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MalàStrana

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#921623
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

Dek Rollins said:

darthrush said:

I think ROTS (especially fan edited) is easily on par or better than ROTJ or even TFA in some aspects.

ROTJ beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited). ROTJ fan-edited definitely beats ROTS (plain or fan-edited).

What ROTJ fan edit ? Real question: I’m very fond of ROTJ but I’m interested by an edit that could correct minor silliness. Even if to my view ROTS (as a fan edit) is a good and enjoyable movie, ROTJ will always rank higher (the fun Jabba overture, the moving Luke-Vader-Palpatine confrontation, some parts of the Endor subplot, and the action packed space battle: very good stuff).

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#921366
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

It’s so hard to say: ANH is funnier, ESB is deeper, both are epic. 10/10 for each. I tend to rank ESB higher than ANH but I think they in fact share the same gold medal.

edit:

So, I would change my list (may still change since I’m running a marathon while waiting TFA to be officially released on blu ray):

  1. ESB & ANH
  2. ROTJ
  3. Clone Wars, Volume 1&2 (Tartakovsky)
  4. ROTS (Hal9000’s)
  5. TFA
  6. TPM (Hal9000’s)
  7. AOTC (Hal9000’s)
  8. ROTS (theatrical)
  9. The Clone Wars (my own best of 35 episodes, ending with the final 4-part Ahsoka-centric arc)
  10. Rebels (my own best of, working progress since the series still airing)
  11. TPM (theatrical)
  12. AOTC (theatrical)
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#921129
Topic
The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
Time

That_OT_Ruler said:
With that said, it’s my edit, and I’m happy with the changes I’m making.

I hope you are.

I would like to thank you for reading, and I can’t wait to share what I’m going to put together.

“Share but not discuss” would be more accurate.

Anyway, good luck, I’m not sure it’s possible to remove an entire soundtrack without creating jarring sound effets.

If I may, I also disagree with the following:

  • Color correction (Yellow finalized tint)
    [the movie looks good]

  • Removal of Poe’s other stupid line, “You need a pilot?”
    [this line is in fact quite funny and is the beginning of a friendship]

  • Cut down Rey’s fight in marketplace
    [you need to see her in danger and able to fight back, otherwise the saber duel she wins at the end would seem very unlikely]

  • Removal of entire Rathtar squid scene. It just cuts from Han talking to Lord Snoke
    [I don’t like the scene but if you remove it there is going to be a continuity issue I reckon]

  • Remove the reactions of the people watching the planets getting blown up (So unrealistic)
    [I don’t get this one]

  • Remove Maz’s awful line, “A good question, for another time.” (Basically, the writers acknowledging they wrote a shitty script)
    [I agree but the question needs to be asked]

  • Trim down and cut out shots and parts of the raid on Maz’s castle
    [the theatrical version is already too short]

  • Re-insert X-Wings hovering over water shot from the trailer
    [Are you sure it’s not in the final cut ?]

  • Cut down Kylo chasing Rey in the forest and put in music from EA’s Battlefront
    [don’t like Daisy’s performance but the scene is already short, and Kylo Ren looks great in it]

  • Cut out the interrogation sequence between Rey and Kylo (There’s no point to it)
    [it’s only the most important scene of the movie regarding Rey’s character]

  • Finn’s fight with Kylo is much shorter, and downright pathetic. Finn lasts less than 40 seconds
    [Isn’t it already quite short ?]

The rest of your ideas seem cool, but if you remove one very important narrative scene you edit is gonna fall apart.

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#921108
Topic
The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
Time

That_OT_Ruler said:
—Soundtrack is completely removed and replaced with music from the previous films

Sorry to ask but: why ? TFA is not the best SW score (I would rank them 5-4-3-1-6/7-2), but it’s nevertheless a terrific score, which fits perfectly the movie it is supposed to serve. Besides, Williams is going to extend and mix his new themes with those he will compose for VIII and IX, so if you do remove his VII score, you will totally lose his thematic work and ruin the emotionnal aspect of the ST, as well as removing the “sound” identity of the ST. I won’t say the Han Solo death scene is perfect, but the music is.

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#920799
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

“Jedi steps and finale” track

Official album: 8’52’’ (“finale” part is 6’40’’)
FYC album (more info here: http://www.jwfan.com/?p=8489): 9’58’’ (“finale” part is 7’47’’)
End credits (leaked file, still needs to be confirmed as official): 10’58’’ (“finale” part only)

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#920794
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

…the sfx are far superior, the aesthetic is quite impressive…

TPM beats it in these respects.

TPM has shooting on location (forest, italian city, north african desert) that are more pleasant to the eyes than cgi scenery. Both are good looking anyway in my opinion. As for the sfx Jar Jar and Watto are still very well done, but on the other hand Grievous is as good. The rest is according to each one’s taste.

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#920731
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

joefavs said:

MalàStrana said:

. . . less ridiculous scenes . . .

Well that’s a relief. For a while I was worried that Obi-Wan Kenobi riding an annoying squawking lizard, Ian McDiarmid’s swordsmanship, everything out of Yoda’s mouth, Padmé dying of a broken heart, every single scene with Grievous, mentioning that Qui-Gon is a Force ghost rather than omitting that information or showing him as a Force ghost, “UNLIMITED POWAH!”, and Chewbacca’s friendship with Yoda might be ridiculous.

