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OutboundFlight said:

Maybe it is just my expectations subverted, but I would prefer to see Ben properly end the saga. His death would mark a true conclusion, rather than it being “the Skywalkers are all gone but Rey has founded the New New Jedi and all will be well for 30 years”. Most that comes down to how they present the ending.

I really hope Ben doesn’t die. It would be a waste of his character moving forward.

Hal 9000 said:

The wipes weren’t redone for ROTJ, and that wipe in particular takes us into material from the OOT that I’ll need to use.

Okay. I wasn’t entirely sure.

All of the transition wipes were redone nicely in the Special Edition. As a suggestion, it might be nice to redo the wipe from the GNK droid’s feet burning to the Lapti Nek dance number in Return of the Jedi, if you are using an HD restoration such as the Despecialized Edition. I’m planning on making a hybridized custom version of the original trilogy too, and that is something I plan on trying to utilize.

yotsuya said:

The thing that has bothered me since the PT is that if becoming one with the force and becoming a force ghost is something that you have to learn, how did Anakin accomplish it? The PT sets it up that this is something Ben and Yoda have to learn and that Qui-gon didn’t manage to learn it completely. So how does Anakin do it? Did he start looking into it after Ben vanished? Or is it because he is the chosen one? If he is the chosen one his job isn’t finished and he should appear in this last film. To me, the ST doesn’t exist to close out the story from the OT, but to wrap up the extended story that the PT started. To me balance in the force mans light and dark sides together. The concept of the force being out of balance seems to originate with TPM and the PT doesn’t really give enough for it to feel balanced after ROTJ. At that point all the good and bad of old have been wiped away and there is just Luke. But to really finish off the story as it was expanded in the PT, we really needed to see how it gets balanced and the current story seems to be headed that way. TLJ was filled with it and so was TFA. So even if the title of the episode isn’t Balance of the Force, I expect that to be a one line summary of the story.

I believe Anakin was able to appear because Obi-Wan and Yoda gave helped him learn. There was an older novel called The Story of Darth Vader from 2008 that ended with Anakin crying to Obi-Wan after dying, and Kenobi allowed Skywalker to become one with the Force so he could see Luke again.

OutboundFlight said:

Mocata said:

The films doesn’t need anything to do with Anakin or Vader, something that is so played out and over done that it’s a toy selling joke at this stage. The tragedy of Vader gimme a break.

I’ve always assumed the tragedy of Vader was the entire saga. It just isn’t as obvious in the ST.

The Prequels are about Anakain’s fall, the Originals Anakin’s dark deeds and eventually redeemption. I think the Sequels are about Anakin’s legacy.

Kylo is motivated by Vader, hence the “tradegy” continues. Buy Rey is motivated by Luke, who was by extension motivated by Anakin. These two sides are conflicting.

With that in mind I hope for Hayden to return and play a vital role in redeeming Kylo (alongside Rey of course). Therefore closing the tradegy of Darth Vader.

The entire saga, while it does follow the Skywalker family, hence the reason why some call it the “Skywalker Saga”, does have specific focuses for each trilogy. The prequels were about the brotherly relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan, the originals were about the family relationship between Luke and Vader, and the sequels are about the struggling and developing romance between Rey and Kylo Ren.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

That Liam Neeson wasn’t able to record a voiceover for that scene in Episode III made Yoda’s mention of it to Obi Wan all the more cryptic and confusing.
Not sure I want to see Obi Wan communing with Qui-Gon’s ghost in the rumored Kenobi series either.

I loved what Hal 9000 did with his edit of Revenge of the Sith by adding in that dialogue from lines Liam Neeson recorded for Clone Wars.

Wait, that happened? I don’t remember it, and it’s not in the Fanedit.org change list.

It’s not listed, but he did add in Qui-Gon’s line, “Yoda. My old friend. Come to Dagobah. You must complete what I could not.”

Found it. That’s pretty cool, and fits extremely well.

I agree. It fills in a plot hole the film originally had.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

That Liam Neeson wasn’t able to record a voiceover for that scene in Episode III made Yoda’s mention of it to Obi Wan all the more cryptic and confusing.
Not sure I want to see Obi Wan communing with Qui-Gon’s ghost in the rumored Kenobi series either.

