I still think TFA is the worst of the bunch. I won’t change my mind and certainly not for switching in its place ROTS 😃
Although… Star Wars has already introduced time travel as canon, AND used it as a way to bring dead characters back to life (Ahsoka).
Indeed: Rebels seasons 3 and 4 were so bad…
(and Palpatine was lame in season 4 ending)
(seasons 1 & 2 were quite good though)
- Replace Holdo with Admiral Ackbar in the hyperspace Kamikaze attack (borrowing shots from Ivan Ortega)
You… you can’t be serious man. Those shots look TERRIBLE.
Your cutlist is very close to Ivan’s edit btw, you should check it (it’s bad beyond belief but, hey, who am I to judge ?)
I won’t be of much help about this, since I don’t believe TLJ needs that many things to be removed. My only issues with the theatrical cut that can be fixed are essentially the “MCU stuff” (and not even all of it). That being said, about the V3 changes :
Remove the silly mugshot of Hux after commenting on Poe’s X-wing approaching
Remove Rey interpreting Chewbacca to Luke (He just responds with “The Falcon?”)
Seems like good ideas.
Remove Luke’s quip about Jakku being “pretty much nowhere”
Well I like this joke 😃
Remove Rose responding to Finn’s “MTFBWY” with “you too.”
Yeah, in favor of removing it. Finn has just been around for like 24 hours, I don’t get why he would be some kind of rock star.
Tighten up Finn and Rose’s reaction to Maz’s “Oh yes, he can” for better timing
Why not ?
Reinstate a trimmed version of the balcony scene overlooking kids and horses being beaten on Canto Bight
Yep, I agree without that the movie lacks depth.
Reinstate Rey asking Kylo Ren if he has a cowl to put on
Funny that we’ll never agree about that 😄 we have the same interpretation of the film, but we don’t interpret this sequence the same way.
V1 changes redacted in V2:
Hux being berated by Snoke
(the scene doesn’t work at all)
V1 or V2 changes for which I don’t agree with :
Trimmed Paige kicking the ladder slightly
Removed Rose repeating, “They can track us through lightspeed.“
Removed Luke’s line to R2, “Nothing can make me change my mind.”
Trimmed some of the comedy with BB8 being placed under a basket
Removed the detail from Kylo Ren that Rey’s parents are buried in the Jakku desert
Excellent news ! I’ll probably give your edit a try. Congrats on finishing it 😉
I must say I’m very glad with V6. I remember when I first saw Hal’s edit of EpII, my only issues where the weird “Kamino system” alien voice, the lack of the droid factory scene to address the continuity problem on Geonosis (and to put back some action at a necessary moment), and a few other stuff here and there (most of the little stuff had already been fixed with V5 compared to V4 which was the first version I saw).
I don’t mind Dax scene at all (especially here without the bad introduction), as I remember one of my first posts on this topic was probably about putting it back to address the “Kamino system” issue. As for the Jar Jar stuff, when Dom talked about his own edit he mentioned he would be putting this kind of stuff back, so rewatching those two short scenes I’m like “well, why cutting that in the first place anyway since there is nothing bad ?” (good idea to leave the senate emergency power scene as it was in v5 though). It’s also probably unconscious for most of us, with what we recently learned with Ahmed Best difficult time with the Jar Jar bashing.
Other little stuff put back are incidental so small that I’m fine with it (I haven’t got time to watch it entirely, just the main changes over V5, but given the changelist I’m sure it’s cool). It gives EpII back most of its original content without the very bad stuff, which is something I was looking for since I’m more and more tolerant with the PT and its defaults as time passes. V6 is a very conservative edit, removing the worst and keeping what’s necessary to not feel in front of a fanedit (yeah, Anakin’s creepy look is lame but the cut in V5 wasn’t that seamless). I also believe you’re the first faneditor to finally remove this awkward shot of Anakin watching his foot to reveal… Padmé lying in the sand ! Where is Marcia Lucas when we need her ! 😉
The only thing I would have put back is the title “Darth Tyranus” and maybe Octoroxx idea of reusing EpIII footage. Aside from that, I believe V6 is as close as possible to the perfect EpII cut according to my taste. I would however be interested to see a mock up of a trimmed confession scene, just to check if it could improved something.
As I am thinking about the alternate audio track I made for V5, I’ve just found the following that I could duplicate for V6 (most of my V5 changes are no longer relevant for V6):
Replace Padmé’s “Ani” with “Anakin” taken from the deleted scene (All channels)
Add eerie motif at Kamino from McNeely’s “Imperial City” (All channels)
Replace ending cue with McNeely’s “Imperial City” excerpt (All channels)
As soon as I find time, I’ll try to do it. It was so painful to make the alternate audio for the ending that I want to keep it V6 compliant 😄
edit: oh too bad we didn’t think of that sooner : adding the necklace Anakin gave to Padmé in EpI during the wedding in EpII. I don’t remember if we talked about that during V5.
