MalàStrana

So your personal canon just happens to be the official one.

towne32 said:

You’re doing it again. Aren’t you?

Just try to ignore the guy. If people around were not that easily provoked (and not provokative themselves sometimes…), you wouldn’t have to deal with so many blatant trolls.

By the way Harmy et al., I’m looking forward to seeing your new “blu team joint-venture” project.

Still -177 days before TFA !

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Please try this order:

1. Despecialized Original Trilogy
2. For newcomers or veterans who haven’t watched the prequels in a while, something that shows why the prequels suck
3. The Force Awakens
4. Star Wars Rebels
5. The to-be-released Star Wars movies when they are released

blablabla

Aren’t you off topic ? There are many other threads to whine about the PT and how they are the worst thing that happened to humanity since Hitler, and this is not the point of this thread (and I’m still stying to figure out what’s worse: seing a “little boy” Vader in TPM or the main protagonists of the OT looking like old hobos in TFA…). Anyway, let’s stay focused on topic.

@ CourtlyHades296
So: I’ve watched the complete GCI series a few month ago. I wasn’t very convinced by the show, which is way too long, hence a selection of what to watch and in what order can be quite useful indeed. I’ve selected 35 episodes based on their quality and material that feed Anakin’s turn and that bridge the PT to the OT (Chewie’s very good cameo, Tarkin’s episodes, Anakin is a cunning warrior and a good friend, etc.) and to “Rebels” (the best of Ahsoka, the best of Maul). I have also kept a few comic episodes with 3PO and R2, none with Jar Jar, and I’ve “deleted” almost everything involving pointless developpements (Mandalore, Maul and Mandalore, Count Dooku and Grievous fooling around, etc.). Here is my best of list, that ends with the 4-part Ahsoka-centric (the best way to finish the show) :

01 (2.16) - Cat and Mouse
02 (1.16) - The Hidden Enemy
03 (1.02) - Rising Malevolence
04 (1.03) - Shadow of Malevolence
05 (1.04) - Destroy Malevolence
06 (1.05) - Rookies
07 (1.06) - Downfall of a Droid
08 (1.07) - Duel of the Droids
09 (1.09) - Cloak of Darkness
10 (1.19) - Storm Over Ryloth
11 (1.20) - Innocents of Ryloth
12 (2.17) - Bounty Hunters
13 (2.05) - Landing at Point Rain
14 (2.06) - Weapons Factory
15 (2.09) - Grievous Intrigue
16 (3.02) - Arc Troopers
17 (3.10) - Heroes on Both Sides
18 (3.12) - Nightsisters
19 (3.13) - Monster
20 (3.14) - Witches of the Mist
21 (3.18) - The Citadel
22 (3.19) - Counter Attack
23 (3.20) - Citadel Rescue
24 (3.21) - Padawan Lost
25 (3.22) - Wookie Hunt
26 (4.06) - Nomad Droids
27 (4.19) - Massacre
28 (4.20) - Bounty
29 (4.21) - Brothers
30 (4.22) - Revenge
31 (5.01) - Revival
32 (5.17) - Sabotage
33 (5.18) - The Jedi Who Knew Too Much
34 (5.19) - To Catch a Jedi
35 (5.20) - The Wrong Jedi

As an “Episode 0” I would add Tartatovsky’s “Clone Wars” (everything from the start to Anakin being knighted) and as “Episode 36” the rest (Anakin and Ben going on a mission that happens to be Anakin’s last trial while Grievous conducts the attack on Coruscant), so all the Ahsoka rise and fall story arc would happpen between these two main events.

By the way I wouldn’t watch it within some kind of weird Machete Order. And if you hate TPM so much don’t bother to even only watch the threesome saber fight, without the context of why these characters fight I don’t really see the point of watching it.

Harmy said:

MalàStrana, I’m curious, it would seem you are French, so why is your user name a Czech name of one of Prague’s districts?

