MalàStrana

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writting in your mother tongue…

John Doom said:

Well, had LF wanted to have that kind of “OT Han” I described, they would’ve just written the scene differently

It seems that a few here think the movie is to be seen as some form of historical reality, as if there were no screenwriters who have made very questionable choices. “Han could not do it, he was surrounded on both sides”… gosh, this is huge… the more some people are trying to defend the worst parts of this movie, the dumber it goes…

joefavs said:

The number VII is still nowhere to be seen. Very curious. Do they know there have been 6 movies prior to this one at Disney ?

TV’s Frink said:

“Han Solo is so ruined by TFA, thank god he was put out of his misery.”

I assume.

This was to happen one day or another: TV’s Fink is right, he did understand something I wrote.

As for the “establishing that Han is unreliable blablabla” it is the worst excuse I have ever read to defend this terrible scene. Establishing a character that has been around an entire trilogy before that to show him doing exactly the same shit (75 yo smuggler, stealling from martial artist asian space cowboy bebop dudes), which does not add anything to the story (ok he’s “unreliable”, so… ?)… with crappy cgi monsters… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY protogonist than the legendary Han Solo… “back to square one, old dude”. This movie is so dumb… its dumbness never stops ! They should never have brought back the old cast, completely new and unrelated characters was the thing to do… “you should not have come back, Han !”, “if you kill me, Ren, I’ll… well, I’ll just die because I know nothing of the Force so… hum… why am I doing here again ?”

Dek Rollins said:

Haha! You mean that silly CG crap that hurt my eyes for three minutes and added nothing to any sense of peril?

I thought I was watching GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY the whole sequence, and from me it’s no compliment (at least for the arena scene of EpII now I think “ok, it’s going John Carter, not good and fake looking but I get it”). Han Solo is so dumb in this entire scene… the character was already badly damaged in RETURN OF THE JEDI, this scene was the final blow at his dignity (and his interactions with a CGI Princess Leia was even worse. Kylo kills him with mercy I believe “father, what have you become ?”).

SpilkaBilka said:

But I don’t really see much in the rest of the movie to support the idea that he feels he doesn’t belong in the war

He’s running away the entire movie.

Han is only using that as an excuse because he feels he doesn’t belong in this war. This is his way out of the Rebellion that allows him to keep honor. The Rebel officer is just being comprehensive with him. This is a dialogue where what is actually said is not relevant*, only what is unsaid has a meaning, and the 3 characters (Han, Leia, Rebel officer) all understand that. So there is nothing wrong in this dialogue.

• not relevant for the scene itself (Jabba and stuff), but within the movie it is later used to stage the third act as well as the events of the following movie, because Kasdan et al. were fucking brillant (I still don’t get how he’s failed so much the script for Ep VII. This really is a mistery to me).

DuracellEnergizer said:

The one and only beef I have with TESB is the ambiguity pertaining to how much time Luke spends training with Yoda on Dagobah/Han, Leia, Chewie, and Threepio spends travelling from Hoth to Bespin without a hyperdrive.

Personally, I just run with the idea that several months to a year passes between the Battle of Hoth and the duel on Cloud City, with relativistic time dilation keeping the crew of the Falcon from starving/getting too rank while in-transit to Hoth, but that could have been made clearer in the actual film.

That’s true. I tend to think the Falcon road trip does take a week or two, and Luke’s training lasts several months to a year, because Dagobah is a place so strong with the Force that time doesn’t flow as it does outside. If your familiar with "Dragon Ball Z "it’s like the hyperbolic time chamber. Where I don’t agree with you is the fact the movie doesn’t explain that: I believe this is the inner magic of this movie not to explain something you won’t even spot the first dozens (hundreds ?) of time you watch it. Dagobah is a place out of time, out of space, this is where the saga turns to be so powerful in its mythology. Damn, this movie…

The only way I believe it can work would be to slightly delay the invasion:

• Jedi arrival, they look at the window, small talk, etc.
• TC14 reports the ambassadors are Jedi
• communication from the planet
• the viceroy decides to invade the planet and he orders at the same time to kill the jedi
• “captain look out”, dioxis scene, etc.

