I hope it isn’t balance of the force then we’d have a last Jedi situation all over again…
Why is that? I thought The Last Jedi was a great title, and I like the sound of this possible one.
I don’t know what it will be, but I found out from an article that the title could be Balance of the Force.
Vader was redeemed by his love for Luke… cheesy and unearned as that might be.
Kylo currently hates everyone? Really he needs to have a major new characterisation moment or realise he screwed up before falling into a hell of his own making. Something like that.
That’s not true. He cares truly for Rey. Just like how Anakin’s love for Luke brought him back, Ben’s love for Rey will also play a key factor to his redemption.
“You have no place in this story. You come from nothing. You’re nothing. But not to me.”
- Kylo Ren/Ben Solo (The Last Jedi)
Sounds like bad guy manipulation to me. He needs to fall down a mineshaft pronto. Hopefully in a haze of despair as he sees the faces of all his murder victims.
You didn’t even feel any sympathy for him, knowing that rather than confronting his nephew and a family way to help him, Luke originally thought about killing his own nephew instead? Ben thought Luke was going to kill him, (which he was planning on) but decided to give in to Snoke’s manipulations since his own uncle tried to kill him, and his isolation and loneliness from his family have made him vulnerable for Snoke to take him. Ben, that night before Luke showed up, was still feeling lonely, yet still conflicted on his choice.
REY: Is it true!? Did you create Kylo Ren!?
He actually kinda did.
LUKE: I failed you, Ben. I’m sorry.
BEN: I’m sure you are!
The audience is supposed to view him the same way Rey does. He isn’t manipulating her, but helping her understand the truth, yet wanting to give her a better future. He’s going about it the wrong way, but he wouldn’t manipulate the one he cares for. If Snoke hadn’t set up the connection between the two, he probably would’ve tried manipulating her. But since the two have understood each other fully, they now look at one another differently.
“You need a teacher! I can show you the ways of the Force.”
In The Force Awakens, he wanted to take her as his apprentice.
“Rey. I want you to join me. We can rule together and bring a new order to the Galaxy.”
Now after getting to know her better, he wants the two to stand side by side equally. Wanting the best for the both of them.
REY: I’ve never felt so alone.
BEN: You’re not alone.
REY: Neither are you. It isn’t too late.
I guess no Super Bowl teaser this year? We’re probably going to get a teaser attached to Avengers Endgame in April.
Could well be mate - maybe a teaser or mini-trailer of some kind at Celebration 2019 (10-14 days) before that?
We’ll get our first trailer at Celebration, and we’ll probably get the title soon. From what I’ve heard, production is supposed to wrap up this month.
But it’s so predictable…
There are MANY people who still think that Ben will die as a villain and will not be redeemed.
Vader was redeemed by his love for Luke… cheesy and unearned as that might be.
Kylo currently hates everyone? Really he needs to have a major new characterisation moment or realise he screwed up before falling into a hell of his own making. Something like that.
That’s not true. He cares truly for Rey. Just like how Anakin’s love for Luke brought him back, Ben’s love for Rey will also play a key factor to his redemption.
“You have no place in this story. You come from nothing. You’re nothing. But not to me.”
“Because it’s been done before” in my mind is a terrible reason not to do something. I’m not expecting anything specific in terms of what happens in IX (other than generally continuing and concluding the themes and character arcs of the trilogy), except I have to say if Ben ends the trilogy being just straight up evil, I will be pretty miffed. In my mind that’d be anti-thetical to the spirit of Star Wars.
I completely agree with you. It would be a very down type of ending. It would be perfect if Episode IX’s final shot just before the credits is Rey and Ben looking off towards the sky on whatever planet they are on. Whether it be Tatooine, Jakku, Ahch-To, Yavin IV, Naboo, or a new planet.
I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.
So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?
I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.
A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.
This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.
By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.
Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.
Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX
I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.
So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.
It wouldn’t be a cop out, and not to mention, the themes of the original trilogy will always be present in the saga. It was present in the prequels, it is in the sequels, and it will continue to be thriving within the saga. They are what make Star Wars, Star Wars. Star Wars has not been intended to present messages of revenge, hatred, lust and murder, it has always been about forgiveness and how good people can follow down a dark path, and about their internal conflict between good and evil.
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate …leads to suffering.
- Yoda, The Phantom Menace
The Prequel Trilogy has an interesting premise: a good man turns evil. It shows us many of the same OT themes but inverts them into a “don’t do this” instead of “do this”. The execution is terribly done, but the premise is there.