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts and the challenges around Revisited 4K?
Guys… he’s already redoing ANH:R in HD (which means rebuilding everything he made for the SD version from scratch) while working on ROTJ:R. Let him live !
I’m glad you’ve used a higher bitrate video source for TESB: the quality is excellent. I haven’t checked the entire edit yet, but I like the colors (to be fair I don’t mind the bluray color timing except for the pink lightsaber, however it looks better with this grading). Thanks to anyone involved with it (I understand it’s a huge amount of work to get this result). I’m ok with what’s kept for the SE (many small things actually) and what’s being pushed away or “fixed” (Adywan’s Emperor and cloud city continuity issue, brillantly done - I just wish you had emulated his continuity fix for the reused shot of Piett at the end of the movie).
I’m surprised by the change from “the Jedi master” to “a Jedi master”, but it works well. I’m more surprised by the fact Lucas never thought about implementing it himself back in 2004/2011 !
Just to be sure about that: you have no intention of putting back some of the “queen meeting” sequence (without “angry Anakin” of course), right ? This scene provides more political exposition and continuity between Episode I and II regarding the Trade Federation and the Naboo official blindess towards the Republic.
(besides the scene is shot on actual set, it’s nice to get as much real locations as possible in this movie)
I’m just mentioning it now to be sure, since you wish v6 to be final.
Hal 9000 said:
[Place lines from Jamila scene about staying in the lake country to refugee transport scene]
OK, I didn’t remember the queen’s name 😄 nevermind my post then 😃
Marcia… Marcia formerly Lucas ? Seriously, one of the best editors of her time is going to attend the double feature ? That’s awesome. And in 70mm glory !
(yeah there also is R1 scheduled but even if I don’t like it, its cinematography is among the best of the Saga)
(and I love Giacchino’s score)
Have fun Lucky ones !
Is someone gonna try to add some food into the clones dishes ? I know they are “totally obedient”, but still, they need food !
Anyway, nice idea the steaming laser.
(and add a spy between Ren and Ackbar, so the later can say “there is a spy between us !”)
After over a years worth of work this is a very disappointing outcome from Ivan.
Good thing is that by following Ivan you’ve found this forum where you can find really well made TLJ edits. Given your post history, I know you did. Keep enjoying good edits then 😉
That’s all pretty much the impression I was getting from the earlier clips he posted.
It’s a lot worse than I thought it would be.
This is so surprising !
well : not !
Is it Williams idea though ? TLJ has many references to ROTS all along, I wonder if Johnson was specific about it when working with Williams.
I believe he technically broke any rules here with his only two posts. Even if one could assume that insulting the forum in a live youtube video could be seen as breaking a few ones…
Hal 9000 said:
Here’s the shot in context, if you’d like to take a look. We’re lucky to have Ridley around. 😃
This is excellent ! It perfectly does the trick. Nice job Sir Ridley 😉
but the worse scene for me in ANY Star Wars film HAS to be the balcony scene in ROTS.
Nah this scene is cute.
That way her and Anakin are captured separately.
It’s kinda what already happens in the theatricul cut.
Hal 9000 said:
There is a shot of Anakin in pain from lightning that should be moved away from right before Padmé in the sand to just before leaping to save Obi-Wan
Hell yeah! This montage error has always bugged me. I’m glad you’re considering to take care of it.
The changelist sounds very promising.
Just to keep track of the current v6 project vs v5:
- original changeling voice put back
- trimmed dinner scene added
- trimmed droid factory scene added with Sir “Wizard” Ridley sfx saber work
I’m 100% for keeping both the droid factory scene and the deleted scene. Trimmed, it becomes just a dumb action scene (although quite fun in spite of this overuse of CGI) that fixes a huge narrative issue, so it’s the best solution.
I’m in favor of keeping the deleted scene, in order to keep Padmé as a political figure. It’s also interesting to see the two faces of Dooku: the former Jedi (Obi-Wan scene) and the separatist leader (Padmé scene).
One of the reasons I haven’t showed anyone my AOTC edit is because I’m not done yet, which is almost entirely because I’m trying to rescore the droid factory scene to make it musically coherent. Needless to say, it’s a pain in the ass.
I’m hyped 😃
So you don’t think that Yoda’s theme in a scene where Anakin is slashing space bugs is coherent ? 😄
Hal 9000 said:
It looks like L8wrtr sequenced the droid factory scene about as well as one can, so my ‘pitch version’ will be pretty similar. Though, I hope I can get the music to feel smooth. Granted, the music is a hack job to begin with.
Would someone be able to do a little sfx work to show Anakin lightsaber blade retracting/deactivating (when he’s surrounded by droids and Jango) since you’re probably not going to keep the destruction of his saber ? I have no idea how hard it would be to do so. Just throwing idea 😄