I loved what Hal 9000 did with his edit of Revenge of the Sith by adding in that dialogue from lines Liam Neeson recorded for Clone Wars.

Wait, that happened? I don’t remember it, and it’s not in the Fanedit.org change list.

It’s not listed, but he did add in Qui-Gon’s line, “Yoda. My old friend. Come to Dagobah. You must complete what I could not.”

SilverWook said:

That Liam Neeson wasn’t able to record a voiceover for that scene in Episode III made Yoda’s mention of it to Obi Wan all the more cryptic and confusing.
Not sure I want to see Obi Wan communing with Qui-Gon’s ghost in the rumored Kenobi series either.

I loved what Hal 9000 did with his edit of Revenge of the Sith by adding in that dialogue from lines Liam Neeson recorded for Clone Wars.

SilverWook said:

nl0428 said:

Mocata said:

The films doesn’t need anything to do with Anakin or Vader, something that is so played out and over done that it’s a toy selling joke at this stage. The tragedy of Vader gimme a break.

What we do need however is a ghost or vision of some kind. I’m thinking Kylo seeing the past, and feeling regret. He dreams about his parents and his uncle. Something he buried under all the rage. And then he realises he screwed up. Get all three classic main characters in one last scene, something special. Then he can die.

I think there was a rumor recently about Han being seen again in a flashback, but the internet is spilling over with Episode IX rumors of all kinds at this point, mostly from click-bait sorts of sites.

And that gif is going to haunt my dreams for a while. What’s scary is I think I know where that doll comes from. 😮

I’m sorry. I didn’t mean for something like that to happen to you.

Mocata said:

The films doesn’t need anything to do with Anakin or Vader, something that is so played out and over done that it’s a toy selling joke at this stage. The tragedy of Vader gimme a break.

What we do need however is a ghost or vision of some kind. I’m thinking Kylo seeing the past, and feeling regret. He dreams about his parents and his uncle. Something he buried under all the rage. And then he realises he screwed up. Get all three classic main characters in one last scene, something special. Then he can die.

SilverWook said:

Another possibility is seeing Anakin in a Force vision. They did almost use a ESB Luke double for Rey’s vision of Bespin in TFA.

Isn’t that just crazy that this image got leaked. I’m a bit surprised we at least didn’t see hear Luke and Vader’s sabers clashing as the sounds echo down the hallway, even if we didn’t see them fighting behind Rey. I still think they should’ve added a young Ben Solo looking up at Snoke that Rey sees down the hallway like it was described in the novelization.

Zachary VIII said:

nl0428 said:

Zachary VIII said:

SilverWook said:

OutboundFlight said:

One possibility with force ghosts is they aren’t the ones projecting themselves… but rather it is the Jedi who are seeing the dead.

I mean, are you seriosuly telling me out of all the Jedi who fought in the Clone Wars only three were deemed worthy enough of force ghost… when one of them slaughtered millions?

Also see how only Luke notices the ghosts on Endor.

My theory is in the SW universe everyone who dies goes to the afterworld. They cannot interact with the real world unless someone they know has mastery over the force.

So if Rey wanted, she could see a force ghost of Han Solo. Because she calls for guidance from the light or whatever. Same for Ben… he could meet both the ghost of Vader and the ghost of Anakin, because he feels the pull of both sides.

I know this has been deemed uncanon by Yoda’s reference at the end of Ep 3 but Star Wars has changed things in lore before.

Great post! If it happens, I think it’s going to be Ben who somehow summons Anakin. With Snoke presumably gone, he’s still looking for something, and I doubt he’s abandoned his worship of Vader.

I think Ben’s “Let the past die” comments contradict him looking for Vader’s guidance. Though he’s in charge of what’s basically a neo-Empire. So maybe his whole philosophy is more about angst and less about consistency.

I really hope Ben doesn’t start wearing the Kylo Ren mask in Episode IX, as its backtracking on himself as a character, like nothing has happened to make him decide to stop acting like Vader.

