Hey, Hal. I understand the many changes and things that can be done, I get it. But hopefully we can make fan editing fun rather than being like work for you. It should at least be something to enjoy and not put stress on you. Hopefully there is something we can do about that to help you in some way.
And that’s an interesting idea to use Ben’s clothes! Not sure how doable it would be, I really am not sure.
Someone could use VFX to recolor the cloth black, possibly.
Well, there’d be that snippet followed by a long gap with no music, another DOTF snippet, then the existing score. I think it’d be better with just what you’ve already done.
What about the music that LILLIAN used in his clip? I’m not sure if I said his name right.
Not to speak for Hal but this feels like a continuation and conclusion of his own ST edits in and of themselves, not necessarily the theatrical versions. Which I think everyone is doing a fairly good job of respecting thus far.
I agree on that.
So just a random question I had in mind that I probably already know the answer to. Many can conclude saying that The Rise of Skywalker is more of a continuation to The Force Awakens than it is The Last Jedi. Are we trying to make sure that this edit is a continuation of The Last Jedi? Personally, I feel that making it a sequel to Episode VIII is important.
How I thought it would feel nearing the very end of the ‘9000 Saga’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=248ggPoK158&t=12s
What it actually feels like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jxhJYmo7o
So… you’re disappointed that work on this edit may never truly end?
No, just that it’s more melancholy than triumphant.
That’s how I also feel about Lucasfilm saying that The Rise of Skywalker is the final episodic film in the saga. Of course, I think many of us know that that won’t necessarily be the case forever.
How I thought it would feel nearing the very end of the ‘9000 Saga’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=248ggPoK158&t=12s
What it actually feels like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jxhJYmo7o
So… you’re disappointed that work on this edit may never truly end?
Are you asking for the link, alansano95?
Do you think it’s possible that one or both versions could be completed and uploaded to Drive for a holiday release around November or December?
Sorry, yeah, I didn’t have time to respond when I saw it and then I forgot!
I had blocked up that scene at some point before and I don’t remember exactly how it went. But I feel like it was better that way and didn’t leave any lose ends. (The ending scene)
The hangar scene doesn’t feel right to me, as theres a dramatic reveal that Palpatine tried to kill her because of… something he didn’t know.
Sorry, I know that’s kind of negative and vague for right now.
Don’t worry about it, I think it needs work too, but cutting it together this way is how we can get around it as a start. I am proud with how the Exegol scene turned out.
I don’t know what you thought about the samples I posted, Hal. Just for a future Rey Nobody edit.
Since we haven’t heard back from DominicCobb in a while, I decided to re-cut two samples for a Rey Nobody edit. I think Dominic’s work with Kylo Ren and Palpatine at the beginning and Rey and Luke’s scene are perfect cut together for a Rey Nobody attempt. I’m not sure how you feel about the way he cut together Kylo Ren and Rey’s Force duel with them telling the story of her parents, as that could possibly be used for the Rey Nobody edit.
Anyways, here are some samples for a Rey Nobody edit.
https://vimeo.com/440435237
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https://vimeo.com/440436663
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I think Palpatine’s line, “The only family you have here …is me” still works in the context that they’re not related, as it is something he could have said to Vader at the end of Revenge of the Sith after mourning the loss of Padmé.
If doing a Rey nobody version, would you remove Palpatine offering the throne to Rey by re-purposing it as Palpatine telling her to kill him so she could give in to the Dark Side?
Just viewed the new workprint. I have to say that the work that is being done here is terrific and is beginning to restore my faith in saving Episode IX. I do want to still ask if the Rey nobody version is still happening, Hal?
Nice work, kewlfish! You and Movies Remastered seem well equipped to see this through.
And about Ben’s death, if someone would be able and wish to do the two or three effects shots, I’m sure I or someone can get audio to match. That’s a big if, but I’ll leave it open and we’ll just see.
Thanks, Hal. Sorry about the first attempt with the re-score from yesterday.