If Kylo turns back to the light, the ST will be a thematic redo of the OT. It will have nothing new to say. We do not need to see the same story repeat.
I can’t speak for others, but for myself a big part of the ST hype was seeing where the saga would go beyond RotJ. I don’t mean the original trio- I knew all along they would be replaced- but the galaxy and the themes it would present. Episode 9 is the make or break point for me, where the ST will choose to be a worthy part of the saga or a flashier OT.
Unlike Vader, Ben won’t die. It would be a waste if he did get redeemed and die in Episode IX. Anakin, on the other hand, had a full complete life. His story was finished in Return of the Jedi. If Lucasfilm wants to make Episodes X, XI and XII sometime in the future, they should have it be built and focused on Rey, Ben and their kids.
Here is a video by the now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He has posted Star Wars theory videos. This is a truncated version that I edited down from his Reylo theory videos that he posted back in 2017, before The Last Jedi came out. Check it out, it’s worth it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view
I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.
So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?
I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.
A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.
This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.
By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.
Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.
Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX
I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.
So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.
It wouldn’t be a cop out, and not to mention, the themes of the original trilogy will always be present in the saga. It was present in the prequels, it is in the sequels, and it will continue to be thriving within the saga. They are what make Star Wars, Star Wars. Star Wars has not been intended to present messages of revenge, hatred, lust and murder, it has always been about forgiveness and how good people can follow down a dark path, and about their internal conflict between good and evil.
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate …leads to suffering.
I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.
So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?
I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
———-Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.
A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.
This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.
By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.
Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.
Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX
The Force is drawing Rey and Ben together, even without the control by Snoke. It’s happened many times.
NeverarGreat said:
I hope Episode 9 really delves into the deep psychological wounds of the character, since that’s where the real story is going to be.I agree. For me, she was much more interesting the first 30 minutes of TFA and a bit near the end when she’s having an emotional breakdown. I’d like to get her back to being the stranger we met a few years ago. By stranger, I mean someone with depth and interest.
All we got this last time was her being a bit snarky and somehow weirdly bashful with asking Ben to put his shirt on. Other than being on screen during the film, as a character, she’s largely absent from the story.
That said; Some of my thoughts could also be me having forgotten a lot of the film. I need to watch it again to be sure I’m not way off.
She still is a stranger. Her parents are nobody. It has been confirmed within The Last Jedi and Daisy Ridley that her parents are unimportant to her story and future.
KYLO REN: You have no place in this story. You come from nothing. You’re nothing. But not to me.
I believe her future will be with Ben, but she knows that he has to find it within himself where his rightful place should be. Only then will she come back to him.
There is something very clear in the sequel trilogy about Rey that many people do not see at all. One of the reasons why Rey may be really good at accomplishing things is because of the way she grew up. Even though Unkar Plutt took her in when her parents abandoned her, she was still practically alone, as she had to hunt and work for her own. She worked for Plutt, earning her own food, and scavenging old ships by herself. Plus, she is experienced in melee combat due to her years of using her quarterstaff. Luke, on the other hand, grew up under strict requirements from Owen and Beru as a farm boy. He wasn’t allowed to go off on adventures out in the Galaxy and this is why he felt that he was going nowhere. Rey, while it wasn’t as strict for her leaving, still had a job to do, which was why she had to stay there. That’s they filmed a scene that got removed of Unkar Plutt finding Rey at Maz Kanata’s castle. Also, she stayed on Jakku because she was waiting for her parents. Each tally in the AT-AT she marked was a day she waited for her parents to come back.
Hello! I am searching for a fan edit of Tim Burton’s version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It is called the Book Cut Edition by Mr.Lovebucket. The edit is listed on fanedit.org and fanedit.info, but the link is offline. I have been searching for this edit for a while now, and I can’t seem to find it. If anyone has it, would you be kind to send it to me in a private message? Thanks!
INFORMATION: https://ifdb.fanedit.org/charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory-book-cut-edition/
TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tENhXgBLwlk
UPDATE: I have now found this edit. Consider this thread to be irrelevant, I suppose.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!
No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.
Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.
Today!? No way! I never heard this rumor!
I heard a rumor that it would be today on The Star Wars Show but I don’t know. It might be B.S.
Maybe. At least maybe later this week.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!
No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.
Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.
Today!? No way! I never heard this rumor!
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!