I’m afraid there is some legit looking concept art floating around that seems to show Ben wearing a cracked mask. I really hope it doesn’t make it to the final product.

I know. I’ve seen it.

Zachary VIII said:

SilverWook said:

OutboundFlight said:

One possibility with force ghosts is they aren’t the ones projecting themselves… but rather it is the Jedi who are seeing the dead.

I mean, are you seriosuly telling me out of all the Jedi who fought in the Clone Wars only three were deemed worthy enough of force ghost… when one of them slaughtered millions?

Also see how only Luke notices the ghosts on Endor.

My theory is in the SW universe everyone who dies goes to the afterworld. They cannot interact with the real world unless someone they know has mastery over the force.

So if Rey wanted, she could see a force ghost of Han Solo. Because she calls for guidance from the light or whatever. Same for Ben… he could meet both the ghost of Vader and the ghost of Anakin, because he feels the pull of both sides.

I know this has been deemed uncanon by Yoda’s reference at the end of Ep 3 but Star Wars has changed things in lore before.

Great post! If it happens, I think it’s going to be Ben who somehow summons Anakin. With Snoke presumably gone, he’s still looking for something, and I doubt he’s abandoned his worship of Vader.

I think Ben’s “Let the past die” comments contradict him looking for Vader’s guidance. Though he’s in charge of what’s basically a neo-Empire. So maybe his whole philosophy is more about angst and less about consistency.

When Ben destroyed his mask, that was a symbolism of him ditching his ways as being a Darth Vader impersonator. He was berated by Snoke, and while I still believe he looks up to Anakin as Vader, he isn’t going to go around wearing a mask anymore, as he has become his own self, yet still conflicted inside. I really hope Ben doesn’t start wearing the Kylo Ren mask in Episode IX, as its backtracking on himself as a character, like nothing has happened to make him decide to stop acting like Vader.

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I would find a conflicted Anakin ghost distasteful, as it would severely undermine the ending of ROTJ, which has always been one of my favorite things about SW.

JEDIT: Dom, you make a fair point about the realism, but I do like it a great deal for the archetypical value. It’s more about Luke at that point than Anakin per se. I suppose it’s one of many things that pervade SW with more symbolic value than realistic or intricate.

For me it’s not a matter of realism. It’s a matter of character and story, and I feel it’s fitting for neither. Maybe after ANH it would be okay, but ESB expands beyond mere fairy tale and simple black and white morality. The dark side is serious business and in my mind it’s stronger if Luke has to live without his father as a reminder of where that path takes you than being able to chat with him whenever. Anakin’s death is a lot more effective if we know this is the only chance either of them actually got to speak with each other. For Anakin, after the PT and the “tragedy” of Darth Vader, it feels very wrong for Anakin to turn around and end up with the “cheating death” that sent him down the dark path in the first place. In my mind there’s no poetic justice when he’s 100% forgiven for his misdeeds so easily.

I think it’s just a way to try to recapture the excitement and elation of the throne room finale of ANH, but by this point the saga has evolved and gained a depth that doesn’t support the sort of non-bitter totally sweet celebratory ending of ROTJ.

To bring this back on topic, if IX has an over the top fairy tale happy ending, I don’t think that’s the emotion I’ll necessarily be feeling.

Redemption and forgiveness have always been some of the most important and relevant themes of Star Wars.

But there is such a thing as pushing it too far.

The Star Wars films have always echoed one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTPdeuh0e8

Again, but this time I’m not sure what your point is.

My point is that Star Wars is not about lust or revenge, it’s about redemption, love, and understanding about how good people can go down dark paths. Anakin turned to the Dark Side due to lust of power and the misconceptions that the Jedi didn’t trust him as one of them. He came back because of his son, and sacrificed himself to save Luke. Ben, on the other hand, was lonely, isolated, and for the most part, betrayed by his family. I believe his redemption is more needed than Anakin’s because of how much younger and inexperienced he is compared to his grandfather, as well as the sad events that have occurred in his life. If he does come back to the Light, it is highly likely that he does not die. He hasn’t had a complete story/life yet. There is still more to tell with him, especially with the interesting relationship that has developed between him and Rey.

