MalàStrana

It depends: is R1 the prequel to ANH… or the sequel to ROTS ?

TV’s Frink said:

One thing I really liked about RO is that we finally got a Star Wars which is not about a Skywalker.

Might be what you wanted to say.

Vader is in it.

I wonder if Disney is planning a “PT special edition” one day. Could be a great opportunity to add a “better” Tarkin at the end of ROTS. This tech is fascinating (and at least R1 has respected the SW tradition to develop special effect tech to another level).

TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

mainstream customers, who happen to like ALL OF SW.

Haha, nope.

I know people - IRL - who like all (8) episodes. I’m not even making that up.

edit: but the way I wrote it might be interpretated as “every single mainstream customer” whereas I was more thinking “some customers”.

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Jake Lloyd as Baby Hitler

What.

Yep. Anakin Hitler.

Alderaan said:

In my conversations with the prequel fans over the years, and maybe people who just prefer to watch all of the films regardless of their quality, they seem much more interested in Anakin’s story, not Luke’s.

Really ? But it doesn’t mean it changes the OT, it just adds another layer where you “care” more about Vader as a continuing protagonist than as the main vilain (not even that “main” in ANH, where you have the time to get to know Luke and cie). Does it mean that for mainstream audiences Lucas has succeeded in developing characters people are interested in ? On the other hand, TFA huge commercial success is mostly based on the promise to see Luke again, am I right ?

Alderaan said:

It’s even worse because brainwashing people into watching 1-6 in order completely changes the story that the original trilogy was trying to tell.

I wouldn’t go as far as “completely changes”. The OT is still the story of Luke. And ROTJ has always been the story of Luke trying to save his father. The PT does not change that, it just ruins a few revelations but not their meaning.

For the “saga” I’m refering to the theatrical posters of TESB and ROTJ, but indeed for marketing and video releases it was “trilogy”. Don’t forget that “saga” goes beyond the movies, it embraces all medias (tvseries, books, video games) so I’m very fine with that and so should you. Don’t let your hate for the PT change historical facts (the theatrical posters and trailers of TESB and ROTJ are easy to find to prove my point). Had the PT been as good as the OT I bet you wouldn’t make this distinction.

Just to say that I wouldn’t mind a complete 1-6 set (with every cut for each film of course… why not with new cuts as well as long as they improve them) because it’s Lucas saga as he meant it to be (well, except all previous cuts to the 2011 bluray edition…); love it or hate it but he did that in total independence, and that’s scarce enough to not forget it.

Alderaan said:

completely verboten.

Jawohl, Herr Alderaan!

TESB tagline: "The Star Wars Saga continues"
ROTJ tagline: "The Saga continues"
TPM tagline: “Every Saga has a beginning”

I’m not sure about AOTC and ROTS taglines (“The key of the Saga” and “The conclusion of the Saga” ?).

Since SW is a saga I wonder what’s wrong using that term…

Alderaan said:

The “saga” thing was only so George could sell his **** prequel movies.

It’s called a saga since TESB…

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that PT would be a wise marketing move to package with the OT.

The Original Hexalogy ?
The Original George Lucas Saga ?

Could be wise. Remember that SW fans aren’t mainstream customers, who happen to like ALL OF SW.

I can live with that.

Hardcore Legend said:
I think the IV, V and VI are vastly superior to the PT, TFA and R1.

Fixed that for you.

TV’s Frink said:
I agree!

It had to happen one day. I’m shedding tears of joy right now.

Seriously though, you’re playing a game of semantics. Lucas tried to have Vader in the entire PT via Anakin…that was his whole reason for doing the PT. And Lucas fails miserably because Anakin/Vader fails miserably. The costume (and when he is or isn’t wearing it) is the least important part.

Even if I don’t hate the PT as you do I can’t really argue with that, but the fact remains that (imho) in R1 we still don’t see Vader… at the exception of the shot on the Star Destroyer deck when he arrives at the end (before the Jason Voorhees scene).

(another idea for you fanedit by the way: play this song for the corridor sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBqHjis_cM)

ray_afraid said:

MalàStrana said:

Ryan-SWI said:

RLM also glossed over most of TFA’s most controversial faults and ignored things they complained about endlessly in their Ep. I - III reviews, so I don’t really hold what they have to say in high regard.