Here’s another go at Ben’s death, but with the original score. I probably shouldn’t have tried re-scoring the scene on the first attempt. There might be a better way at extending what John Williams did here, or use another track from the soundtrack, but here’s another try at extending the death. Recutting, regrading and some FX work will be needed in order to achieve this fully.
https://vimeo.com/439630102
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^ Everyone fully respects the work and quality JJP has accomplished with these edits.
Yet it is up to the editor if they want to make their work available or not, this is especially so in light of what has occurred with these ‘advance clips’ and since (with the threats and harrassment towards JJPotter from this entitled idiot).
It is not the community as such that needs to learn from this - just entitled idiots who resort to such threats and harrassment (and also smear JJPotter’s work) because they do not get their own way.
Yes. Ultimately, do not let people like this win just to tear you down. This is a horrible act of cyberbullying. I hope you’ll return JJP!
I believe it’s been mentioned, but has someone tried inserting in a subtle sound effect of the Force Skype connection when Rey looks out at the ghosts?
Yeah, not a fan of the music, but I do like the idea of creating a another wide shot to give the moment of Ben’s death some breathing room. I felt like it just went by so fast from it. If we couldn’t find a way to create the necessary elements for the wide, I wonder if we could just extend the moment, like Dom managed to do for Rey vs TIE on Pasaana and Rey on Ahch-To.
Dido!
I think that’ll be more than adequate for purposes of cover artwork. Again, very nicely done.
And, Noah. I like the idea but I’d hate to lose the original score for that scene and moment. I think it’ll be another one on the reject pile. But I’m glad you mocked it up and we had another idea to consider.
It’s not the re-score that’s the main part of the concept, but extending the sequence. The original music can still be used and extended with the extra shots.
Here it is. It’s been quite a while since I’ve shared an attempt. Mind that this is very rough and is showcasing how Ben’s death could be extended slightly and recut to have a stronger emotional impact.
https://vimeo.com/439418384
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I just realized that some of the text got cut off. This is what it said.FX Work to Remove Ben and Insert Rey in New Position
Recoloring from Night to Day and Replace Background
FX Work to Stabilize Shot and Recolor (Shot of Wayfinder)
The music doesn’t work for me at all but the additional shots could work pretty well with the necessary FX work.
The music is from Samuel Kim. If anyone can find music similar to this, it would be great. I didn’t really like how the original score played out for the scene. It sounded a bit misleading, rushed and inappropriate for a emotional scene such as this.
Here it is. It’s been quite a while since I’ve shared an attempt. Mind that this is very rough and is showcasing how Ben’s death could be extended slightly and recut to have a stronger emotional impact.
https://vimeo.com/439418384
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EDIT:
I just realized that some of the text got cut off. This is what it said.
FX Work to Remove Ben and Insert Rey in New Position
Recoloring from Night to Day and Replace Background
FX Work to Stabilize Shot and Recolor (Shot of Wayfinder)
Hey, Hal? How would you feel if I tried to put together a possible extension or new re-cut of Ben’s death for more grieving over his loss?
That’s right. I remember the elevator scene as well.
My understanding is the networks don’t get official extended cuts from the studio (except maybe in the case of 1 & 2 since there has now been a retail release). They only get the pieces if they want to cobble something together themselves.
It’s why there is slight differences between ABC/Freeform edits and Syfy/USA/E! versions.
Do you know if someone has preserved the ABC broadcasts? I remember them doing a better job at putting together the extended Yule Ball ask out sequence. From my memory, it played out this way.
Harry & Ron in the Courtyard
Harry Attempts to Ask Cho Out
Hagrid & Maxime
Durmstrang Asks Out Ravenclaw
Krum Chased by Girls
ABC/Freeform’s edits were an amateur jobs. The official discs fix a lot of inconsistencies, audio sync issues, etc.
I’ve never compared 1:1 the discs to what Syfy is showing.I’m pretty sure I saw the effects-less rabbit hunt from DH on Syfy, but I could have hallucinated that.
I’ve recorded the SyFy broadcasts, just checked, and they do add in some deleted scenes. The editing for the extended elevator bit is pretty rough, as they also added in the Lovegood House track from the soundtrack. JJPotter did a better job in adding the scene back in.