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#908241
Topic
Episode IV: A Ridiculous Hope
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TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:
OT Vader doesn’t ask stupid questions like that.

Maybe in the next cut for the 4k blu ray: in ESB, instead of “all too easy” we’ll hear “what have I done ?”. He shall even say that line every time he does something bad in the OT. So, inconsistency fixed !

Please post that idea here and I’ll give you credit when I use it.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-IV-A-Ridiculous-Hope/id/15697

So:

Maybe in the next cut for the 4k blu ray: in ESB, instead of “all too easy” we’ll hear “what have I done ?”. He shall even say that line every time he does something bad in the OT. So, inconsistency fixed !

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#908238
Topic
The Fall of the Jedi Trilogy
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TV’s Frink said:
OT Vader doesn’t ask stupid questions like that.

Maybe in the next cut for the 4k blu ray: in ESB, instead of “all too easy” we’ll hear “what have I done ?”. He shall even say that line every time he does something bad in the OT. So, inconsistency fixed !

I still don’t buy how Anakin turns to the dark side, but at least with those terrible lines removed it looks less silly. What would be a great helper is an alternate shot where he does not cry after Windu’s death.

I wonder if it possible to edit the scene so he would just walk into the office and instantly help Palpatine by cutting Windu’s hand (just after he delivers the “you can’t” and “i need him” lines, with “he must stand trial” removed), and not sit afterwards but would rather stand and discuss with Palpatine their next move. So all the “dark side knighting” part of the scene should be removed, it would be implied that he is already Sidious apprentice since an off screen scene that would take place just after the Palpatine reveal (the “power to save Padmé” scene). Not sur it would work with the available material though.

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#908224
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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saf1916 said:
But if they’re fixing inconsistencies, there are far more important ones than this 😛

Yep, but Episode VII has practically dismissed the inconsistency of the Empire not using clone troopers in only two dialogue lines. I was a little bit disappointed that they didn’t extend the dialogue to add something about Kamino, like “Kamino facilities and clone engineering knowledge have been destroyed at the end of the Clone Wars anyway”. Again, it would be great to hear that line in ROGUE ONE.

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#908210
Topic
Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Finished!)
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Congrats. The cut list is promising. It seems you didn’t do anything about the meadow scene (that I hate with all my heart 😃 ), but I wasn’t convinced at first by a few choices you’ve made on the other episodes before changing my mind about them, so I guess I might be convinced by this one when I see the complete movie. Your list doesn’t mention either the younglings scene, which was removed in your v3, hope it stays out of v4 as well !

I’m highly interested by the Schorman HDTV source, the blu ray quality wasn’t that great for this movie (EpII has never been as good looking as the other two anyway).

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#907714
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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saf1916 said:
how they could have possibly built a bigger, better Death Star between eps 4-6

ROGUE ONE might give a answer to that. Maybe the geonosian project was too ambitious and suffered many failures over the years, before a simili Wernher Von Braun (= Mads Mikkelsen, as the space nazi scientist officer 😃 ) arrived to fix everything right. I would even love to see in this movie that a second death star is already being built in secret (and, why not in the background, plans for a crazy and impossible project called the “star killer base”…). So, with only 2/3 lines of dialogue Disney could settle for good one minor inconsistency. I hope they will !

@ Hal9000
I have finished the subtitles. I have also made a few corrections to A CLOAK OF DECEPTION file (for which I have finally chosen a better french title translation than the one used for the novel: “Un voile de dissimulation”, sounds better than “Un vent de trahison”). I’ll send the final files once I have also finished APPROACHING STORM.

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#907305
Topic
Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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Hal 9000 said:

Man, little is right. Sounds like a small pop.

JEDIT: For clarification, this pop is audible in at least V3 (and probably V1 and V2 as well). It’s in my source file, being the DVD audio upsampled to lossless (to avoid generational loss when I synced it to the BR partway through production to save myself a heap of work).

Just saying, I found this pop to be odd because there is no editing work on this particular shot.

I’ve shown your ending to my family members and they love the fact Padmé lives (I must be the only one to want her dead 😃). Appart from a few minor details I really like your cut (well, except the “Vader’s suit” sequence… at least the russian scream is less ridiculous so it’s still better), especially the way you’ve seamlessly removed little bits of dialogues that were very weird (as if the characters had read the screenplay and even seen the movie). Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda is great, I remember Liam Neeson was reported (rumor ?) to have recorded a voice over sequence back in 2004, but it was nowhere to be heard in the final cut for some reasons. Clever choice to complete this subplot with “Clone Wars” material (I would love to see Qui-Gon Force Ghost in “Episode 8: The First Order Strikes Back”).

I have finished a french srt file by the way. Waiting to watch the entire movie with my family so as to correct residual mistakes before I send it to you (and post the link here if it’s ok for you).