That way you have the invasion and the assassination attempt happening at the very same time. You’ll still have an opening faster than the original tha way, without the sitting and drinking tea being an issue.

edit: as a matter of fact, you just need to remove the “it’s an invasion army” cut scene to fix the main issues of your montage.

[liamnotneeson said:]

1. Different Opening: (skip to about 1:50 for the good stuff)
   No, not a different opening crawl- my goal is to fix the movie, not rename it. When I say different opening, I mean the start of the movie. In this edit, the inside of the TF battleship is color-corrected to look like the OT, similar to Aalenfae. On top of that, after the Jedi arrive, the Viceroys (who have been re-dubbed and subbed) talk to Queen Amidala, and then invade the planet as the Jedi watch from the window. The droids then storm the room and the Jedi escape, as the army is already invading the planey. I was inspired by TFA to do it this way, and the pacing is much better.

I know a fanedit is first to please the one who has made it, so here is only my opinion: it doesn’t work. I’m not mentioning the jarring sound montage here and there than you can fix in subsequent versions, I really mean the scene ordering you’ve chosen, as well as how you’ve redubbed (and subtitled) the vilains.

1. the Neimoidians are cowards, and they look that way. They don’t have Neimoidians guards until EpIII - who don’t fight anyone anyway - and the viceroy is never seen grabbing a gun or doing something badass. Hence their new lines don’t fit with the way they look and behave;

2. the Jedi reaction to the invasion is weird: they don’t seem to give a shit about it, like “oh, look there: an invasion army. Gosh !” “let’s sit and have a drink, we’ll discuss that later with the viceroy”. By doing this, Qui-Gon looks like an idiot, and at least in the original version he’s a strong character. You show him weak and dumb in your opening, so I don’t think it works at all;

3. then the viceroy decides to kill the Jedi after starting the invasion: why ? Lucas is a terrible screenwriter but he once was a great editor, and the opening of EpI, in its original version, is well ordered (it’s really only after the landing that his script becomes shitty);

4. finally, the assassination attempt has failed, the Jedi escape, and they want to warn the Naboo… of an invasion that’s has been occuring for an hour or so and for which they didn’t react when they witnessed it (they sit and drank tea).

I don’t want to be a complete dick who over critizises, but the way you’ve reordered the scene is in fact way worse that the theatrical version.

What I don’t like about this movie ? Hum… that its sequel is RETURN OF THE JEDI, and a few technical glitches that could have been easily corrected in 1997-2004-2011. Oh yeah, I’m also not a huge fan of the score we hear when Luke confronts himself on Dagobah.

DominicCobb said:

The reason why L8’s structure works better than Hal’s is mostly because of flow. Hal’s structure is formless. I like what he was trying to do with downplaying Padme, but that element is the one thing that drives Anakin throughout the story and progresses the story logically from scene to scene. I too wish his fall had more to do with disagreeing with the Jedi order, but there’s just not enough to work with to make that happen believably. With L8’s there’s actually a building tension that makes Anakin’s eventual turn more natural.

In Hal’s the saving Padmé plot is used as the final blow to his fall to the dark side. Besides the original scene order does not involve Padmé that much (3 scenes, 4 if you include the Opera which stays in every edit). I think the perfect edit (to my taste) is somewhere in the between. I would keep a trimmed version of the balcony scene, and a trimmed version of the appartement scene (“i’m not the jedi i should be, i want more”, “i have found a way to save you”, etc.) without the night scene (I believe Anakin shouldn’t clearly say to Padmé he has premonitions of her death). The Sigmund Yoda scene should be completely removed, because I don’t buy that Yoda would leave Anakin in such a state and never help him. Both cuts are very good anyway. I think Hal’s v4 is the best, but L8’s v2 could be as good with a slightly different point of view (that being said, the Yoda vs Sidious scene should really be removed: even trimmed the scene is way too funny to fit in a tragic movie).

