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It won’t get much higher now. It’s a very good BO score, but there is a trend that each second installment of each SW trilogy makes quite less than the first one.
I showed my nephew the Boba Fett short story and he liked it a lot (well, he’s 5 and his favorite SW is the one where we can see the most troopers as possible… so it’s AotC 😦 )
(if I’m not mistaken, TSWHS is non canon but the Boba Fett animated short was on the bluray set and then is canon ?)
The OOT you mean ?
Ronster said:
It would probably rest on John Knowle somewhat… But he is busy with all the new films no doubt.
He just was credited for an idea he pitched to Lucas during AotC production and which eventually got adapted by Disney. The guy is not a screenwriter. Not sure he’s involved with the new movies (according to his wiki page, not the best source I know).
Well… Normally whenever a restoration is done a director is consulted.
Yeah: THE director, i.e. Lucas. Case dismissed.
I guess Lucas was checking off boxes back in the 80’s too?
Ahah, touché 😉
(you could easily do the same with the PT I guess, especially AotC, but most aren’t “talking” characters, just extras)
(and might be better not to mention the shots of TPM where Mace Windu is played by a guy who’s obviously not Sam L. Jackson 😄)
liamnotneeson said:
Star Wars has always been about the diverse rebels versus the white male bad guysHum… have you seen ANH recently 😃 ?
Haha, yes! The fact that there was a white guy in a literal black suit totally proves my point wrong
I would even say that, technically, the only black dude in ANH works for the Empire… (a clue: 5 years later he played almost the exact same role - less the suit - in almost the exact same movie - but set during the Hyperborean era)
and the only other black dude in TESB happens to betray our heroes…
And who does attack the poor Chancellor Palpatine in his office in ROTS ? A black jedi dude ! Can you believe that ?!?
I also have proof - pictures - that a black dude is, at some point in TFA, chasing poor Rey in a desert. Pictures don’t lie !
Joke aside I just can’t stand the “Lucas was kinda racist” speech. The guy was making the movie of a lifetime, do you think he cared about diversity (besides do you think that 70’s UK were as diverse at that time as they are today ?) ? He also wanted Toshiro Mifune to play Obi-Wan, because he was an awesome actor, not because it would give ANH its “asian” diversity (and even without any asian guy in ANH, in Japan the movie was a triumph). I also happen to enjoy many asian movies where THERE ARE NO WHITE MEN AT ALL (was Kurosawa racist when he made 7 samurai ? HE MUST STAND TRIAL !)
I tend to think that Disney is in fact the real racist by making sure that all races have a part in every single SW movie: I guess there is a guy in every Disney meeting checking boxes: “ok,so black dude: checked! asian girl: checked! white girl: checkek! ginger guy: checked! indian girl in both sides: double checked! old white european actor… old mexican actor…etc.”
And yeah at one point Luke was a girl… but in the finished film he’s a “he”, not a “she”, and if you switch that the movie is no longer the same.
liamnotneeson said:
Star Wars has always been about the diverse rebels versus the white male bad guys
Hum… have you seen ANH recently 😃 ?
Collipso said:
out of 100 characters in the OT literally 3 are women. I don’t think that’s something defendable.
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I don’t get it. “not defendable”… are you… talking about some kind of… positive discrimination ? Can’t agree with that. If there aren’t more women in the OT, it’s just because more were not needed (when you see Phasma in the ST, she could be a man it wouldn’t make any difference). If Luke, Han or Lando had been women, you just don’t get the same movies at all. All characters are perfect the way they are in the OT, gender included. And before you start going on the “it’s because men made these movies”, remember who had a strong influence over Lucas when he was making ANH (I give you a clue: his wife) and who wrote the first drafts of TESB (i.e. one of the best western screenwriters… movies with very few women by the way !).