Again, very good job !

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#906909
Topic
what is considered by most fans to be the best edit of the prequels
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chyron8472 said:
It’s not incomprehensible. It works. Between 3 and 4, Obi-Wan would have learned of Vader’s existence and known it was Anakin. Besides, Obi-Wan never called Anakin “Vader” in the theatrical version anyway. And the OT has inconsistencies with itself, without the help of the PT.

Removing inconsistencies with new ones is not a good deal. There is no perfect way though.

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#906897
Topic
The Fall of the Jedi Trilogy
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Just to clear something up, in order to lessen any disappointment: Anakin’s fall to the dark side will never be really believable with the available material. All fan edits remove the silliness of his fall, but they can’t add necessary dialogues or scenes that have never been shot by Lucas and his crew. In the theatrical version his fall is silly, in edits his fall is just less silly (if you watch a few very good Clone Wars episodes before, it can smooth a little bit the steps that lead to his choice). But as a whole the movie is far more enjoyable (no more Palpatine paying his tribute to Jar Jar for instance), especially the added seed of rebellion subplot (I believe Lucas removed them from his final cut at the very end of production). Kerr’s seems heavily cut (88 minutes ?!?), try also Q2’s or Hal’s.

Sorry I don’t seem to be able to invite someone on myspleen (it says “no invites”): how does it work ?

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#906847
Topic
what is considered by most fans to be the best edit of the prequels
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I don’t think it works (if it does to you, I believe you): if you remove the naming and the suit from EpIII, some events of EpIV appear to be incomprehensible (“Vader, who was a people of mine”, “now I am the Master”) instead of being mysterious. Hence, the reveal of the end of EpV wouldn’t still be a reveal, because the audience (let’s assume someone who has never seen the movie before) would easily guess it with all the elements found in EpIV:

“well, Vader was Obi-Wan’s disciple (IV), we know he was seduced by the dark side (IV), he helped the Emperor to destroy the Jedi (IV), he has killed Anakin (IV), but Anakin was killed by Obi-Wan (III), and moreover he seems pretty damaged under this suit (V), so… yeah, this dude is Anakin. Why make a mystery to the audience of something so obvious ?”

The best way to keep the reveal is the full machete order: 4-5-1-2-3-6 (or 1-4-5-2-3-6).

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#906704
Topic
what is considered by most fans to be the best edit of the prequels
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chyron8472 said:
Oh, and have I mentioned that the scene of Padme alive on Alderaan with Leia clinches it for me and that it makes me smile every single time I see it? I haven’t?

If you had watched the movie this shot comes from, you wouldn’t smile at all…

( 😃 )

(funny fact is The Other Boleyn Girl is kinda a prequel to the Cate Blanchett Elisabeth movies).

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#906536
Topic
Star Wars Episode I: Cloak Of Deception (Finished!)
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I’ve made french subtitles for CLOAK OF DECEPTION, and I’m currently working on LABYRINTH OF EVIL, which is a little bit harder to do (4 deleted scenes which are highly talkative). I plan to do the same for APPROACHING STORM. It’s in french but it’s easy to use the srt file template to produce english subtitles. Note that I’m not going to produce the english version (I would however like to have them).

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#906089
Topic
what is considered by most fans to be the best edit of the prequels
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DominicCobb said:
Personally I go with Hal EpI, EpII, and L8 EpIII. But even then I’m not completely happy so I’ve decided that I’ll have to do my own hybrids at some point.

The same: Hal’s EpI is almost my perfect cut (as soon as I get a better source of L8 version and I correct Premiere Pro issues with Windows 10, I’ll try to make my hybrid of them); seems Hal’s EpII will also be very close to my taste (again, I’ll probably try to add some minor scenes from L8 version); as for EpIII, I have watched entirely Hal’s v4 version, and I must say that I agree with changes I didn’t support first (like removing entirely Yoda vs Sidious: the scene is fun and I like the symbolic of it, but there is too much silliness for such a dark moment of the saga, besides I’m not a huge fan of Yoda’s figthing, as he is a spiritual warrior; I’ll put it on a bonus section when I find time to build blu ray versions), but I still strongly disagree with his ending (from Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda - which I would keep 'cause it’s awesome - to the end credits) and I’m really missing the cut of the Jedi temple interior (not the youglings shot, I mean the large interior shot where clone troopers are killing Jedis). So, for the ending i’ll use L8 cut (I’ve read he’s been working on a v2 version, so I might wait to get it; in the meantime I’m getting Schorman’s HDTV version in order to have the theatrical ending in the exact same picture quality as Hal’s). L8’s EpIII is very good, but he tends to cut too much things (the opera entrance of Anakin, some of the space battle), and to leave other bits I don’t like (the balcony scene, Yoda escapes from Kashyyyk). I would call it even but Hal’s v4 is more polished and has a better picture quality.

