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#108711
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108711/action/topic#108711
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Although there are 2 versions of Episode I and II, the second versions have yet to be released.
I really didn't want to end up making a dozen versions, revising every fifteen minutes like LFL does these days, so I had held off on releasing them. I'm really now trying to take the three edits of stand alone films and tightly weave them into a trilogy, and then take the six films and tightly weave them into one saga.
Rik and MBJ can vouch for the effectiveness of the end result, even when it comes to *gasp* make changes to the holy trilogy.
It is possible to make even them more powerful.
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#108813
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The Star Wars Saga DVD Box Set
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108813/action/topic#108813
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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
This is very disappointing news.

Looks like another cash-grab by Lucasfilm, instead of the Ultra-Completed Saga Edition we were all hoping for. It just doesn't make any sense that the movies are "the way he wants them now".


The man is known for careful wording. Note that the movies are the way he wants them "now"...
That doesn't mean that later he won't them another way, or that the dvds are necessarily the way he wants them now. He could have already had the stuff added to a print before he made that statement.
All he said is that for this moment, he is happy with what he has.

Hell, the UK saga screening already had a change again from the dvd. They screened the dvd versions on the big screen, but Hayden was removed as the force ghost and Shaw was re-inserted.
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#108718
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How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108718/action/topic#108718
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One thing that still bothered me was the makeup job on Palpatine, terrible...


I found the makeup to be really bad up until he put the hood on. He looked like a cross between Nicholson's Joker and Oldman's Dracula (in elder form). Add that to his Gollum like delivery on a few lines before the hood and that was one of only two scenes that had me really cringing during the movie. There were little kinks elsewhere, but nothing to that degree.
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#108525
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Changes to Attack of the Clones
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108525/action/topic#108525
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The lost twenty scene takes place during the "If its not in our archives, it doesn't exist" scene in the library.
In the first half of the scene, Jocasta Nu tells the history of Count Dooku.


INTERIOR: JEDI TEMPLE, ARCHIVE LIBRARY - DAY
A bronze bust of Count Dooku stands among a line of other busts of Jedi in the Archive Room. OBI-WAN stands in front of it, studying the striking features of the chiseled face.

On the walls, lighted computer panels seem to stretch into infinity. Farther along the room in the background, FIVE JEDI are seated at tables, studying archive material.

After OBI-WAN studies the bust for a few moments before MADAME JOCASTA NU, the Jedi Archivist, is standing next to him. She is an elderly, frail-looking human Jedi. Tough as old boots and smart as a whip.

JOCASTA NU: Did you call for assistance?

OBI-WAN: (distracted in thought) Yes... yes, I did...

JOCASTA NU: He has a powerful face, doesn't he? He was one of the most brilliant Jedi I have had the privilege of knowing.

OBI-WAN: I never understood why he quit. Only twenty Jedi have ever left the Order.

JOCASTA NU: (sighs) The Lost Twenty... Count Dooku was the most recent and the most painful. No one likes to talk about it. His leaving was a great loss to the Order.

OBI-WAN: What happened?

JOCASTA NU: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step with the decisions of the Council... much like your old Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

OBI-WAN: (surprised) Really?

JOCASTA NU: Oh, yes. They were alike in many ways. Very individual thinkers... idealists...

JOCASTA NU gazes at the bust.

JOCASTA NU: He was always striving to become a more powerful Jedi. He wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge of the Force was... unique. In the end, I think he left because he lost faith in the Republic. He believed that politics were corrupt, and he felt the Jedi betrayed themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the separatist movement.

OBI-WAN: It's very interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand.

JOCASTA NU: Well, I'm sure you didn't call me over here for a history lesson. Are you having a problem, Master Kenobi?


I would give real money to get ahold of that scene in dvd quality... That and the rest of the homestead scenes.
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#108089
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108089/action/topic#108089
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I think if either Shaak Ti scene goes on the dvd, it will be the OLD one, with Grievous killing her.
I've seen stills of him impaling her (though it was written to be a decapitation) with completed effects and Matt Wood has said that he's going in to record new Grievous dialogue for the dvd.
If they were to use the Anakin killing Shaak Ti scene, I would bet it would just be reincorporated into the film. It's too short and quick to be a deleted scene.
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#108075
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108075/action/topic#108075
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Yep, there was a subplot where Padme and Obi-Wan had grown increasingly closer throughout the movie and Palpatine had convinced Anakin that they were falling for each other behind his back.
There was also tension between Padme and Anakin as she was very influencial in founding the rebellion against Palpatine.
As Anakin got more paranoid, he drove Padme further and further away from himself and toward Obi-Wan. Sort of a self fufilling prophecy, not unlike her death.
That's why Anakin flips out with the whole:
"Liar!" "You brought him here to kill me!" "You turned her against me!" "You will not take her from me!"
That whole series of scenes is something I really hope makes the dvd (and it probably will judging from EP II's dvd).

