MalàStrana

Frank your Majesty said:
Are we now excusing any poor decison of Lucas as being brave or innovative?

MalàStrana said:
Like I already said: we can be mad at Lucas for the SE, for the PT, for not letting us get high quality GOUT, for being a very lazy producer (most of what he produced is very bad… 2 Indiana Jones movies included), for destroying the careers of talented people (Marcia Lucas, Gary Kurtz…), etc. But we can’t argue the guy is one of the most important filmmakers of the past decades, like James Cameron, Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, David Fincher, Steven Spielberg.

Who’s talking about excusing anything ?

You know, I like RotS and the look of RotS, but I don’t like many narrative decisions about it as well as many artistic decisions (like using only the head of Temuera Morrison placed on CGI clone troopers bodies: I don’t think it was a good decision at all ! I wish he had filmed practical troopers, at least for the close ups, but he didn’t. And I believe he took the less confortable decision when he did that !).

it was too early… seriously, stop it Frank, you tend to be quite ridiculous when you don’t accept you’re wrong.

The Lumière brothers were too early: the first movie in history doesn’t look good by today’s standards !
Méliès was too early: it’s not even 24 fps !
etc.

=> innovation is never too early. I’m shocked to read such conservativ (reactionary) comments on a SW forum, really…

Lucas used a tech that was “more confortable” for him ? Yeah : Lucas is a control freak. All his life he wanted total control over his creation. He accepted a lower salary on the first SW in order to get more control over the final cut. He made of Episode V-VI-I-II-III the most successful INDEPENDANT movies ever ! Yeah: INDEPENDANT (he financed most of the beloved TESB himself !). He missed the point on several occasions, though (the PT has many continuity issues here and there), but it can’t be denied the guy had the same philosophy during his entire career (the failure of the PT has nothing to do with that: TPM is what SW77 could have been without the hard work he put in it and the people to give him advice on many things).

(and by the way, the prequels look good. I’ve rewatched a few AotC scenes on my 55 inch screen - not even the bluray but the kk650 regraded and quite compressed HDTV version - and it looks very good. Even CGI Yoda still looks very impressive for a 16 years old model - and I don’t think people are really able to see any difference between 2K and 4K anyway…).

Like I already said: we can be mad at Lucas for the SE, for the PT, for not letting us get high quality GOUT, for being a very lazy producer (most of what he produced is very bad… 2 Indiana Jones movies included), for destroying the careers of talented people (Marcia Lucas, Gary Kurtz…), etc. But we can’t argue the guy is one of the most important filmmakers of the past decades, like James Cameron, Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, David Fincher, Steven Spielberg.

Shin Godzilla [Blu-ray UK edition]
The return of Godzilla [Blu-ray US edition]
Attakus “Carbonite Han Solo”

Shin Godzilla

Anno is da man.

10/10

God wouldn’t care, but what would Jesus say about that ?

Let the one among you who does not possess any PT or SE official home video release be the first to cast a stone.

Hum… I may be wrong about that. I remember I read a long time ago that Spielberg used an experimental digital camera to shoot the beginning of Private Ryan, but I cannot find sources about that.

Handman said:

I don’t see what’s so revolutionary about using the same cameras from the 8 o’clock news to shoot your movie.

Yeah the same Spielberg used on Private Ryan… (8 o’clock news… anyway…)

Lucas wasn’t just using them, he helped the technology to develop (à la James Cameron). You can hate the guy of the SE and the PT, but you should keep in mind the guy was a genius about camera, editing and innovation.

Wouldn’t it require a very expansive library add-on ? Hum… I remember Newguy (who made the best regrade/semi-SE of ANH I know… EDIT: just saw on the spleen Nev technicolor version is available since this summer, need to catch this one !) finished his project with a DTS sound file, so I guess he might know how to handle that.

(he hasn’t showed up here in a long time though: http://originaltrilogy.com/user/newguy/id/16590)

I converted it as an aiff file with audacity (another lossless format like wav for PCM audio) and mkvtoolnix accepted it (it seems to work). I can share it but not until tomorrow ('cause via mega it’s going to take time to load it and it’s already getting late where I live).

For “tied” you’re right: in this context “together” is needed.

(is there a grammar thread ?)