What does that have to do with what I was talking about? You’re not saying anything I disagree with.

I’m just stating the meaning that Star Wars has had as well as my feelings. Are you saying that you did not like the themes of redemption and Vader’s redemption in Return of the Jedi?

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I just disagree with giving him a force ghost.

Why, though? He died as a hero and I believe Obi-Wan and Yoda allowed him to become a visible spirit in the Force.

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I would find a conflicted Anakin ghost distasteful, as it would severely undermine the ending of ROTJ, which has always been one of my favorite things about SW.

JEDIT: Dom, you make a fair point about the realism, but I do like it a great deal for the archetypical value. It’s more about Luke at that point than Anakin per se. I suppose it’s one of many things that pervade SW with more symbolic value than realistic or intricate.

For me it’s not a matter of realism. It’s a matter of character and story, and I feel it’s fitting for neither. Maybe after ANH it would be okay, but ESB expands beyond mere fairy tale and simple black and white morality. The dark side is serious business and in my mind it’s stronger if Luke has to live without his father as a reminder of where that path takes you than being able to chat with him whenever. Anakin’s death is a lot more effective if we know this is the only chance either of them actually got to speak with each other. For Anakin, after the PT and the “tragedy” of Darth Vader, it feels very wrong for Anakin to turn around and end up with the “cheating death” that sent him down the dark path in the first place. In my mind there’s no poetic justice when he’s 100% forgiven for his misdeeds so easily.

I think it’s just a way to try to recapture the excitement and elation of the throne room finale of ANH, but by this point the saga has evolved and gained a depth that doesn’t support the sort of non-bitter totally sweet celebratory ending of ROTJ.

To bring this back on topic, if IX has an over the top fairy tale happy ending, I don’t think that’s the emotion I’ll necessarily be feeling.

Redemption and forgiveness have always been some of the most important and relevant themes of Star Wars.

But there is such a thing as pushing it too far.

The Star Wars films have always echoed one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTPdeuh0e8

Again, but this time I’m not sure what your point is.

My point is that Star Wars is not about lust or revenge, it’s about redemption, love, and understanding about how good people can go down dark paths. Anakin turned to the Dark Side due to lust of power and the misconceptions that the Jedi didn’t trust him as one of them. He came back because of his son, and sacrificed himself to save Luke. Ben, on the other hand, was lonely, isolated, and for the most part, betrayed by his family. I believe his redemption is more needed than Anakin’s because of how much younger and inexperienced he is compared to his grandfather, as well as the sad events that have occurred in his life. If he does come back to the Light, it is highly likely that he does not die. He hasn’t had a complete story/life yet. There is still more to tell with him, especially with the interesting relationship that has developed between him and Rey.

What does that have to do with what I was talking about? You’re not saying anything I disagree with.

I’m just stating the meaning that Star Wars has had as well as my feelings. Are you saying that you did not like the themes of redemption and Vader’s redemption in Return of the Jedi?

Lesser said:

I think it would be fascinating to showcase more force ghost “rules” and whatnot. I mean Luke appears to be the only one that sees them in ROTJ. Maybe depending on the soul of the individual, Luke sees Anakin as a Jedi from his prime, but maybe if Leia were to see his force ghost it would be the Sebastian version? Perhaps the whole conflicted force ghost Anakin thing was about exploring that idea, and maybe Kylo kept seeing that for idolizing Vader?

If force ghost Anakin were to return, and I think he should 100% along with Obi-Wan, I think it’d be interesting and satisfying to most people if we look into that aspect of force ghosts and hopefully see Hayden AND Sebastian’s Anakin.

I agree with you, but the usages of Force spirits should be small and reduced to a special cameo appearance in Episode IX, as that is not the main focus of the film. Seeing Luke and possibly Anakin is the most we’ll ever see Episode IX.

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I would find a conflicted Anakin ghost distasteful, as it would severely undermine the ending of ROTJ, which has always been one of my favorite things about SW.

JEDIT: Dom, you make a fair point about the realism, but I do like it a great deal for the archetypical value. It’s more about Luke at that point than Anakin per se. I suppose it’s one of many things that pervade SW with more symbolic value than realistic or intricate.