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#905672
Topic
Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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I’ve watched the first half hour: it’s great. I’m impressed by the video quality of the deleted sequence (seed of rebellion). Contrary to your edits of EI and EII know I don’t agree on many things (all the ending especially, even if I do like some ideas like Qui-Gon voice), but it’s a very professional editing work, which improves greatly a “not so bad” movie (my perfect edit would mix yours with scenes from L8 version). I’m really looking forward to seeing your v4 of APPROACHING STORM, I really don’t like ATTACK OF THE CLONES but your v3 edit was very watchable.

@ chyron8472
What software do you use to burn blu ray discs of Hal’s trilogy ? I’m looking for one that would work on PC (I don’t have a Mac), with the possibility to add menu and bonus material.

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#905294
Topic
The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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Wexter said:

So you are proposing that the backstory should have gone something like this: Vader conceives two children, but they are both taken away before he learns about their existence – the boy is placed with someone named Skywalker, who wants to raise him as his own, but is soon murdered by Vader. I like it a lot, but it would really strengthen Luke’s motivation to go bad: not only did they blatantly lie to him, they even kidnapped him from his real family.

Well, again the twin plot and the abduction at birth is only contained in ROTJ. It doesn’t change anything to Luke, he still has been kidnapped from his real family (in Lucas canon, Owen and Beru are not bloodrelated to Luke).

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#905264
Topic
The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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About the famous reveal at the end of TESB: Darth Vader is Luke’s father, but it doesn’t imply necessarily that Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Besides, if you remove the part where Leia becomes Luke’s sister (it’s so obvious that Rey in TFA is what remains of the initial project concerning Luke’s real sister), it then becomes a lot easier to make prequels to the trilogy. Really, everything went wrong with RETURN OF THE JEDI (on every level: narrative, aesthetic, kids oriented tale, etc.). So, if you want desperately to have a 6 parts saga that does work with reveals untouched, you also need to make small changes to RETURN OF THE JEDI in order to erase the two problematic reveals (Leia and Vader = Anakin). Good luck with that…

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#904965
Topic
The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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Even if I don’t like the Prelogy (or PT), let’s be fair about the difficulty to make something logical out of the background stories contained in the OT:

  • Anakin forgot he had a son and has no clue he even had twins (really ?)
  • Leia’s mother has never tried to pay her son Luke a visit (?)
  • the Empire is ruled by an old man with skin issues and a cartoon laugh
  • Owen Lars is named Lars, not Skywalker, so only Beru is a Skywalker, moreover Anakin’s sister: is she Force sensitive ?
  • etc.

In fact, the PT went wrong the day Gary Kurtz left REVENGE OF THE JEDI pre-production, leaving Lucas on his own to finish the 4 new sequels in only one mediocre movie (Luke’s sister being Leia is the worst damage of the project getting shrinked) and the 3 prequels into this awkward and lazy trilogy (which can be fun from a certain point of view). Every Star Wars movie released since the marvellous EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is not worthy of the first two installments of the saga. THE FORCE AWAKENS looks OT but has a PT essence. So, when a 7 (soon 9) parts saga has 5 (soon 7) bad/mediocre movies, it’s hard to bring consistency in it.

That being said, I agree with those who think that the PT should have been set a very long time before A NEW HOPE, like 1000 years before. No Anakin, no Ben, no Palpatine, no Yoda, no Jar Jar. The PT could have even been set such a long time ago that Jedi and Sith didn’t exist the way they now do, with the Force as a living and surpernatural energy not completely released yet. To clarify my view, here are 3 examples of what the PT could have been like:

  • DARK CRYSTAL (yep, Gary Kurtz involved, hardly a surprise)

  • THE LEGEND OF KORRA Season 2 (the flash back episode with the first avatar)

  • SAMURAI JACK (the “birth of pure evil” episodes)

Star Wars went wrong when this incredible universe got resized to family business, and sadly THE FORCE AWAKENS keeps on this stupid idea. I hope ROGUE ONE does not contain references to any Skywalker family issues so it could at least stand as a proper EPISODE III (TPM can still be a “good” prequel film - especially in a fan edit form like A CLOAK OF DECEPTION - because it does not damage too much the OT*, and it could become the “real” EPISODE II if Disney were to produce a KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC movie that would nicely be the “real” EPISODE I).

(nevertheless I still want to see v4 of THE APPROACHING STORM and v2 of DAWN OF THE EMPIRE !)

(* by the way, I wonder if the “ultimate machete” order way to watch the main saga could be the following:
1 - 4 - 5 - 2 - 3 - 6)

(but still the best way to watch the 6 movies is: 4 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 - and a digest of 6).