(and I would also add that there aren’t that many characters in the OT…)
(by the way I meant Satine, not Sabine…)
(you know… Obi’s former girlfriend who happens to rule over Mandalore… interesting character)
I’ve checked a few scenes and it seems very cool ! Just wish the video was less compressed. I really like the little incursion of an Anakin voice over during his first meeting with Palpy, taken from the complete deleted scene. I might steal this idea from you at some point 😃
I mostly agree, but I don’t think anyone here was defending misogyny, on this very forum (and I don’t think that actual mysogynists would care about SW anyway: until the Disney movies, there weren’t that much women in SW movies-series but they always were strong characters : Leia, Mothma, Padmé, Ahsoka, ShaaK Ti, Sabine… and now Rey, Jyn, Rose, Holdo and, my favorite from the Disney Era, Hera Syndulla). Some old SW fans might not be happy with the way the new movies are made, but it was expected from a studio that delivered Frozen, Hannah Montana and so on over the last decade… Disney is girly-oriented, so are the new SW movies… just deal with it (I personally just wish that they wouldn’t forget to make good characters, male or female… General Hux, seriously, I still can’t believe this guy… not even mentioning Phasma, such a waste of a very competent actress).
The First Order is a (lame) parody of fascism. The Empire was modeled about both nazi and communist dictatorships. OT (and even the PT) had a subtitly which is nowhere to be found in the silly ST (Rebels included) when it comes to politics.
Ronster said:
The next part that had me thinking was C3-P0 waving to the Sandcrawler… Actually it is a black triangle with a flashing light. But what got me thinking was perhaps merging the original theatrical Sandcrawler model shot into this scene where he sees it then a smaller version roto-scoped in when he waves his arms and you can see the horizon… This way the Theatrical version is re-purposed in a honorable way and is not lost. But given how far away the Sandcrawler is in the original version it would not surprise me if it was actually intended to go in this scene.
Already done I think.
LivJackell said:
They aren’t mixed so much as we start with one and end with the other.
That I totally agree with you. A few things aren’t consistent (Shaak Ti very young in CW and a General in TCW; Grievous badas in CW and more-ROTS oriented in TCW) but indeed it works. Visually I just think it might be hard to mix visually different series in one movie, but… if you think it can work go for it 😃
LivJackell said:
I’ve got a few different SW edits in the works currently so finishing someone else’s work isn’t really my idea of time well spent.
And for now we don’t know if he will eventually finish it. Not sure if he posted somewhere that he was done with fanediting (not here at least) or just taking a long break from it (his project was perhaps too super ambitious… 5 more tv-movies… huge amount of work !).
This is this exact thing that can be used now against anyone who wants to criticize TLJ and in particular how are handled feminine characters (but all characters as a matter of fact): “you mean people,you’re just like the First Order, bouh ouh ouh…”
So it’s a ridiculous statement. And a wrong statement.
GylesReynek said:
People that do stuff like make a de-feminized version of Star Wars are the exact type of people the Rebels are fighting against. This dude is Hux IRL.
Ridiculous statement.
Not sure about the fact you wish to mix both very different tv series. smudger9 somewhat did that on his (sadly unfinished) movie-series, but it only was dialogue excerpts, not footage. So… good luck !
For Episode III, Octoroxx extended edition is the best I know. Only finished deleted scenes are included. Easy to find on the spleen.
Is it technically well made ? (just curious to know if the guy actually went into the trouble of making a competent fanedit for trolling purpose)
I’ll wait for the de-feminized and de-Rened and de-Finned and de-Poed version.
(oh, I just need to listen to the soundtrack !)
It’s funny you don’t like that much TCW tv series and yet you give such a high rank to Rebels. Both tv series share more or less the same strength and the same weaknesses (except that TCW is better made than Rebels which looks kinda cheap).
(and I also get that by your book The Holiday Special is almost as good as the OT ?)
Yeah this is probably how Disney works… (there might just be a legal issue that prevents them to release it… and I’m not that sure that Disney is even interested in a high quality GOUT release… they still haven’t issued on bluray their entire catalogue 😦).
And it’s consistent with Obi-Wan’s opinion of Anakin/Vader at this point of the story: he thinks he’s more machine than man and then denies him his name by using just his Sith Lord title.
I would agree that the timing wasn’t great on AotC, with a tied schedule and the best CGI artists leaving ILM (and had the movie been postponed of 1 year would have been better at every level). But most of the CGI issues with AotC/RotS are found in many movies of the same period. Blade II and Spider-Man (two of my favorite movies) have both bad CGI models. That’s why I stress the fact CGI Yoda still looks fine today, especially compared to CGI Blade and CGI Spider-Man !