TV’s Frink said:

If you’re going to nitpick grammar, you shouldn’t say “somehow tied.” I suspect you mean “somewhat tied.” And if we’re going to go that far it really should be “somewhat tied together.”

After checking, it seems that both can be used in this context, but thanks anyway: somewhat/somehow are often misused by non-native english speakers such as myself, I’ll be sure to avoid the mistake from now on!

ysamjo said:

Has anybody already attempted to do a movie out of Clone Wars (TV Series), Clone Wars (Movie) & Rebels (TV Series), centered around Ahsoka Tano?

One movie seems quite short: this story expands on 2 decades, and needs many support characters and development. It would require a minimum of 2 long movies I think. 3 should be enough.

Indeed, he put a “s” at the end of a verb conjugated in plural. Correct sentence is:

at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appear to be wonderfully tied

But I may agree more with the following one:

at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appear to be somehow tied

dahmage said:

The Irony. by posting this i am sure even more people will want invites.

This.

And in order to understand what’s going on here, may I ask for an invite ?

NeverarGreat said:

Interestingly, this makes TLJ much more of ESB in reverse, since the Resistance begins in deep space just as the Rebels ended in deep space.

When you think about that, the pattern of “mirror” episodes looking alike continues with the ST:
I-IV-VII
II-V-VIII

Only III-VI don’t really look alike… so is IX going to be quite different as well ? I certainly hope so.

Imhotep said:

One option with the balcony scene could be to fade to black for a few seconds and keep the soundtrack?

Yeah but this is not the issue mentioned by Hal : the video posted is a first draft to show the concept, the point of Hal is to show it doesn’t work narratively, not technically.

MalàStrana said:
I’m thinking about another spot to place the scene: between Anakin assignment and the plot to destroy the Jedi scene:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• night scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk 'cause they are happy right now (Anakin has now many things to be glad about: a beautiful wife, the coming birth of his child, he’s going to enter the Jedi Council with the blessing of his friend the Chancellor… and he’s got an awesome apartment downtown: the guy is happy to say the least) (it would even be better to make a twilight/night transition like the one seen in Episode I)
• dawn scene (plot to destroy the Jedi);
• the rest goes during day time of the same day (rebellion scene at noon; gunner scene/Anakin and Padmé political scene at twilight; Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera during the night).

This very slight restructure would also allow to take a breath during the chess game between Palpy and the Jedi Council which is (due to Lucas way of making this movie) sometimes too “operatic” and “functional” and which seems to go very fast within the very same day (that way it would seem it takes 2 days).

Well, thinking again about it and… I’m slightly wrong about that. Here is the best version I can think of:

Day One:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• twilight: Yoda, Obi and Mace: “plot to destroy the Jedi” deleted scene
• night: balcony scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk to be inserted here (they don’t talk about Anakin being appointed Palpy’s representative because it’s something Anakin keeps for himself like he does for other things - the slaughtering of the sand people, his nightmares about Padmé - in Hal’s PT).

Day Two:

• dawn: Anakin is apppointed to the Jedi council but he’s not a master yet
• later the same morning (around noon/afternoon): deleted scene with Padmé and cie
• noon/afternoon (or middle day, hard to say): Anakin and Obi talk about spying on Palpy
• afternoon: Gunner sequence scene (“I don’t trust him”)
• twilight: Anakin and Padmé political fight
• night: Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera

I think it would be perfect for the pacing and the clarity of the passing of time in EpIII to have the balcony scene between the “plot to destriy the Jedi” deleted scene and Anakin at the Jedi Council, otherwise in your edit it seems that all of that happens in one big day (there is the mention of “this morning” in the rebellion deleted scene though). You also get a little moment of nice and naive happy interaction between Anakin and Padmé before it begins to fall apart with the Jedi Council scene.

Your thoughts ?

Hal 9000 said:
Here’s the balcony scene to prove I’m not making things up:
https://vimeo.com/250727175
password: jump

I don’t think it looks odd or bad, and it also allows to show the passing of time during EpIII with several nighttime scenes. Personally I don’t really mind that we go from Anakin/Padmé to them again since the mood, location and timeframe are built logically (which makes sense since it’s how it’s cut in the theatrical version minus the Grievous scene). I understand the reasons you won’t use it but right now I just feel it could work and not be that jarring (less jarring at least than the fact we don’t really see the both of them happy otherwise). Tough choice…

I also agree that after Grievous talks with Sidious it would’nt be wise with the previous Anakin/Padmé scene.

