doubleofive said:

Hal 9000 said:

Is he really gone for good?

Yup.

Has TV’s Frink cancelled the remainder of his ridiculous edits? He’s unfortunately been banned from this site. I have no idea why, but it’s disappointing. Is he still working on them?

RogueLeader said:

Appreciate the positivity, Noah! I’m looking forward to it too!

Thank you so much for your feedback, RogueLeader!

Tobar said:

The only reason the ST has a chance of feeling like its narratively cohesive is that Abrams is returning. Had Trevorrow headed IX as was originally intended, it would have ended in disaster.

I always felt that when Colin Trevorrow was announced to direct Episode IX, it was an abrupt decision, since Jurassic World had come out and was very successful. In an interview on Collider’s Jedi Council, SNL cast member, Bobby Moynihan said that Daisy Ridley asked Trevorrow what happens to Rey in IX. He took her to the back room, and she came out crying. The story may have changed since Trevorrow was on board, but I do think that bringing J.J. Abrams back was a smart choice. I loved what he did with The Force Awakens, but I also loved what Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi.

To put it simply, Abrams helped create the world and new characters for the sequel trilogy. He and Lawrence Kasdan (as well as keeping some of Michael Arndt’s material he created before leaving, because he was credited in the final film) wrote the story for VII. When Rian Johnson took over, he helped write the story for VIII, yet still continuing some of the story arcs set up by Abrams and Kasdan. While the story went a different direction from what J.J. may have done, he still continued the important arcs from what J.J. and Kasdan set up. Luke was always going to be a hermit, refusing to come back into action (an old idea George Lucas had for his sequel trilogy), as well as the relationship between Kylo Ren and Rey blossoming into a potential romance. What J.J. and Chris Terrio are going to do with IX is bring the trilogy to a close by continuing where Rian left off, and ending the story arcs where Abrams began off with.

The best thing to do is to tell the best story moving forward in the Star Wars saga, not bring fan service to the big screen, such as old Luke Skywalker with a lightsaber taking down the First Order. This is something I wanted at one point during the two year gap in between the releases of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, but I am happy that they did not do that, as it would be out of character for the story set up for Luke. Even Mark Hamill agreed with the decision by the end of making VIII. He disagreed at first, but soon realized that the writers knew better and loved the ending for his character.

I am very excited for Episode IX, and I cannot wait to see what happens between Rey and Kylo Ren for the end of the sequel trilogy!

SilverWook said:

Maybe we could start a betting pool? 😛

Maybe. I don’t know how you’d feel about that.

If I had to predict which characters will die in Episode IX, I would say that it is almost guaranteed that Hux will meet his end in the film. I also think there is a solid chance that Poe could end up dying as well. There is a 50/50 chance that we may say farewell to Leia, but I do have a feeling that she will live.

These were some the Special Edition changes that I liked.

A NEW HOPE:
New Crawl
C-3PO’s Added Lines
New Wide Landscape Shots
Modified Matte Paintings
Extended Sandtrooper Search
Most of the New Added Effects to Mos Eisley
Explosion Rings
Added Stormtrooper Lines
Added Stormtrooper Hanger Shot
Improved Echo Effect
Modified Lightsaber Blades
Added Biggs Darklighter Scene
New Visual Effects to the Death Star Attack
New Millennium Falcon Visual Effects
New Actors in the Celebration Hall

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:
New Emperor Palpatine Scene
New Music Transition Cues
New Aerial Visual Effects
New Cloud City Background Windows
Added Millennium Falcon Hatch
Added Cloud City Reactions to Lando’s Message

RETURN OF THE JEDI:
Added Shots of Boba Fett
Enhanced Unfreezing Han Solo Effect
Added Shot of Banthas
Added Sarlacc Beak
Added Blinking Ewoks
Darth Vader’s Enhanced Face
Death Star Explosion Ring
New Ending Song
Added Other Planets During the Ending

I believe that once we get the first trailer to Episode IX, everything crazy may be put to rest. We may get it this December, despite that the film wraps production in February.

We are talking about Star Wars: Episode IX, not the Marvel Cinematic Universe! That can be discussed in another thread.

Let’s not get off topic and start talking about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, guys.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Tbf, fangirls can make any direction look like garbage.

But yeah, I honestly don’t see Lucasfilm going there. It doesn’t seem like the direction they’re headed in.

I don’t know. I could be wrong, but the developing relationship and sexual tension between them in The Last Jedi was quite legit. The ending didn’t necessarily mark the end of their relationship, but rather the beginning into something greater.