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I still don’t get this thread. What exactly are you doing to do with, for instance, Episode I ? You started this thread 11 months ago: what movie edit have you finished so far ?
Don’t remember if it was really ruined in TCW: Yoda just happened to meet a fake Darth Bane ghost.
When Lord Haseo says “ruined,” he means “differed from the Darth Bane novels.”
Ok… well, I don’t really care about SW novels, my only interest for the saga is the movies and tv series. That being said, SW is now Disney, and Pixar belongs to Disney, so an animated adaptation by Pixar of the “Shadows of the Empire” material (novel, video game, soundtrack) is something I would want to see, with Brad Bird involved, and Genndy Tartakovsky as well. The only spin off movie I would be interested to see. Young Han Solo ? Don’t care. Boba Fett adventures ? Sounds boring. Obi-Wan trilogy ? I don’t see the point. How the rebel alliance stole the death star plans ? Filler material, can be fun but I’m pretty sure it will be a pointless movie. To explore the old republic era and the legendary Sith/Jedi schism ? Ok, here you’ve got my attention (Peter Jackson could do something about that, without goofy stuff that have ruined parts of his Tolkien adaptations. Guillermo del Toro would also be the man).
Darth Bane stuff ? I’m on !
Ditto. Just wish they didn’t ruin him in TCW.
Also I don’t know if you’re joking or not.
Why would I be joking about it ? There is a great film to be made about that, maybe a tv series. Don’t remember if it was really ruined in TCW: Yoda just happened to meet a fake Darth Bane ghost.
Darth Bane stuff ? I’m on !
For the record, I never meant to suggest that most people like the prequels.
Anyway, it is true and Disney is never going to make them non-canon. So a PT reboot is wishful thinking. People who don’t like the PT should get over it, it’s been 11 years now since the last one.
TV’s Frink said:
There’s no need to normalize anything, they’re already on a scale of 100. People prefer the OT (with TFA on par with ROTJ) and are meh at best on the PT. Scores in the 60’s are not good.The normalization is used to compare results within a same batch, as a whole “SW perception”. Does not change too much thing anyway.
Most people don’t care for the prequels. Deal with it. How relevant is comparing them to the original trilogy when we’re discussing rebooting the prequels? Not relevant at all.
Besides making TESB 100 is innacurate as there will always be some (very few) that would not give it 10/10 and instead 9/10.
Most people don’t care ? That’s hardly the issue dude. PT is canon, deal with it yourself.
edit: thread title is “WHAT OTHER SPINOFFS SHOULD DISNEY MAKE?”
How relevant is discussing about rebooting the PT ? Not relevant at all.
TV’s Frink said:
There’s no need to normalize anything, they’re already on a scale of 100. People prefer the OT (with TFA on par with ROTJ) and are meh at best on the PT. Scores in the 60’s are not good.
The normalization is used to compare results within a same batch, as a whole “SW perception”. Does not change too much thing anyway.
Well, it’s a little bit over average, isn’t it ? What are the figures for IV-V-VI ? (in order to normalize the results, we will consider V to be 100%).
edit:
Rotten tomatoes:
IV: 94/96
V: 94/97
VI: 80/94
IMDB:
IV: 87
V: 88
VI: 84
VII: 84
So, if you normalize if V taken as 100%:
I : 74
II : 76
III: 86
IV : 99
V : 100
VI : 95
VII: 95
So, yeah: people do prefer the OT (and OT related, i.e. Ep VII), but they also like the PT.
They can’t fixate about that anyway, because of the inconsistency between III and VI (“Leia didn’t get the question that’s all, no way she can remember our mother !”).
Seems that you’re right: it’s not 99%, but more something like 91% (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trilogy-Episodes-I-III-Blu-ray/dp/B00E9PMML2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1457807369&sr=8-7)
ZkinandBonez said:
There’s also been rumours about Mark Hamill being in Dubrovnik
If Dubrovnik happens to be a Naboo city, and if Rey is related to Luke, would be quite cool to see them in front of Padmé’s grave (with a light-saber mark on it, something Vader would have done passing by between III and IV).
I don’t see why films about the Sith Empire or the Mandolorian Wars would need to take the place of the PT though.
I agree. Besides you are also right about the PT perception: people who don’t share their views on forums/threads (99% of a movie audience) do like the PT. I wouldn’t want a PT reboot, there are 3 canon movies, like them or not, but it’s time to go on.