Well, I wrote “less” for a reason 😄 We don’t get Jar Jar awkwardly starting the Clone Wars or Anakin destroying his saber on every action sequence, that’s an improvement.

Qui-Gon’s absent ghost (does he succeed to be one anyway ?) or Sidious fighting are no issues to me (only the close-ups on Ian are). Even the lizard thing is only a residual issue.

Also, I listened to the score again and I still don’t get what the big deal is. It’s all bombast for the sake of bombast.

I’m a huge Basil Poledouris fan, and this score is like “Space Conan” to me. I love bombastic scores. However it’s not only bombast (“battle of the heroes” being the climax; the martial “Force theme” and “General Grievous theme” also are impressive), half the score is also very eery and beautiful (“anakin’s betrayal”, “Padmé’s ruminations”). Listen to AOTC and ROTS in a row, the difference is noticeable (I like AOTC score, it’s the weakest of the saga but it’s still good Williams stuff).

edit:
@ Haseo

Let it go dude, let it go.

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#920723
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

Lord Haseo said:

You’re acting like I started blurting obscenities at you when I just merely disagreed. Can you relax buddy?

Every time someone writes something about TFA that’s not to your taste, you suddendly appear. You’ve put some kind of “alert” on this forum I guess. I didn’t know that “Dude, we know you’re a big TFA fan. Some people aren’t. Get over it” could be taken as an outburst, that’s new. But we can talk about being relax, I just don’t think you’ve got any lessons to provide in that matter.

edit: the dictionary I use: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/fr/dictionnaire/anglais/terrible

“of ​low ​quality”. My thoughts exactly about Daisy Ridley performance.

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#920703
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

I cannot say. I just listen to the music, I never read the credits. So I assume that a bunch of people have been forgotten in the theatrical version AND the scrawl speed has been slightly slowed down (by 10-15% or so, something you wouldn’t spot).

Anyway, does not change anything. The real trick is that the deleted scenes will only be 5 or 6 minutes (far from the expected 20-25 minutes) and there is no hint a teaser/trailer of ROGUE ONE is gonna be an easter egg.

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#920698
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t understand why anyone would like ROTS but not like the other two prequels. It’s just more of the same, with some OT stuff at the end.

I don’t agree: it’s the same stuff, ok, but it works better. There are less ridiculous scenes, the sfx are far superior, the aesthetic is quite impressive, Coruscant for once looks like a torn city, the score is a masterpiece, action scenes are well done, the actors are good (really, except the Darth Sidious part which is lame). Only the key scenes are problematic (even a failed scene such as Yoda v Sidious contains great shots and ideas), everything else is actually quite good. Not OT quality, of course, but close enough. I still would rank TFA higher than ROTS, but not by a very long shot (because Daisy Ridley is such a terrible actress - I’m not talking about the character, but the performance is by far the weakest thing of the movie. Not her entire fault though, JJ Abrams was supposed to direct her on the set and apparently he did not try to challenge her).

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#920695
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

It’s not a ROGUE ONE trailer or something like that, I checked (if it had been, you would already know). The credits last 11’. On album, the music for the end credits is around 7’40’’. So there is indeed 3’ of added material, at least music material :

Album track Medley:

  • Rey’s theme
  • First Order/Kylo Ren theme
  • Poe & Finn escape
  • March of the Resistance
  • Force awakening theme (Jedi steps)

Bluray end credits Medley:

  • Rey’s theme
  • Scherzo for X-Wings
  • First Order/Kylo Ren theme
  • Poe & Finn escape
  • March of the Resistance
  • Force awakening theme (Jedi steps)

So the credits have been extended, or, as I assume, just been slowed down (I remember in theater it was a little bit hard to follow the scrawl, which was passing too fast, so I guess it has been corrected) with a new track inserted into the medley. Not a big deal.

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#920489
Topic
The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
Time

ray_afraid said:

The thing is, if it was done right, you could still have Anikin fall and Vader appear in the PT without ruining ESB’s reveal. And if you were watching the films for the first time, ESB’s reveal would make you realize what really happened in the PT, making both moments even stronger.
The PT should seem to line up with what Ben tells Luke in Star Wars. That Vader murdered Anikin.

Ok, but since Vader is Anakin there is no way to tell this story without showing that. You could have Anakin falling in a lava pitt, and then suddendly appears a dude called Vader in a suit, who is supposed to have been Ben’s pupil and the murderer of Anakin. The all idea is dumb (Q2 tried it in his fanedits, it does not work), you can’t “do it right”. No one in the world with a fonctionning brain wouldn’t immediately think “hey, that guy Ben is talking about, it’s Anakin! Why is the screenwriter trying to make a secret of something so obvious ?” and ruin ESB reveal with an entire movie ahead anyway. And that’s the all point of the PT. At least, one among others. Now (I-VI order), the real reveal is: how is Luke going to learn the truth ?
The only thing that could have been kept secret, is Leia being Luke’s sister (Q2 tried it in his fanedits, it kinda works).

edit: nevertheless, GL could have kept the “suited” Vader final look a reveal for the overture of ANH. Anakin could have been last seen is ROTS in some kind of proto suit, an unfinished armor, or just his body lying on the medical center table being fixed (no black cape, no mask).