What about Snoke being a failed Palpatine clone in his attempts to determine the secret of eternal life ? If he had been created the same year Syfo Dias ordered a clone army, he would be 65 yo in EpVII. Would be funny (would also be a bit dull).

(was just joking…)

It’s cool, but I don’t really think it could really fit in a movie, at least in its current state (still does look too digital). Maybe with some “grain treatment” it could be used in a fan edit of ANH to show the surface before it gets wiped out.

ZkinandBonez said:
A lot if fans really do seem to forget that these are movies, and not real historical events.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ?!?

I’ve been living in a lie my whole life 😦

ZkinandBonez said:
Do people honestly think that Rian Johnson is going to use an EU character as a plot point in the new main trilogy movies?

Well, as I said I don’t think he will, and I don’t think it would even be necessary if Rey was blood-related to Kenobi to show this in the movie (it would be explained in a comic book), I was just trying to use the official canon to see if this idea could find some kind of an explaination somewhere. To my view, Rey is not a Kenobi, and I hope she’s not a Skywalker either (even if she’s probably going to be related to Luke or Leia… or Snoke ?).

In “Clone Wars”, Satine and Obi-Wan had something very close to a love interest (we understand that there was something between the two of them a few years prior to the Clone Wars, when Ben was a young adult I believe). Besides Satine had a far younger redheaded sister. Could she be that very child hidden from Ben as a pretended sister ? But I agree it wouldn’t be very convaincing she had a child without Ben knowing it, and that Rey is Ben’s grand-daugther. But if someone wants to elaborate over Rey being a Kenobi this is the only thing I can think of right now.

SilverWook said:

Star Wars did not win best picture, nor was Lucas nominated as best director. There are exceptions, but the academy tends to go for the prestige pictures, (which usually aren’t competing with a sf or fantasy film in the technical awards) over what is popular. E.T. lost out to Gandhi, but which film is better remembered today?

I totally agree, was just saying that popular movies still win some awards from time to time (Star Wars in 1978 and Fury Road in 2016 have both won the same oscars, technical ok). If you want an oscar for best picture, do a biopic, or a true story.

Mad Max Fury Road ?
Return of the King ?
The Matrix ?
Titanic ?
Star Wars ?
Ben-Hur ?

I’ll wait for the bluray release to be sure about that :

http://i.stack.imgur.com/lJE7Q.png

But if you’re positive about it, ok I believe you. That’s weird in fact, in term of continuity, making a character being changed off screen. So that way 2 different action figures can be sold ?

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:
I figured that matte appearance was due to Daniels’ new costume and was perhaps supposed to show off age or refinishing, etc., but then I saw this clip of him at the Oscars just now, and he’s as shiny as ever.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/28/11131240/star-wars-bb-8-academy-awards-2016

… and no red arm ! So the movie version for EpVII might be different after all (doesn’t excuse the fake looking though).

“Fury Road” is by far the best 2015 movie. It should have won Best picture and Best director as well. 6 oscars out of 10 is still good, the movie has cost so much (and didn’t bring enough money at the box office) that Warner Bros had high expectations about academy awards winning. Not sure if it’s enough to save Miller’s skin though (we won’t be seing another Mad Max soon i’m afraid, at least not a Mad Max directed by Miller). The guy is a genius but his last 2 films have not been the financial successes they deserved to be.

If you say so…

Lord Haseo said:
It doesn’t even stick to TFA in the way some people on the internet would have you believe.

You know, there is no “anti-EpVII church” kind of thing plotting against Disney and spreading the word on the evil internet that EpVII is a rehash of the OT… Believe it or not, but I was disappointed by this rehash without even knowing that other people thought the same way. Yeah, curious isn’t it ? At least two different people in different places of different age having the same idea, even people around me who don’t go read stuff and watch videos on the evil internet. Crazy… but true. So it’s time to get beyond that: some people think EpVII is totally new (which does not mean they think it’s good), and they have the right to think so; other people (around me it’s 100%) think it feels déjà vu and it does rely too much on the OT (which does not mean they think it’s a bad movie), and they have the equal right to think so. You don’t agree, you believe we’ve all been body snatched by an evil youtube user, ok, now just get over it.