MalàStrana

The PT didn’t have a master plan (that is even the main issue of the PT). The ST acts as if it had one, while having none, hence falling in the "many small issues that make quite a sum"side we were talking about a few messages ago.

So:

• PT: no master plan => should have had one !
• ST: no master plan => so why are you setting the movies as if there was one !

So Dom, things are exactly the opposite of what you describe.

Yeah but it doesn’t, because they didn’t know what they were going to tell in the next movie, whereas Disney had a “master plan” that only was a blank page, so they decided to make things difficult and quite hard to solve for the next guy making the sequel for some reasons. Kennedy has failed quite a lot. Same issue with R1 and its inconsistent ending occuring a few minutes prior to ANH. McCallum was a bad producer for SW, so is Kennedy… without the density…

Not really. TESB ends with a cliffhanger and ROTJ happens several months later. It’s just awkward screenwriting which is the real issue. Doesn’t mean the movie is bad (I like it quite a bit), but doesn’t make it as great as any OT entry (or even ROTS i may add…) IMO.
But let us focus on the main topic here: Hal’s edit of this movie with the same paradigm used for his PT edits 😉

Which still makes me wonder about the 2 years production delay between trilogy entries under the rule of Disney. But TLJ is full of this little issues with items and characters out of the blue: the dice no one has never mentionned before, jedi books no one has never needed before (and certainly not Luke during the OT), an admiral that was nowhere to be seen the day before and who’s taking over the ops, Maz whose castle was destroyed a few days ago who can still be called by 3D phone and who’s in a situation we don’t get, Ren who needed to complete his training but who’s not doing so during the movie, Phasma who was left for dead and who betrayed the first order is now back in business, red guards that don’t react until the body they were supposed to guard is in two pieces, knights of Ren that seem to be something important in TFA and that are still not invited to join the fight (Ren has only almost killed, no hurry guys), Finn who becomes in a few hours a Resistance hero eveybody knows about, etc.

(that’s why I still don’t see the differences between Lucas and Disney on that matter anyway)

Things happen between movies Adywan. Poe is right next to the girl who helped save his BB unit along with his new best pal Finn but he would wait until the ending of the next movie to say “oh, thanks by the way. Rey, right ?” Doesn’t make any sense. Not a huge continuity issue, but still it felt weird and forced at the end of TLJ.

Hal 9000 said:

Even if the fathier chase sequence is removed, I would still be in favor of keeping the slave kid epilogue so long as we get the brief introduction to them as Rose is lecturing Finn as he uses the binoculars.
Of course, if they are arrested immediately, that’d be gone.

You don’t need to change the ending (except for the rebellion ring maybe) even if you cut all the slave kid stuff during casino planet.

DominicCobb said:

DZ-330 said:

How does Poe know that Rey is on the Falcon???

What reason would he have to think she isn’t?

By the way, the “Poe meets Rey” scene at the end really needs to be removed, it’s very inconsistent with TFA ending and even is with LTJ.

Ocrop27 said:

A long time ago, in this thread, someone shared a image comparing some frames from TLJ with old samurai movies. Now i can’t find anywhere! Would be nice if someone could point me to that pic, the act of kindness would be appreciated.

Cheers!

You just need to check your previous messages to find it again 😉

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1150289

Wrong thread Anjohan: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VIII-The-Ridiculest-Jedi/id/58051/page/1

Let’s say option B is more TFA-oriented. If the goal is to change the jokes from TLJ-meta jokes to TFA-jokes, this is the best option. But it comes with the assumption thar TFA jokes are funny… and I know I’m alone on this one, but jokes such as “who talks first ?”, Finn not understanding Han’s signal to look at Rey behind him, or “I’m in charge Phasma”, etc., I don’t find them funny 😕

Wouldn’t a dialog overlay be more effective ? Poe punching the power while Hux is still not finished talking ?

Hal 9000 said:

I felt very put off by this opening “holding” gag, especially with a “your mother” joke tacked on. I can’t imagine an SNL parody of a similar situation going much further in that direction, ala ‘Undercover Boss: Starkiller base.’ It’s all the B-list actors involved in the scene, locking it into SNL territory for me.

Anyway, as the blood vessels in my brain throb and my body cries out for sleep, here’s the latest result in my attempt to thread the needle with this opening scene. I’ve inserted some very lightweight score as the music originally dropped away as Hux says, “…wipe your filth from the galaxy!” A separate tiny piece (unrelated to the music it fades into because that portion of the score is not found on the soundtrack) bridges this lightweight music into the more action-y music of the completed loading bar.

https://vimeo.com/263091382
password: fanedit

I still prefer the first attempt with nothing left from the prank call.

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

the tone of the film

A movie where Luke dies has the tone of a comedy ? Not sure about the “tone” angle here.

I mean, if you want to cut out all the humor throughout the movie and make it into a very dreary and heavy film, that’s one thing. But if you’re leaving in much of the humor throughout, then it’s important to establish upfront that, while these are very dramatic circumstances with some big powerful moments, this is still a fun Star Wars movie with moments of levity here and there. A film’s tone doesn’t have to be monotonous.

Oh but I agree about that, it’s just I don’t think you need humor in all places, especially this kind of SNL humor. But I’m totally in favor of keeping the “good” humor when in place. At the very beginning of the movie, during this sequence, I feel it’s off. Leia’s line (“I’m with the droid on this one”) is much more appropriate “Star Wars humor” than Hux being made fun of. And that’s all what is needed in this sequence.

DominicCobb said:

the tone of the film

A movie where Luke dies has the tone of a comedy ? Not sure about the “tone” angle here.

I think I like the previous version better. The new version retains too much of the “Hux being made fun of” joke. Both are still way better than the theatrical version, but the shortest version is my favorite.

With that said, I also agree that a wrong move on TLJ would be to remove all jokes. Some are needed (now, which ones are the good ones… to each his own ! 😃). But here, the opening sequence is dramatic, even a slight bit of joke is still too much IMHO.

Hal 9000 said:

Says a lot about the movie

Says a lot about the audience I would say 😉

Rebels’ Sidious is kinda weak and doesn’t work. Didn’t like the Ian episodes. He deserved a better last contribution to the Saga…

You can have one for each PT entry 😃

DominicCobb said:

Okay guys, wondering out loud here. How much do we care about a midichlorians reference? I’ve found a way to get rid of it in the Plagueis scene but I’m not sold, and I’m thinking, is it that bad that we hear someone mention midichlorians once? My thought process being, if it’s not explained what they are, it might actually add another mysterious wrinkle to the Force and Plagueis (plus they are technically canon). Does that line of thinking make sense? Or am I just being lazy?

I think you can leave it that way. The creating life bit is interesting as it can even imply that Palpy could be Anakin’s father.

Patience ? No patience, Master Hal9000. The last polishing has fallen. Begun, the download process has.

Is there a cut (fanedit maybe) of 2001 that uses Alex North rejected score ?

To summon him you can also say 5 times “Adywan” in front of a mirror.

Yeah we haven’t discussed the deleted scenes in a long time ! 😃

Cool. Cool cool cool.

Why not a pink planet ? With pink rivers.

LordZerome1080 said:

the CGI looked worse if its even possible.

I still don’t get this constant CGI-bashing. There is nothing wrong with 95% of EpIII CGI (the bad CGI being mostly the CGI stuntmen during saber fights, that last on screen only a few seconds), especially for a movie released in 2005. Anyway…

Dom, count me in when you release a v2.0 that fixes the small issues 😉