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#1279463
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Here is a part of the interview with the Dark Empire author.

TOM: Our original proposal was to bring back Darth Vader’s costume and mask, with somebody else inside it. We felt the Empire would want to maintain the fearsome image of Vader and wouldn’t much care who was wearing the armor and breathing mask. George vetoed that idea (although he did allow us to have Vader appear in dreams and memories). He said, no, you can’t bring back the Vader costume…but if you can figure out how to bring back the Emperor, that’s o.k.

The obvious way to bring back the Emperor was with cloning, which George immediately approved.

Now, Zahn has said in an interview that bringing back the Emperor goes against the story of Return of the Jedi, where we see the Emperor destroyed by Darth Vader. But Zahn misses something essential about that scene: When the Emperor dares Luke to “strike me down”, he seems utterly indifferent to his own death! He feels that whatever the outcome of this confrontation with Luke, he, Palpatine, will conquer.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/08/interview-with-dark-empire-writer-tom.html?m=1

Yeah, a clone of a character isn’t the character itself. And it’s in a book (no longer canon). Not in a movie Lucas made.

Interesting to read that Lucas was against the idea of bringing a (lame) wanabe Vader’s figure. Something Kasdan and JJ eventually did (Kylo Ren, lame in TFA, way better in TLJ), which was a very bad idea Rian tried to fix (“remove this stupid mask”); but sadly JJ is directing again for the finale 😕

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#1279462
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

It seems like a very George idea. I’m still skeptical (at best) of it, but thinking on it there’s probably a way to do it that’d be really cool and actually benefit the thematic through line of the trilogy and saga as a whole. If he’s just the big bad reborn again, that’ll be silly. But if he’s more of a specter, if it’s more about the long shadow that he cast and maybe his spirit is playing some role to carry out his legacy, it’d make sense if that’s one of the final sort of challenges that these characters have to overcome.

Nothing in Lucas Star Wars Saga supports he would have resurrected a character that way. Maul wasn’t his idea. It’s a very JJ idea on the contrary (i.e. trying to look cool while making silly mmies such as TFA…).

Am I crazy? Wasn’t Maul entirely Lucas’s idea?

His resurection in TCW ? I thought it was Filoni’s idea. I may be wrong. But Lucas certainly not the one who made him appear in a subsequent movie (Kasdan and Howard did…).

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#1279457
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain

We just going to ignore this?

Oh yeah sorry, I wrote it in French: I meant to write “villain”, with two “l”. “Vilain” is the French spelling.

I think he meant how you referred to Grievous as a compelling villain!

I wrote “charismatic”, which he is (even if I tend to think more of Tartakovsky’s ultimate badass version than Lucas), not “compelling”.

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#1279456
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

It seems like a very George idea. I’m still skeptical (at best) of it, but thinking on it there’s probably a way to do it that’d be really cool and actually benefit the thematic through line of the trilogy and saga as a whole. If he’s just the big bad reborn again, that’ll be silly. But if he’s more of a specter, if it’s more about the long shadow that he cast and maybe his spirit is playing some role to carry out his legacy, it’d make sense if that’s one of the final sort of challenges that these characters have to overcome.

Nothing in Lucas Star Wars Saga supports he would have resurrected a character that way. Maul wasn’t his idea. It’s a very JJ idea on the contrary (i.e. trying to look cool while making silly movies such as TFA…).

It was however an idea during TESB post-production to make the Emperor the “last level” bad guy in Episode 9. By killing the character in ROTJ he changed his mind. JJ knows of it, maybe Kasdan reminded him of this abandoned idea. Since Kasdan is no longer the great screenwriter he used to be (see the terrible scripts he wrote recently: TFA, Solo), could be a possibility.

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#1279419
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Snoke was related to Palpy - as a puppet ? - since it would be the only way (given the return of Palpy as an entrance parameter, of course) to salvage how lame the threat in the ST was compared to the OT and the PT. So far, the ST is missing a true great vilain. Matt Smith could be a Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain of the last entry of the trilogy who acts like a diversion to the story as a whole.