I think the actors of the PT were great. Except Sam L. Jackson who doesn’t fit (if Lucas wanted a black actor for this part, I would have loved Denzel Washington to play it, “Jedi Master on Fire” style). Even Hayden is good. But, let’s be fair, it’s hard to be always be good with these lines to play with… As for Ian, it’s strange: he’s very at ease as Palpatine, but when he turns out to be Sidious his performance is… hum… kinda… funny I guess ? His fight with Yoda does sum up the situation: impressive narrative value (Master of Light v Master of Darkness, throwing senate chairs at each other, and there are beautiful shots - due to Spielberg ?) but the fight itself is funny/goofy, with Ian’s performance terrible as hell, and stupid dialogues (“my little green friend”, seriously ?), and it ends with a horrible “Yoda McClane” shot (“into exile, I must go” is the cherry on top that Lucas didn’t give a shit about this whole Yoda v Sidious idea). All key scenes suck, but everything in between actually quite work well.
Oh, I didn’t know you were almost finished. I’ll be happy to check your v1 edit.
towne32 said:
@MalàStrana
And yes, if you’ve seen the blu-ray you’ll notice that it seems to go out of focus for a long stretch of the movie as they approach Endor, and then the early scenes on the surface. It’s totally unacceptable for a professional mastering. It’s not just a few shots, those are Harmy’s examples, it’s a few whole scenes.
I’ve checked the scenes on the blu ray, Schorman’s HDTV, and on Harmy’s. I concur Harmy’s 2.5 has better colors, but I fail to see the out of focus issue. Harmy’s seems more clear with better looking stars, and the Vader bridge scene is more detailed (less dark), but for the close ups I really don’t see the issue of the blu ray (just the fact it’s a little bit too dark).
To add more to my case: I really like the SE Sarlacc and Banthas 😃 But Jedi Rockz still sucks (too long, too cartoon oriented, too stupid; the song is not that bad though). If I had the tool and skill I would try to trimm it and reuse the CGI elements instead of the static puppets of the theatrical version.
@ Darthrush
Sounds great, the best compromise and, more important, what YOU want to see (it’s your work after all !). I would nevertheless advise you to use the CGI Jabba’s barge, which is clearly an improvement over the original version. If you want feedback on some ideas, don’t forget to post them as movie clips here.
edit: don’t forget to use the 2011 version that corrects the weird “Emperor’s slug” effect.
If I may: I don’t think this shot would work in the movie, because the character is a complete nobody at this point, and his mysterious presence distracts the audience from the elements involved in the narrative so far (it’s like the Boba Fett cameo in EpIV, when we didn’t know the character would be known sooner in the saga). Would work better as a flash back during EpII, when the Count questions Obi-Wan and reminds him that Qui-Gon was once his apprentice.
That being said, I like the idea of Dooku appearing in the whole prelogy. I’m simply trying to judge it as someone who would know anything of the saga and who discovers EpI the way you intend it to be.
@MalàStrana I thought he meant “stands out” as in looks out of place.
Ok, I thought it meant something else as a matter of fact.
darthrush said:
The speeder bike arrival stands out, as does the boba fett escape (fantastic fan trailer though).
You really think so ? I don’t see the point in showing Luke sooner on a speeder bike. There is nothing wrong with Luke’s first apparition in the theatrical cut (it’s among the best shots of the movie). The Boba fett escape is quite cool, but it clearly does not belong in this movie, because he’s nowhere to be seen in the rest of the movie. I wouldn’t advise you to add these two scenes in your cut.
About the SE material, towne32 is right: every single special effect shot has been enhanced in 1997-2004-2011, especially the ships and the Death Star, you should consider to use them (well, not the 2004 light-sabers, which are lame). The picture quality (not saying the colors) is very good on the blu ray edition. I might be the only one to think so 😃
@ towne32
Yeah the 1997/2004/2011 Sarlacc does not look as good as it should (still hoping for a 4k upgrade, next year maybe), but the 1983 version is really lame. The SE adds a little tension and it fuels even better the swashbuckling dimension of this very long Jabba opening. All this opening has very low narrative value (Han is saved, there is a little tension about Luke being dressed as a Sith Lord: that all), so the main point of this mess is swashbuckling fun, “Jedi of the Caribbean: Jabba’s Wall Trophy”. So yeah, I like the Sarlacc/octopus thing. I understand why the majority hates it, though.