Yep… but they are funny.

(and I love that now they don’t like the second Disney Wars - and are less and less praising TFA - almost everybody here goes “they can go to hell these RLM guys, they don’t know jack about SW” 😃)

I can only think of about 3 people here who now bash RLM because they don’t like the new Star Wars. That’s hardly everybody here.

Ok, I got a wrong impression !

edit: what does “TFN level” mean ?

DominicCobb said:

post-GL (and is obviously better)

That’s the reak trick: it’s not obviously better. It’s as bad as the PT… even worst. I don’t even believe anymore that Episode 8 could finally be a “good SW flick”. Disney will find a way to fail again… But Lucas didn’t completely fail one prequel, so there might be hope, who knows ?

Ryan-SWI said:

RLM also glossed over most of TFA’s most controversial faults and ignored things they complained about endlessly in their Ep. I - III reviews, so I don’t really hold what they have to say in high regard.

Yep… but they are funny.

(and I love that now they don’t like the second Disney Wars - and are less and less praising TFA - almost everybody here goes “they can go to hell these RLM guys, they don’t know jack about SW” 😃)

The vast majority thought AOTC was great back in 2002, so you know…

And I haven’t read reviews of R1 prior to thinking that about this “Vader” scene, but I guess you’re missing the point here. I’ve already explained why this scene is terrible, even HulkFilmCritic wrote a nice paper about it.

TV’s Frink said:

But the guy in the prequels is Vader? Lol.

No: he’s Anakin Skywalker. He only becomes Vader after the “Nooooo” (so Vader appears only in two shots, at the very end).

ForceGhostRecon said:
(including Vader in his prime)

I have to insist, but the weird guy killing random rebels with a red lightsaber at the end is not Vader: it’s Jason Voorhees wearing a Vader halloween costume (Rogue One is the best Friday the 13th since Jason X !). So yep, you can end up with something far superior by removing the shitty parts: that’s the spirit of fanediting. If you love the film as it is, don’t change it. The slim thing is not even that terrible compared to the lack of good characters…

I didn’t like the movie mostly because the rebel characters are totally inexistent and underdeveloped (and the alliance representation is lame as ever – rebels who don’t want to rebel because the Empire is too powerful… seriously…) and there is no pacing at all (I’ve never been so bored in front of a SW flick…), but the Empire is not that “damaged” (well, Krennic is too weak for someone called « director » but this is something that can be changed thanks to fanediting), so, instead of a complete reworking of the movie I would suggest to only keep (minus some modifications) the Empire material. No rebels, no Yavin IV, no Erso, nothing, except at the very end when they attack (so no “rebellion are built on hope” bullshit). Just Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, father Erso. Some kind of an one hour prologue to ANH. A few other things could be changed to reference the clone wars when the prologue starts (in an opening crawl, adding that the intro sequence is set a few years after the end of the clone wars and the foundation of the first galactic empire), and it should work. Obviously Tarkin will still be cartoonish and Vader will still be Jason Voorhees (unless the ending sequence is also removed entirely), but I believe it can save a few scenes.

Other idea: why not adding this to the end of a heavily fanedited ROTS version? Or with ROTS material used as flashbacks ?

Ryan-SWI said:

Honestly the TFA soundtrack has maybe two memorable tracks and the rest are just “homages” to earlier iconic tracks or instantly forgettable.

Williams got old and he’s less interested in bombastic approach. But on the other hand, a cue such as “jedi steps” is so moving I could almost cry listening to it. Action cues are still better than anything you can hear in modern cinema… with the exception of Giacchino at his prime (John Carter, Jupiter Ascending, Tomorrowland… I would add his marvelous Medal of Honor soundtracks but it’s not cinema).

I forgot The Clone Wars movie soundtrack which is terrible, but the series anthology has great cues. Rebels is weaker (too many tracks are blatant rip-off of James Horner work) but there is enough good material to make a great selection out of it.

It was terrible and obvious in Furious 7…

There is an edit idea I find terrible. I tell it. Sadly when a few pages earlier I made real suggestions there was no reply 😦

You want more suggestions ? Move the fashback to the beginning of the movie, when Jynn is in the bunker. It should bear more sense to what the audience has just witnessed (Krennic/Erso relationship).