'Cause I’ve been in a training period in Praha a few years ago and I loved this district.

edit: but I used a different accent on the “a”, otherwise it would be quite difficult to enter my username with an azerty keyboard 😃

Thanks for the reply. So I’ll just wait for the other one to finish his re-translation; I have recently synchronized french subtitles with Q2’s “Return of the Jedi”, wouldn’t be too much work to re-sync them back with the GOUT audio, but for EpVI there are not really bad translations (ANH really is the one which requires a deeper re-translation work), just things to be improved here and there, more to my taste (such as using the proper names, “Darth Vader” and not “Dark Vador”, etc.). I’ll let you know by PM if I find enough time to finish that.

Thanks. I’m also pretty sure there is a sound “click” in the first half of the french track but I forgot to write the timing down so I’ll come back when I’ve checked this issue further. It might be a native issue of the original track used (1993 LD or 2006 DVD ?).

Anyway, thanks for this hard work Harmy.

Hello CatBus, it seems there are a few issues with the french subtitles. I’m a little bit busy right now but if you’re interested I could provide you a corrected srt file in a week or so, which would be more accurate to the original version (the current french srt are, I believe, based on the dubbing. They are fine but they often lack the original meaning). Let me know.

@Harmy

There are a few issues with the french srt file, regarding the translation. I believe they are partially based on the original dubbing which was quite flawded. Here is an example:

293
00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:42,555
– Je l’ai si peu connu…

Well, as far as I remember Luke has never known his father, so the proper translation of “I wish I knew him…” is “J’aurais aimé le connaître…”.

By the way Hal, if you happen to be in the mood for sharing a 1080p version of your ANH custom edition, I would be highly interested 😄

(…)

I like the ones who have created this site.
I like Harmy for his hard work preserving the OT.
I like those who contribute in preserving all SW versions (threepio project, etc.).
I like Adywan for his passion, even if I don’t really concur with everything he’s trying to change/fix about the OT (but the EpVI Emperor in EpV is awesome).
I like all fan editors and PT preservators (Schorman, Hal, L8, Q2, Phantom, Kerr, The Cutter, etc.) who have been able to partially save the PT (which are bad films, but daring, independant and experimental bad films - so very interesting movies to hate with delight 😄 -, hence something unique in a more and more consensual and self centered nostalgia film industry).
I like Dek for his myspleen invitation.
I like the milicia for reminding me that manhunts, dick behavior, pure aggressivity and weak jokes are still pretty common on the internet, especially in a forum that seems very nice on the outside.

Anyway, it’s been fun hanging around for awhile. So long and thanks for the fish !

"There is nothing new under the sun. Creativity anyone ?"

Answers:

• why not ?
• you want a SW movie without Spaceships?
• and… I don’t even know how to call Durathing answer.

Very interesting forum indeed…

The A-Wings coming back in VIII ? Whoa ! Here is Ep VIII logo:

I’ve just watched your cuts. Here is my feedback:

Replaced opening Logos and Fox Fanfare with “Force Awakens” style Lucasfilm Logo cold open.

I really miss Newman’s fanfare. Only true SW films have one 😄

New title crawl adapted from Hal9000’s to better define the political plot.

I don’t quite see the difference between yours and Hal’s, but it’s a very good crawl, clear and accurate.

Trimmed Obi-Wan’s forced laugh in the elevator, but kept the friendly exchange.

It works great. I don’t bother the laugh but your take on this one is seamless.

Further trimmed Obi-Wan telling Anakin that he needs to “learn his place”.

That’s a very good call. The scene can hardly be better with this last improvement I guess.

Anakin’s angsty conversation with JarJar is trimmed, and JarJar does not respond.

Ok, not your idea but I don’t think it works: each time JJ is about to say something there is an obvious cut. It’s funny though (like “no JJ, don’t talk!”).

Cut Anakin’s description of being around Padme as “intoxicating”.

Good idea to remove it (I don’t mind the line but it can be removed ‘cause it’s not a great line), however it’s not seamless. The audio cut is quite noticeable.

Cut line “It’s not me m’lady, I’m worried about you”. It sounded to me like Natalie Portman said “I’ll be fine” to begin with, making the response nonsensical.

Well done, seamless.

Anakin no longer says “You’re exactly the way I remember you in my dreams”.