I’m thinking about another spot to place the scene: between Anakin assignment and the plot to destroy the Jedi scene:

• morning scene: Obi-Wan informs Anakin he has a meeting with Palpy
• afternoon: meeting with Palpy: Anakin gets a new assignment
• night scene: Anakin and Padmé small talk 'cause they are happy right now (Anakin has now many things to be glad about: a beautiful wife, the coming birth of his child, he’s going to enter the Jedi Council with the blessing of his friend the Chancellor… and he’s got an awesome apartment downtown: the guy is happy to say the least) (it would even be better to make a twilight/night transition like the one seen in Episode I)
• dawn scene (plot to destroy the Jedi);
• the rest goes during day time of the same day (rebellion scene at noon; gunner scene/Anakin and Padmé political scene at twilight; Anakin has the nightmare and meets Palpy at the Opera during the night).

This very slight restructure would also allow to take a breath during the chess game between Palpy and the Jedi Council which is (due to Lucas way of making this movie) sometimes too “operatic” and “functional” and which seems to go very fast within the very same day (that way it would seem it takes 2 days).

Bad idea ? Very bad idea ? Terrible idea ?😃

I’m currently working on it. Here is a first draft (front channel only) replacing entirely Vader’s theme (but leaving untouched the Love theme).

Link: vimeo.com/250670199
Pass: CloneArmy

(I haven’t cut the scene enough, the audio change only begins around 0:45)

Joel McNeely’s Imperial City surprisingly fits both the editing and the mood of the scene. I still need to smoother a few things as well as the sound level itself but I’m truly surprised it kinda works ! I then need to change the other channels but once one is done it’s more easy. The only tricky thing is that I lose the sfx sounds, and I don’t know how to recreate them. But I don’t really mind that.

(I’m even more mad than ever that the Love theme actually doesn’t fit exactly the editing 😄)

Dom, since you aim at replacing the soundtrack on many scenes, are you going to try something with the AOTC ending in order to remove the Vader’s theme that’s quite out of place here ? I’m thinking about trying myself with Shadow of the Empire soundtrack. Don’t know if feasible though.

SilverWook said:

How many different ways can you have two spaceships chase each other?

Using the exact same cue and a character who emphasizes that (“they don’t like the Falcon”, LOLILOL moment…) don’t really help !

Oh that’s a very cool crawl ! Indeed the opening scene must be removed but since the movie uses flash-backs the opening scene can be restructured that way during the movie. Could be an interesting take on Jyn Erso character: we learn what happened to her mother later in the movie.

Octorox said:

This is probably not the right place for this comment, but one thing I’d love to see someone attempt in an edit of Attack of The Clones is cleaning up and reinserting this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX5Na9gcDz0. It’s SO rough though, I’m not sure even an effects whiz could do it convincingly.

There is a trend in the PT that deleted stuff is often better than the scenes kept in the final product… let’s hope at some point in a near future Disney releases all of that material in better shape !

That’s being said, I’ve been thinking about the most interesting scene in the movie - as part of the main narrative of the PT - which sets the first stone on Anakin’s path to the dark side: the sand people slaughtering sequence. It’s an important sequence which shouln’t have been cut like Lucas did with the Yoda scene “feeling” Anakin’s anger/distress. How the scene is handled in v4.2 is pretty much as good as it can be, but I’m wondering if it would be better to cut to a complete black screen for a few seconds before going back to Obi-Wan, in order to emphasize this momentum. It would also allow to keep more of the sound of the massacre (minus the weird “Anakin ! Nooooooooo”… maybe find a Qui-Gon Jinn voice over replacement from TCW/CW tvseries… I’ll check that) and, why not, the Darth Vader theme variation as heard during the - cut in this edit - confession to Padmé scene. Again, I believe the slow motion effect experimented on TFA:R might also help to smoother the transition shot from Anakin’s face to a complete black out screen.

What do you think of the idea ?

English I think.