Could be the last opportunity to hear for the first time Palpy first name on screen by the way.

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#1279279
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SilverWook said:

Quattro Bajeena said:

SilverWook said:

You’re on my radar with this anti-Rose stuff. Not a good place to be.

Do you keep track of people who dislike Jar Jar Binks too? Just curious.

Are you aware of how bad the Rose bashing online has become in the past 18 months?

Bashing the actress was wrong, we still can say Rose isn’t a good character.

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#1278269
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

The whole point of what’s being discussed it is “will it happen or not”, so this is not a different question. Dre is right: most fans (and don’t forget almost everybody is a SW fans, not only the dozens of people on this forum) don’t mind the SE.

For all we know, the “will please the fans” could even be one last Lucas iteration of each movie 😕 (he sold Lucasfilm but if he ever wanted to alter the movies eve more, I’m pretty sure Disney wouldn’t mind at all)

(as a matter of fact, I would love one last iteration… but a good one this time, à la Revisited)

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#1278264
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Revenge of the Sith: Rebalanced - <em>Version 1.4 Released! IFDB Approved!</em>
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I’ve watched some parts of v1.2. Some very good ideas (I like what you’ve done with Palpy vs Mace, keeping the weirdness of Palpy’s fighting style and the melting face scene without the ridiculous “he’s the traitor! No, it’s him!”). I just wish you had alter the ending more, especially Sidious vs Yoda where you’ve kept all of it (and the dialogues here are especially very very bad). Have you tried to remove the “she’s lost the will to live” ? I don’t have an issue with Padmé dying, but the medical reason behind it is very lame (I remember someone - Q2 ? - changed it to remove this line, keeping only “we are losing her”).

Many good stuff though. Great video quality. Great editing.

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#1277522
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Revenge of the Sith: Rebalanced - <em>Version 1.4 Released! IFDB Approved!</em>
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Sounds very interesting. I’ve sent you a PM (I’ll wait for v1.3).

I hope you’ll make a v1.4 to reimplement the seed of rebellion scenes. They indeed damage the pace a little bit but they give more deepth to the PT as a whole.

(and too bad you didn’t keep an edited version of the balcony scene, probably for the same reasons Hal didn’t kkeep it as well)

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#1277412
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Star Wars trilogy box sets coming next year?
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There is something you need to know: there is no conspirary to hide away the OOT. If the guy doesn’t mention the OOT, it’s just because it ain’t about the OOT. If one day they release them, it will be clear and crystal. The Star Wars canon for Ep I to VI are the cuts available since 2011.

I’m glad it seems they might have found a way to improve the video quality of even Ep II and III. The “will please fans” is probably all deleted scenes available in HD (like the ones showed last year with “this Sith Lord” being said during ANH officer meeting).

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#1277365
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Your thoughts on the Episode IX title - <strong>'The Rise Of Skywalker'</strong> - a NON-SPOILER thread
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T3: Rise of the machines was translated as Le soulèvement des machines, which was a good translation for this context. Dark Knight Rises was translated… Dark Knight Rises 😄

In this context Apogée is a good title. It seems it exists in english as well (Apogee… probably of french origin ?), would have been even nicer to use it for the original title : The Skywalker Apogee 😃

The Rise of… is too common for a Saga such as Star Wars.

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#1277337
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Your thoughts on the Episode IX title - <strong>'The Rise Of Skywalker'</strong> - a NON-SPOILER thread
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dahmage said:

“Skywalker” as non plural feels very palpatine. I hear his voice when I read the title.

He’ll have to wait on international translations to know if it’s singular or plural. That’s being said, I considerer they made a mistake with TLJ translated in plural in french, whereas Rian explained it was meant to be singular.

L’apogée de Skywalker

ou bien

L’apogée des Skywalker