Perfect. I don’t like this line either and no fan editer has done something convincing [IMO] about it (Hal and Q2 have cut the “in my dreams” part but it creates an audio issue).

Added further trims to this scene to remove “romance novel” dialogue but keep the character background information.

As a matter of fact I quite like the “Anakin trying to be a poet” part of the extended scene, as well as Lucas political ideas expressed through Padmé. But again it’s nicely done.

This transitions to the scene in the Throne Room with the new queen, which is significantly trimmed to remove awkward dialogue and all of Anakin and Padme’s antagonism.

Your take on this one is great. Now, is this scene necessary ? I’m not sure, because the political background feels here repetitive (we don’t learn anything new since the Senate scene is reinstalled at the beginning of the movie). On the other hand, it helps to finish the landing on Naboo sequence.

Trimmed this scene to remove some of the hokey dialogue.

I’m afraid it does not feel right: we can spot the father speaking without any word being said.

Removed Anakin’s attempt to woo Padme with fascism.

I understand why you removed it, but the transition does not work here.

Added a brand new “love montage” sequence that shows the two chatting over dinner without dialogue, and transitions into a moonlight kiss. This replaces the “cow-tick riding” scene

I’m puzzled about it: I love the idea of a montage, however I’m afraid there isn’t enough material to achieve it. You should probably consider adding a few shots to complete your idea (from the meadow pic nic and the fireplace scene).

Removed Jango’s mention of Tyrannus. I kept in the title at the end of the film but it seems like a weird thing for him to admit to Obi-Wan at this point.

Ok, it’s good.

Added a new Audio-only dream sequence featuring audio of Anakin’s mom screaming and Tusken sounds.

Very good, really. I just thing you should leave a little extra seconds after Jango’s “pack your thing” for a better transition.

When Anakin wakes up, Padme is lying in bed next to him.

This is a brilliant idea. Perfect.

Heavily cut down fight in the rain to a brief encounter.

Ok, just a few audio issues. I prefer the theatrical version of this fight, which is funnier.

Very subtly trimmed Anakin’s exchange with his dying mother.

I prefer the complete version of this very important scene.

Trimmed Padme’s incredulous reaction to R2

Nice. I don’t like her reaction here either. Seamless.

Trimmed Anakin’s whining about having to follow Mace Windu’s orders. Padme now cuts him off.

Perfect!

Slightly trimmed chat between Dooku and Obi-Wan, including Obi-Wan’s mention of Jango Fett. I don’t think Obi-Wan should want to reveal what he knows to someone he doesn’t trust.

It’s very good. This scene is weird, good call to shorten it.

Trimmed Anakin’s “I’ve learned to stop arguing with you” because it no longer really makes sense in the context of the film. Also cut down droids dialogue before exiting onto the surface of Geonosis.

Ok, well done. I would have personally left the extra 3PO dialogue.

Removed Jango’s weird cowboy pistol twirl thing.

It was fun though.

Further Trimmed the weird close-ups of Anakin and Dooku swinging around their sabers in the dark.

Hum… the close-ups never bothered me… Nevertheless, your cuts are seamless.

Final thoughts: very good edit, vast improvement over the theatrical version. Between the 4 fan edits I know of this movie (Q2, L8, Hal, yours) I would rank yours (more or less) first along with Hal’s. You take (almost) the best of other edits while adding a few very good original ideas of your own.

TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

Sheepish said:
Watching the PT, it is pretty clear from Episode I that Windu is the more aggressive member of the Jedi council.

When Anakin tells him he thinks Palpatine is a Sith Lord, he seems so happy to finally have the opportunity to kick Palpatine’s ass. The guy is walking to Palpatine’s office as if he was in Pulp fiction. Too bad Palpatine does not have a hamburger on his desk.

https://vimeo.com/119072936#at=14

I was more thinking about the religious speech, but it’s close.

Sheepish said:
Watching the PT, it is pretty clear from Episode I that Windu is the more aggressive member of the Jedi council.

