Mango

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFTS3l2QfgY

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llXK2FXyuQs

Hmm. Yet another Trump supporter banned from the site. I’m starting to notice a pattern here.

Mango said:

Turisu said:

Ok. I can confirm that the UK BD framerate is 23.976fps. So if you ensure that your project is set to that framerate and you export at that framerate then there shouldn’t be any playback issues.

It’s sadly not possible to make a project at that framerate in final cut. The lowest it can do is 24fps, and I converted the m2ts you gave me into a format that Final cut could support, as m2ts files are unsupported. The source I used in Final Cut Pro was a 24fps mov with no quality loss, and I imported it into a 24fps project. For whatever reason, It lagged. The only speed it wouldn’t lag at was 60fps. Again, it is not adding interpolated frames unless I tell it to, so it’s even thought the project is at 60fps, the video runs at the proper frame rate. I think what we have is the best we’re gonna get. I might make a barebones Blu-ray later, and Encore will correct it to the proper framerate without any playback problems. This is the way it’s been for all my projects on here.

Turisu said:

Ok. I can confirm that the UK BD framerate is 23.976fps. So if you ensure that your project is set to that framerate and you export at that framerate then there shouldn’t be any playback issues.

The source I used in Final Cut Pro was 24fps, and I imported it into a 24fps project. For whatever reason, It lagged. The only speed it wouldn’t lag at was 60fps. Again, it is not adding interpolated frames unless I tell it to. I think what we have is the best we’re gonna get. I might make a barebones Blu-ray later, and Encore will correct it to the proper framerate without any playback problems. This is the way it’s been for all my projects on here.

Turisu said:

Thanks so much for this Mango and glad I could help. V2 is looking and sounding great.

If I may make an observation; as with V1, it’s still running at 60fps as opposed to the source (theatrical) framerate of 24fps meaning that the encoder has altered the source by adding duplicate frames. I can’t see any reason why this would be done deliberately so I’m guessing it’s an error in the encoding settings. Would it be a simple matter to re-encode with the original source framerate?

Well, I tried encoding at 24fps, but for some reason that caused it to drop frames and become choppy. I’ve had this problem with other projects in the past. It doesn’t add frames when I do this somehow, but it does keep it from becoming choppy. My guess is that Blu-ray rips of older movies especially are running at a high framerate to retain things like grain, where as the motion remains 24 fps. It’s something I’ve found with every project I do, and I don’t quite know the reason. I can tell you that it is non interpolated and doesn’t fill in frames unless I tell it to.

I don’t know, Final Cut Pro is weird. I could attempt a re encode, but it might cause some quality loss.

I want to go back into this project, but I recently learned about the blu-ray release in the UK last year. I don’t know how it looks, but it claims to be a new restoration. So, I’m going to order a copy of that, see how it looks and whether or not it has the mono audio track (I’ve heard whispers that it does.). If this release fixes the issues I had with the previous release, this project may be cancelled. Scream Factory also just announced a Steelbook Edition, but my guess is that its the Collectors Edition blu-ray repackaged.

V2 is available now. Contact me via PM for the link.

Huge thanks to Turisu for providing the UK BD source! 😃

Turisu said:

I’ve since learned that the 4K UHD has issues with macroblocking in fast moving scenes. Hence I’m putting forward (and offering) the UK 40th anniversary BD as the best available source.

If you’re willing to send rips of the UK blu-ray my way, I will attempt another restoration.

Look, I made this project because it interests me. I’m sorry I didn’t do it with the sources I was apparently supposed to use, I just used what was available to me. I’m not going to buy another copy of the movie just so this project can be completed by the standards that were apparently expected from me. If it truly is a “lost cause”, then I’m just done with it. If you guys really need it to be in 4K with lossless audio, you are free to try the project yourselves.

Oldfan said:

Correct. From what I’ve heard, the UK release from Second Sight has the original, untouched mono track. Plus the benefit of being lossless, unlike the DVD.

The original Dark Sky blu ray has it too. The one from around 2008. Perhaps I should’ve taken it from that. It’s too late to use it now because I don’t have the original project file and I idiotically forgot to save the settings I had. If I were to add it in, the video would suffer because it would be an export of an export. UGH. Sorry guys, guess I wasn’t thinking straight.

SpookyDollhouse said:

The newest UK edition has original mono audio; what we got in the states is a fold-down of the 5.1 remix. If you’d like I can rip that track for ya if you’d like that instead.

No thanks. The original pioneer DVD has the REAL original mono mix. The 40th Anniversary and UK bluray were ripped from the 35mm version which had edits to the audio as mentioned in the first post.

VERSION 4 IN PROGRESS.

Version 4 features a nearly shot by shot picture correction based on original trailers, tv spots, and promo photos, just like Version 3. After examing clips from “Terror In The Aisles” and thee original TV spots, it has been determined that the film originally had a reddish/pinkish tone.

A/V Source: UK 40th Anniversary Blu-ray
Donated by Turisu.

Screenshots:

Sorry guys, as the first post says, the blu-ray has been postponed to either late summer or early autumn. The MOV is still readily available. If you want it, send me a PM.

I also have a new regrade of another movie that I will announce later tonight. Stay tuned. 😃

Ugh. Not to be a downer, but I’ve had a shitty week. Been dealing with a lot of personal problems, and I haven’t had time to encode the blu ray yet. Hopefully it’ll be ready sometime this weekend. I’ll get to it when I can. in the meantime, here’s the artwork for the bluray. I’m working on disc art as well.