For me it’s not a matter of realism. It’s a matter of character and story, and I feel it’s fitting for neither. Maybe after ANH it would be okay, but ESB expands beyond mere fairy tale and simple black and white morality. The dark side is serious business and in my mind it’s stronger if Luke has to live without his father as a reminder of where that path takes you than being able to chat with him whenever. Anakin’s death is a lot more effective if we know this is the only chance either of them actually got to speak with each other. For Anakin, after the PT and the “tragedy” of Darth Vader, it feels very wrong for Anakin to turn around and end up with the “cheating death” that sent him down the dark path in the first place. In my mind there’s no poetic justice when he’s 100% forgiven for his misdeeds so easily.

I think it’s just a way to try to recapture the excitement and elation of the throne room finale of ANH, but by this point the saga has evolved and gained a depth that doesn’t support the sort of non-bitter totally sweet celebratory ending of ROTJ.

To bring this back on topic, if IX has an over the top fairy tale happy ending, I don’t think that’s the emotion I’ll necessarily be feeling.

Redemption and forgiveness have always been some of the most important and relevant themes of Star Wars.

But there is such a thing as pushing it too far.

The Star Wars films have always echoed one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTPdeuh0e8

Again, but this time I’m not sure what your point is.

My point is that Star Wars is not about lust or revenge, it’s about redemption, love, and understanding about how good people can go down dark paths. Anakin turned to the Dark Side due to lust of power and the misconceptions that the Jedi didn’t trust him as one of them. He came back because of his son, and sacrificed himself to save Luke. Ben, on the other hand, was lonely, isolated, and for the most part, betrayed by his family. I believe his redemption is more needed than Anakin’s because of how much younger and inexperienced he is compared to his grandfather, as well as the sad events that have occurred in his life. If he does come back to the Light, it is highly likely that he does not die. He hasn’t had a complete story/life yet. There is still more to tell with him, especially with the interesting relationship that has developed between him and Rey.

DominicCobb said:

nl0428 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I would find a conflicted Anakin ghost distasteful, as it would severely undermine the ending of ROTJ, which has always been one of my favorite things about SW.

JEDIT: Dom, you make a fair point about the realism, but I do like it a great deal for the archetypical value. It’s more about Luke at that point than Anakin per se. I suppose it’s one of many things that pervade SW with more symbolic value than realistic or intricate.

For me it’s not a matter of realism. It’s a matter of character and story, and I feel it’s fitting for neither. Maybe after ANH it would be okay, but ESB expands beyond mere fairy tale and simple black and white morality. The dark side is serious business and in my mind it’s stronger if Luke has to live without his father as a reminder of where that path takes you than being able to chat with him whenever. Anakin’s death is a lot more effective if we know this is the only chance either of them actually got to speak with each other. For Anakin, after the PT and the “tragedy” of Darth Vader, it feels very wrong for Anakin to turn around and end up with the “cheating death” that sent him down the dark path in the first place. In my mind there’s no poetic justice when he’s 100% forgiven for his misdeeds so easily.

I think it’s just a way to try to recapture the excitement and elation of the throne room finale of ANH, but by this point the saga has evolved and gained a depth that doesn’t support the sort of non-bitter totally sweet celebratory ending of ROTJ.

To bring this back on topic, if IX has an over the top fairy tale happy ending, I don’t think that’s the emotion I’ll necessarily be feeling.

Redemption and forgiveness have always been some of the most important and relevant themes of Star Wars.

But there is such a thing as pushing it too far.

The Star Wars films have always echoed one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTPdeuh0e8

DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

I would find a conflicted Anakin ghost distasteful, as it would severely undermine the ending of ROTJ, which has always been one of my favorite things about SW.

JEDIT: Dom, you make a fair point about the realism, but I do like it a great deal for the archetypical value. It’s more about Luke at that point than Anakin per se. I suppose it’s one of many things that pervade SW with more symbolic value than realistic or intricate.