And if you’re going by prequel “rules,” they (or at least Obi-Wan) believed that Luke - or at least, one of Anakin’s children - was the Chosen One, rather than Anakin himself as they’d all believed before. So, by buying into the prophecy, yeah, he would’ve seen Luke as the “last hope.”
I’m glad that the new movies are completely am bonding the mentions of a “prophecy” and “the chosen one.” It was never mentioned in the original trilogy, so why did Lucas introduce it in the prequels. So rather than killing Palpatine because he loved his son, Vader killed him because the “prophecy” foretold that he would “bring balance to the Force.”
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
The real question is whether the ST will be more loved than the PT.
I think the movies will. But the video games, books, comics and cartoons that expand the PT era will be viewed as better than the ST era expanded universe.
I disagree. The other forms of media helped fill in plot holes that Lucas made in the prequels, and while they are better than the prequels, I would not say that they’re better than the sequel trilogy. Not to get off topic, but in my opinion, I did think the original Clone Wars micro-series was the most underrated piece of Star Wars content yet, and I thought Filoni’s series was VERY hit and miss. As for the sequel trilogy expanded universe, it’s good, but it’s still young in the amount of content compared to the twenty years of expanded content the prequels received. Let’s just see where it goes and just let it grow.
Even in the first few years of the PT, there was already a ton of new content because of the Clone Wars multimedia project. Especially in the area of video games, the early 2000’s gave us Battlefront, KOTOR, Republic Commando, Star Wars: Galaxies etc. So far all we’ve got from EA in the nearly 6 years since they got the rights to Star Wars games are 2 very mediocre Battlefront remakes. Also, say what you will about both Clone Wars series’, but they’re both certainly better than Resistance. I hope that the ST period gets some expansion, but it seems to be developing way slower than the PT expanded universe.
Definitely slower, but remember that a lot of PT content came after the movies (TCW premiered in 08, and we already have far more content from Resistance than we had from the contemporary Clone Wars series - quality aside). Don’t forget too that saying the Clone Wars multimedia project was “in the first few years of the PT” is inaccurate, as that didn’t kick off until after AOTC came out (and then continued after ROTS). There was definitely more, but it’s easy to misremember what came out when (not to mention, the PT had two extra years to fill out).
I think that, in-universe eras aside, there’s an argument to be made that the Disney years have been just as good when it comes to books and comics. Video game-wise things were indisputably better when LucasArts was still around (though the new Battlefronts are far from “mediocre”).
Maybe, I still remember there being way more stuff when the Prequels came out, though I was fairly young, so that may be why. Hopefully the early 2020s will have some good stuff. Also, the new Battlefronts have a ton of problems that are well documented. Jim Sterling recently did a pretty good video on EA’s Battlefront games.
I was young too, so most of the stuff I remember is the wealth of kid-oriented content - exactly the kind of stuff that exists now that we, being older and not the target demo, aren’t even aware of.
As for the Battlefronts, I don’t need to watch a video. I have played both games quite a bit. The biggest things the fans complained about during each game’s rollout have been fixed at this point.
Even though this discussion is about Episode IX, I do agree with you about the way EA is handling the Star Wars games. I too am also very disappointed with their reputation with the Star Wars license. Not every Star Wars game LucasArts put out was good, but there were many memorable and good games to come out from them. But yes, I was also upset when I heard that they shut down.
The real question is whether the ST will be more loved than the PT.
I think the movies will. But the video games, books, comics and cartoons that expand the PT era will be viewed as better than the ST era expanded universe.
I disagree. The other forms of media helped fill in plot holes that Lucas made in the prequels, and while they are better than the prequels, I would not say that they’re better than the sequel trilogy. Not to get off topic, but in my opinion, I did think the original Clone Wars micro-series was the most underrated piece of Star Wars content yet, and I thought Filoni’s series was VERY hit and miss. As for the sequel trilogy expanded universe, it’s good, but it’s still young in the amount of content compared to the twenty years of expanded content the prequels received. Let’s just see where it goes and just let it grow.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
IMO they will be kind of like how the prequels are viewed today. Where there’s some who still dislike every aspect of them, but most will have learned to live with the bad parts and enjoy the good.
I’m hoping that the sequel trilogy will be viewed today the way The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are viewed today. When they first came out, The Empire Strikes Back received mixed reviews, and there were a good number of people that thought Return of the Jedi was a bad movie. Now they are both loved by everyone.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?