edit: hum… I still haven’t watched Harmy’s 2.5, but when I see this (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM9HqKhDhHT1O6CDfGmH44R1AduXqfpFjOqiMHVX3OnWusb-fZ_RoPKjAcO8Jcgsg/photo/AF1QipMlrcSX_6-1d515dEzv8r-yk_jJP05dbmDwenkv?key=blBhRV9DNmsxaVlMdUpFYjYxN3FISk5Ma2xfQ293) or this (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM9HqKhDhHT1O6CDfGmH44R1AduXqfpFjOqiMHVX3OnWusb-fZ_RoPKjAcO8Jcgsg/photo/AF1QipMg8_-82h5Y56avPh2KZI9nL2kp70hlRNZNHByQ?key=blBhRV9DNmsxaVlMdUpFYjYxN3FISk5Ma2xfQ293) or this (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM9HqKhDhHT1O6CDfGmH44R1AduXqfpFjOqiMHVX3OnWusb-fZ_RoPKjAcO8Jcgsg/photo/AF1QipNUYOcL3sJZYfRRbTTL4hnBNmxQKHIpJz1C_COT?key=blBhRV9DNmsxaVlMdUpFYjYxN3FISk5Ma2xfQ293) I think his version is better that the blu ray for (at least) a few shots (what happened to the stars on the other releases ?).
towne32 said:
Fair enough. Though I think the door is really bad. Very unnatural digital zoom that’s not consistent with the trilogy, and the door isn’t consistent with later shots (especially from inside). But I think the 2004 door is sufficient for a semi-specialized, rather than using Harmy’s 1983 door.Other than that, the Bantha herd is the only really objectionable part for me.
Well, you’re right on the quality of these effets. Wouldn’t mind if Disney was to upgrade them for the 4K release.
I don’t really mind the SE material, I even think the opening to be more enjoyable that way, so I hope you’ll keep much of it, Sarlacc included.
What points do you have in mind of the intro aside from the Sarlacc?
I would say everything (the added shots of the barge going to the pit, the new door, the enhanced effets here and there, etc.), minus Jedi Rockz. For this scene both versions suck IMO, the theatrical is at least less time consuming. There might be a way to use the SE material into the original version but really I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.
As for the rest of the movies, I don’t like at all Vader’s “Nooooooooooooooo”, and I’m more puzzled about his Force Ghost. When you watch I-VI, I get it with Hayden. If you do it IV-VI, Shaw needs to be there. But the only things I really hate are the way too long ewok sequences (I always press the “next chapter” button when comes the awful tribe scene, with 3PO levitating and so on) and the curious ending with them dancing. I don’t really want to remove them entirely, but trimming the worse parts would be great. With Han’s silliness removed as well, Ep VI could be almost a very good movie, not just a “fine but partially missed” conclusion.
Two suggestions:
- You should find a way to cut Leia remembering her mother Padmé, who died in childbirth.
Wait to see Hal’s or Q2’s edits of Ep III, you might change your mind about it…
edit: I like most of the ideas for a recut of Ep VI. I like this Episode, it’s very entertaining and fun, with some great sequences, but it can be improved to a higher level with much of its silliness cut down. Han Solo is pretty damaged in the theatrical cut (Ford’s performance is awful), the cutlist seems to do it right. I’ll definitely watch your v1 when available.
I don’t really mind the SE material, I even think the opening to be more enjoyable that way, so I hope you’ll keep much of it, Sarlacc included.
In fact there is an edit version very close to scott109 taste, which can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Phantom-Menace-Blu-ray/dp/B013JAFTS0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1457370800&sr=8-3&keywords=the+phantom+menace
Bad joke put aside, I can agree on the Gungan City trip because it is naratively needed and it does add a few more minutes to the movie (but I like the very fast paced opening: not too fast, just fast enough). Your other suggestions change the nature of the improved characterization Hal has tried to achieve. Anakin is less dumb in this edit, and so are all the other characters. Restoring bad dialogues could slow the pace down a little bit as well as ruining what the faneditor is trying to do.
… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…
Prota…gahnist?
Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writing in your mother tongue…
I was joking and sort of referencing Plinkett, and I didn’t really think about the mistake at all, so no harm meant. writting lol 😉
Writ…ting?
Busted again 😦
There is also a well known torrent site, which name is based on a Matthew Vaughn comic book movie released in 2010, where you can find them.
I believe the most recent repackaging of the 2011 blu-rays did away with the episode numbers on the packaging/disc labels as well.
Yeah you’re right, the numbers have been erased on all episodes (but they still appear on the opening crawl). Strange move… but I can understand why: it will make the marketing campaign for the spin off movies a lot more easier.