For me it’s not a matter of realism. It’s a matter of character and story, and I feel it’s fitting for neither. Maybe after ANH it would be okay, but ESB expands beyond mere fairy tale and simple black and white morality. The dark side is serious business and in my mind it’s stronger if Luke has to live without his father as a reminder of where that path takes you than being able to chat with him whenever. Anakin’s death is a lot more effective if we know this is the only chance either of them actually got to speak with each other. For Anakin, after the PT and the “tragedy” of Darth Vader, it feels very wrong for Anakin to turn around and end up with the “cheating death” that sent him down the dark path in the first place. In my mind there’s no poetic justice when he’s 100% forgiven for his misdeeds so easily.

I think it’s just a way to try to recapture the excitement and elation of the throne room finale of ANH, but by this point the saga has evolved and gained a depth that doesn’t support the sort of non-bitter totally sweet celebratory ending of ROTJ.

To bring this back on topic, if IX has an over the top fairy tale happy ending, I don’t think that’s the emotion I’ll necessarily be feeling.

Redemption and forgiveness have always been some of the most important and relevant themes of Star Wars.

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

I liked the concept they almost went with in TFA, having Anakin shift between the light and the dark in his appearance. He might also be the only one Ben might listen to, given his Vader worship.

It would be really disturbing if a cast off dark side persona took on a life of it’s own. A Vader apparition without any good left in it.

It’s an interesting idea to have a Anakin/Vader hybrid ghost, but it’s a little too far fetched for me. I think you could introduce Dark Side Force sprits, but I believe it needs to be done right, rather than doing it just because it seems cool. Very much like why Lucas gave Yoda a lightsaber in the prequels. Plus, Anakin’s already been redeemed. Having a hybrid Light and Dark side ghost would feel like backtracking for Anakin as a character, especially since he’s now dead.

SilverWook said:

I liked the concept they almost went with in TFA, having Anakin shift between the light and the dark in his appearance. He might also be the only one Ben might listen to, given his Vader worship.

It would be really disturbing if a cast off dark side persona took on a life of it’s own. A Vader apparition without any good left in it.

It’s an interesting idea to have a Anakin/Vader hybrid ghost, but it’s a little too far fetched for me. I think you could introduce Dark Side Force sprits, but I believe it needs to be done right, rather than doing it just because it seems cool. Very much like why Lucas gave Yoda a lightsaber in the prequels. Plus, Anakin’s already been redeemed. Having a hybrid Light and Dark side ghost would feel like backtracking for Anakin as a character, especially since he’s now dead.

DominicCobb said:

As someone who doesn’t think Anakin should have a force ghost, I would not be happy regardless of appearance. That being said, controversial opinion, but if he appears it should be Hayden, but just how he looks now, nothing crazy.

I still think a scene between Luke, Anakin and Kylo Ren in Episode IX could work really well. Granted, that a special appearance by Anakin would be fan service, but this would be fan service used right where it plays a role in the story and character arcs. I personally strongly dislike fan service in movies, but it can be done right. Some good examples include Yoda’s appearance in The Last Jedi and R2-D2 showing Luke Leia’s original message.

Hal 9000 said:

How would you feel about a spirited appearance from Anakin if they made Hayden kinda/sorta resemble Shaw, and portrayed him as something like 40?

I wish Lucas didn’t change Anakin’s appearance at the end of Return of the Jedi, but since the Special Editions are canon, it would probably be Hayden Christensen. They could add a little bit of aged makeup on his face to make him look a bit aged than his appearance in Revenge of the Sith.

Mocata said:

RogueLeader said:

It is extremely interesting though, isn’t it? How some fans now would be begging for George to have a hand at the script, when that idea would be a joke 10 years ago.

Since ROTS the prequels have slowly mutated from just movies, into ideas of movies, to ideas of memes. Now the internet has absorbed the whole thing and slowly spews out Palpatine image macros that have no relevance to the actual reality of movies that are below average at best. Meanwhile George’s position as “genius creator” remains unchallenged in a way that many will believe his now Disney branded version of events. Interesting? Maybe. But not surprising. People are weird and fickle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klH2F08hp_A

RogueLeader said:

It is extremely interesting though, isn’t it? How some fans now would be begging for George to have a hand at the script, when that idea would be a joke 10 years ago.

I agree.