Well, I have some good news and bad news. The bad news is that due to some technical problems, the blu-ray is still not ready. The good news is, I snagged a copy of the original 2000 DVD release (before the 20th anniversary version) which has the original theatrical stereo track. With little to no trouble, I was able to sync it with the mangowolf edition and the fullscreen laserdisc version. I will build a new version of the blu-ray tonight and start it encoding asap. The encoding process takes many hours, but I expect the blu-ray to be ready sometime tomorrow night. If not, it will definitely be ready before friday.

The Blu-ray is encoding as I type this. Here’s a side by side comparison of the Lightcyle scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIeRMAPxAtg&feature=youtu.be

Oldfan said:

Mango said:

Oldfan said:

I haven’t watched this yet (planning to check it out later today), but I noticed the frame rate is 60fps for the .mov file. I’m curious, what was the source used for this that the finished file is in 60fps?

I’m guessing since you have a blu-ray coming that it will be 23.976?

The color looks outstanding from what I’ve seen so far. I believe that this may indeed be much closer to what it looked like originally in theatres.

Is the full-frame laserdisk open-matte, or was it just cropped for 4:3? Either way it will be a cool extra.

I export everything in 60fps just to ensure that theres no lag (final cut pro is weird about that sometimes). It doesn’t upscale at all, so it’s still technically at the normal framerate, so it shouldn’t look any different. The laserdisc that I have is cropped to 4:3, (I’m not even sure if an open matte version exists). It will actually be available as a bonus DVD since I didn’t have time to include it on the blu-ray.

Thanks for the explanation. So it keeps all the same frames, not interpolated, so it keeps the same motion, but it still technically plays at 60fps, so it’s not true 23.976 output, correct? I’m guessing the blu-ray will be true 23.976?

Correct.

Oldfan said:

I haven’t watched this yet (planning to check it out later today), but I noticed the frame rate is 60fps for the .mov file. I’m curious, what was the source used for this that the finished file is in 60fps?

I’m guessing since you have a blu-ray coming that it will be 23.976?

The color looks outstanding from what I’ve seen so far. I believe that this may indeed be much closer to what it looked like originally in theatres.

Is the full-frame laserdisk open-matte, or was it just cropped for 4:3? Either way it will be a cool extra.

I export everything in 60fps just to ensure that theres no lag (final cut pro is weird about that sometimes). It doesn’t upscale at all, so it’s still technically at the normal framerate, so it shouldn’t look any different. The laserdisc that I have is cropped to 4:3, (I’m not even sure if an open matte version exists). It will actually be available as a bonus DVD since I didn’t have time to include it on the blu-ray.

Mango said:

Hey Guys. Sorry the Blu-ray isn’t ready yet. The reason is because I was waiting for my Laserdisc of Tron to arrive, so I could also include the fullscreen version. The laserdisc has a noticeable amount of bit rot throughout Side 2 which means that the restoration will take a bit more work. Also because of this, the audio on side 2 has a lot of distortion and crackling. I’ll see what I can do to help fix that, and I really wanted to include the true original stereo track from 1982, but I might have to resync the blu-ray audio.

Either way, I’m about to do some tests on the lightcycle scene from the laserdisc. I’ll post some screenshots and a video soon. Thanks to everyone who has taken interest in this project, and thanks to the wonderful people of this site!

I’ll get back to you guys soon!

Mango

Well, the color and contrast on the laserdisc is all over the place. Most of it has a blue tint but some shots don’t. As for the contrast, it just goes crazy on every shot. Every single shot looks COMPLETELY different, as If they performed a picture correction of some sort when they made the laserdisc. The strangest thing to me is that most of it still has that blue tint. I checked the old 2002 DVD and it looked more like the mangowolf Edition, so I don’t even know what the film is supposed to look like at this point.

Either way, I already finished the blu-ray restoration, so I think i’ll just try to get a nice clean rip of the laserdisc and not even do much to restore it. I have now clue how I would make it even resemble the blu-ray restoration, so it’ll just be a little bonus feature.

I’ll get back to you guys with more updates soon. Here are some of the restoration attempts I did with the laserdisc version of the light cycle scene. These were just a test, and I most likely won’t end up trying to do a proper restoration.

Before

After

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After

Hey Guys. Sorry the Blu-ray isn’t ready yet. The reason is because I was waiting for my Laserdisc of Tron to arrive, so I could also include the fullscreen version. The laserdisc has a noticeable amount of bit rot throughout Side 2 which means that the restoration will take a bit more work. Also because of this, the audio on side 2 has a lot of distortion and crackling. I’ll see what I can do to help fix that, and I really wanted to include the true original stereo track from 1982, but I might have to resync the blu-ray audio.

Either way, I’m about to do some tests on the lightcycle scene from the laserdisc. I’ll post some screenshots and a video soon. Thanks to everyone who has taken interest in this project, and thanks to the wonderful people of this site!

I’ll get back to you guys soon!

Mango

Almost ready! Here’s the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdU9QPMat9k

Project will include nearly shot by shot color correction based on a theatrical 35MM print and descriptions of the 70MM version.

Video Source: 2011 US Blu-ray
Audio Source: 1995 US Laserdisc

Mango

Just saw it today. It felt pretty good at first, but starting from that Leia scene, it just completely fell apart. Also, I kept getting distracted from the story by the cringeworthy “humor”.

Having some technical problems, so it’s taking longer than expected. I’ll try to get this released sometime next week.