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#108062
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108062/action/topic#108062
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Originally posted by: oojason
Hi Magnolia

Will there be a hint (or more) that Palpatine had a hand in the conception of Anakin in your Edit, m8?

It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, with the immaculate conception not being in Balance of the Force. Anakin was just an exceptional kid with amazing powers.
The conversation with Palpatine in FotR puts more emphasis on saving the lives of loved ones and less on creating life and manipulating midichlorians (which are not in FotR at all).
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#107608
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107608/action/topic#107608
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The prequels caused continuity errors with one line of Obi-Wan's in ESB. It got bitched about more than just about anything beside maybe Jar Jar.
Digging through Sir Alecs filmography, I found a way to ADR a slight change to the line.
It was so quick, subtle and well executed that every person who has been shown it, on first viewing, asks me what was changed. Even his lips synch up.
It's not until a little more thought is put in that they go "Wait... Oh!"
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#107568
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107568/action/topic#107568
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For those who are bothered by the reversed Spanish on EP I and II, if anyone knows how to get a dvd release with a 5.1 language track other than English, Spanish, French, or German, PM it my way. I have no problem buying them. I've looked on and off for a few years. The above is all I can ever locate... and the reversed Spanish sounds best from the above sources.

Oh, and for those who think the reversed dialogue sounds fake/different, take the line in Attack of the Clones where the alien says "The debate is over! Now we need this clone army!" and reverse it. You may be a little surprised with what you find.
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#107532
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107532/action/topic#107532
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Right now I have 5 different ways laid out to deal with the Qui-Gon thing, with varying difficulties. (all feasable for me, listed from easiest to hardest)
1. If the cut scene is on the dvd - easy enough.
2. Cut the reference outright as Qui-Gon already has another influencial voice over in my version of III anyway.
3. Widen the shot after Obi-Wan says "Qui-Gon!" and have him appear standing next to Yoda.
4. Fake the voice over scene with Yoda using cleverly edited Liam Neeson samples from his body of work and also include #3.
5. Have Liam ADR dialogue similar to the script, then include #3 as well.

And Rik's title on the cover is a creative decision that he was made privy to a few months ago.
While Revenge of the Sith is a cool sounding title, there's no real motivations for revenge.
Maul may say "At last we will have revenge", and Ki Adi does say they are extinct, but then the only backstory we have pre-Maul for their situation is Sidious killing Plagueis. Killing each other isn't the best motivation for revenge on someone else.
Originally I was going to keep the title, trim out the dialogue about Plagueis being killed by his apprentice and change the dialgue in the Mace scene:
"Anakin... Darth Plagueis was real!"
"Real?"
"He was my master... before I killed him."
to
"He was my master... before THEY killed him."
Then there is a precedence... But that exchange of dialogue was cut from the film.
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#107451
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107451/action/topic#107451
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For the question as to whether or not my identity was known... its a safe bet that someone there knew who I was.
I didn't go there and badmouth the PT. George has a pretty good idea what people think of them.
He does seem to really dig how drastically a film can take an entirely different form in the editing room, so I think something like Balance may appeal to him more than something like a Phantom Edit, which I think he views more like something thats been 'edited for television'.

I'm doing DL dvds eventually.
I had held off hoping that the TPM reissue with the OT dvds would have a better transfer and the new digital Yoda added to it, so I wouldn't have to go back and add him later. Needless to say, it didn't happen. I'm also extending 1 scene in Balance.
CW is getting a tad more of an overhaul. There was a scene that I wanted to add before that I couldn't get to flow. I've long since got it to work. There's also a few little changes throughout. I really wish I had the lost 20 scene to put back in and the original homestead stuff with the skeletal Threepio being completed, but oh well...
With 3, I certainly didn't hate it as much as those who loathe it, nor love it as much as its most feverent supporters, but I thought it was fun. On the other hand, it was far from perfect. There are parts that could certainly use a lot of work... I'm also weighing things like if the Qui-Gon scene is not on the dvd, should I cut the reference altogether and the one in II, or finish the Qui-Gon scene myself. Either way, Qui-Gon already has a pivotal moment in my version of III... a case of advice once given taking a horrible turn for the worse in a different context... And there is a pretty powerful moment in the "scene that explains it all" involving the tragedy that was Count Dooku.
And as for the weak Birth of Vader scene... Darth who?
The only guy named Darth I remember seeing in Episode III was named Sidious.

Don't fret too much. The scene still has its place elsewhere in the grand scheme of things.