When Anakin tells him he thinks Palpatine is a Sith Lord, he seems so happy to finally have the opportunity to kick Palpatine’s ass. The guy is walking to Palpatine’s office as if he was in Pulp fiction. Too bad Palpatine does not have a hamburger on his desk.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

“Ghostbuster II” was crap.

I’d say it was almost horrendous.

I get not liking it, but horrendous? Definitely not.

The french dubbed version happens to be funnier than the original version.

Yeah, such a terrible world we live in. I even know someone who does not care about Star Wars. But don’t be so frightened, you’ll be ok.

Ronster said:
It could be that this tube thing is some sort of Tech to do with the Super Laser on the Death Star and they only just cracked the formula to make it work.

Old Sith technology ? Malachor related ?

LuckyGungan2001 said:

MalàStrana said:

My all time favorites (more or less):

Conan The Destroyer
Superman IV The Quest for Peace
Batman & Robin
Blade Trinity
The Force Awakens
Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem
Battle Royale 2: Requiem
The Cat Returns
Live free or Die Hard
Eragon
Double Team
Piranha Part Two: The Spawning
Oliver & Company
Jurassic World
Terminator Genysis
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
Spectre / GoldenEye
Jaws 4
Tim Burton’s Alice in Wonderland
The last crusade / Kingdom of the crystal skulls
Godzilla vs Gigan
Redacted
Ghostbuster II
Men in Black II
…

I can’t tell if you’re joking, because you put some stinkers on there, but then you have TFA, GoldenEye, and The Last Crusade.

My all time favorites (at least some of them) are related to those terrible movies (ok, not all are that terrible); but, if I can understand some might like TFA and The last crusade, GoldenEye really (IMO, etc.) is the worst JB… with Spectre.

Otherwise, the corrected version is:

Conan The Barbarian (John Millius version, not the remake)
Superman The Movie
Batman Returns
Blade 2
Star Wars OT
Alien
Predator
Battle Royale
Most of Ghibli catalogue
Most of Pixar catalogue
All of Disney Golden Age and a few of Disney Renaissance Age
Die Hard / Last Action Hero / Die Hard With a Vengeance
The 13th Warrior
Time & Tide / Zu / The Blade / Seven swords…
The 'Burbs
Jurassic Park
Terminator 1 & 2
Mad Max 2 / Fury Road
Goldfinder / Thunderball / On your majesty’s secret service / The spy who loved me
Jaws
Ed Wood/ Beetlejuice
The temple of doom
Godzilla 1954 / Mothra vs Godzilla / vs Destoroyah / GMK…
Carrie (original)
Ghostbusters
Men in Black
Ghost in the shell 2 / Lamu beautiful dreamer / Patlabor 1 & 2
Speed racer
Evil dead & Spider-Man trilogies
La paura / L’aldila
Big trouble in little China / The thing / Escape from NY
The Blues Brothers
Happy Feet 1 & 2
Zatoichi saga (most of them)
Baby Cart [Lone wolf and cub]
Starship Troopers / RoboCop / Flesh & Blood / Black Book
…

IsanRido said:

MalàStrana said:

Godzilla vs Gigan

This one has no place in an ironic list of favorite movies. It’s such a funny and innocent film.

Ok. What about Godzi vs King Ghidorah Heisei era ?

moviefreakedmind said:

MalàStrana said:

doubleKO said:
GoldenEye

Best James Bond soundtrack ever.

(Love this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTFeynk02Qo)
(sadly it was rejected)

This is the first time I’ve heard a single good thing about the soundtrack for Goldeneye as a whole. Tina Turner’s song was good though.

Bono and The Edge wrote the song, Serra wrote the score. John Altman composed a replacement track for the St Petersburg chase (the one you can hear in the movie, very “barryesque” piece of music).

joefavs said:

No love for Thunderdome? Come on, you douchebags.

I like it. Just not as good as the other three. Miller wasn’t quite involved and the passing of Kennedy didn’t help at all.

adywan said:

The Prequels 😉

All too easy

SilverWook said:

Is there an non silly argument against palm trees existing in the Star Wars universe?

If it ends up being a very obvious hommage to Full Metal Jacket, it would be distracting so “yes” would be my answer. Otherwise: I don’t know.