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#55818
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edition Episode III-VI Titles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55818/action/topic#55818
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From what I hear, the deleted scenes may be included in a section of the documentary and a few will be reintegrated into the film... And yes, I was going to examine them to see if they could be fit in with out screwing up the original films.

Unfortunately, the Behind the Magic scenes are not quite restored to a level where they can be reinserted without standing out, but I'm hoping they are cleaned up further for the dvd.

And I already have a pretty good handle on how EP III is shaping up, so I kind of know where I'm going with that... unless drastic changes are made between now and May.
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#55810
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MagnoliaFan Edition Episode III-VI Titles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55810/action/topic#55810
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Basically, I'm not heavily screwing with IV and V.
A few little trims that have to do with something I'm doing in III for continuity (and preserving a few moments in the OT) and then I'll also probably use certain SE (and whatever we decide to dub this new version) shots in moderation while omitting other SE changes altogether.
Ie: When Luke takes the plunge in ESB, he looks terribly transparent in the original version. He looks more solid in the SE, but does that stupid scream, so I'll probably combine the SE video with the OE audio.
If there are deleted scenes in the documentary on the dvd set, I'll look them over for possible integration too. Don't really look for me to reinvent the wheel where it isn't needed.
Alderaan will not be shooting first.
Jedi will probably get slightly more changes, especially reflecting a big change I'm making to III. It's not really a matter of things being cut as much as shifted around a little.
I do have a couple cool ideas for additions to the climax of Jedi though that should be uber cool if they actually work.

And I do think the Revenge title fits because its Anakin, once again as a Jedi, taking revenge on Palpatine for manipulating him into a life of servitude and in turn destroying everything Anakin held dear.

As far as how I technically made all the changes to TPM and AotC... Very carefully.

A lot of the story elements I added were ideas from early drafts of SW and TPM that I liked, but were not used. Then again, a lot were a lot little "what ifs" on my part.
I think I only took a couple suggestions on EP I and II, which were from my roommate at the time.
One had to do with recutting the Jira scene... He didn't like the way she looked all squirrelly eyed.
I can't remember any others off hand, but there were not many. Most changes were just personal preferences.
I kind of avoid suggestions, since I end up getting comments like "Could you make Jar Jar not sound so much like Jar Jar?", "Can you replace Natalie Portman in Episode II with Kiera Knightley?" or "Could you replace all the Gungans in TPM with Wookiees?" (the inside joke alluded to earlier)

BTW: "The Hidden Fortress" title gave me chills, cool idea, especially as the rebel face is referred to as their "Hidden Fortress" in the film. I was considering dropping a subtitle altogether and going with just Star Wars: Episode IV, but now I'm really considering that one. Might need a tweak or two to the crawl, though...
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#55759
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55759/action/topic#55759
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Noticed that the image is already fixed in the rar file.
Wow, that was quick, unless it was already correct in the large version.
Once again, awesome covers.

I've also read people inquiring about a Episode III edit already...
Just so you know, there will be an as of yet untitled Episode III edit... and a IV edit... and a V edit... and a VI edit.
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#55760
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edition Episode III-VI Titles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55760/action/topic#55760
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Just curious if anyone had any feedback as to what they think I should title the edits of III-VI.

The Empire Strikes Back, I am keeping as the title for V. I'm pretty firm on that.

Jedi, I'm pretty sure to call "Revenge of the Jedi", reverting to the original title.
Sure, revenge may not be a Jedi trait, but in the end it's Anakin who takes revenge on Palpatine, so the title still fits.

Episode III, I'm still up in the air on, since I have yet to see the film, nor hear the official title.
With 1 and 2, I knew the title the moment I watched the last scene of the film.
That'll probably be the case again here.
If anyone does have any cool original title suggestions (that aren't on 1000 other website listings already) I'll take note of any that really strike me. Preferably one with a four word title ala "The Empire Strikes Back".

The one I'm really on the fence on is Episode IV, though. I have never really cared for the title "A New Hope".
I mean, if it were a standalone film, would a movie called "A New Hope" really draw you in?
At the same time, I've never really heard any decent alternate titles tossed around for it either.
Once again, open to suggestions. Preferably a title that still fits the 3 word name scheme, ala "A New Hope" or "The Clone War".
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#55746
Topic
Lost Original Trilogy footage... at blueharvest.net
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55746/action/topic#55746
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Interesting little tidbit also...
A bootleg video gets passed around the net of the two Biggs scenes in color with original music.
People always claim that it comes from the lost cut of Star Wars.
It's actually just the two scenes from Behind the magic with new music composited together and some from alternate sources and looped in.
I made that tape years ago, before I knew anything about digital editing and such...
I just edited the music on the computer.
I gave it out to a few friends and like the edit, it made its way around.
Funny little fact: I knew so little about digital editing at the time that the title cards for the scenes were made with Mario Paint for the snes...

Oh, and I'm working on an animorphic Pre-Anh since Rikter gave me an Animorphic set, but for the time being, he does have a widescreen, non-animorphic version.
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#55744
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Lost Original Trilogy footage... at blueharvest.net
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55744/action/topic#55744
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I'd like to see the entire lost cut as much as anyone.
I have the original cantina sequence and the original attack on the death star sequence from it (WWII stock footage cut together to represent the final scene).
I know that tapes were dubbed and sent to a few people at the SW Insider to review it for an issue.
They wrote about viewing the tape and included pics.
I also know that an employee at the insider did dub a copy before returning it, because there was a guy selling bootleg dvd-rs at a convention here a while back, but since he wasn't paying for a table to deal there, they called the cops and had him hauled off before I was able to get one.
I got to see a little bit of one of the dvds running at a dealer's table who bought one that day, but he wasn't parting with it at the moment... though I was tempted to knock him in the head and just take it...
If anyone does get a hold of it, I'd love to see it... and I'd see what I could do with cleaning it up colorizing what I could.

>Umm, that would be the greatest find of all time to see that...
>Magnoliafan...are you out there for this one?
>
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#54838
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54838/action/topic#54838
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Yeah, LFL have really become jackyls.
The cover art was online for like 2 hours before they ordered the site torn down.
You can still get it if you catch me on AIM.

Oh and the Clone War subtitle thing seems to be a compatibility issue with certain dvd players and the way the disc was made. Some dvd players the subs show up, some they don't.
I'm throwing together a new disc of the film with a more standard subtitle track like I used for "Balance of the Force" and I'm sending it to Rikter tomorrow in the AM.
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#54761
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54761/action/topic#54761
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CW was made with an earlier version of Dvd Studio Pro, as it was actually finished before Balance of the Force.
The subtitles were defaulted on, without the option of turning them off, so they should be there no matter what, but I've noticed that one of my newer dvd ripping programs does not recognize the subtitle track as being there to rip it, where as an older one does.
I'm guessing this is a compatability issue with dvd studio pro 1.
Anyway, I'm ripping everything and re assembling it with the current version.
That should fix the old compatibility issues. Still really strange...
Every device I play the old disc on displays the subtitles, it just does not display the option of a subtitle track to turn on and off...
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#54675
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54675/action/topic#54675
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I'm only aware of dvds of the edits, which is how they were made.
The subtitle tracks on both were set to default on, so they should be on unless you shut them off.
I was just pointing out that if somebody converted them to put up online, to be sure to add the sub track, as it is separate.
BTW, if your settings are not displaying the subtitles for some reason just press the subtitle button and they should turn on. That is odd though. This is the first I've heard of that problem.
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#54585
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54585/action/topic#54585
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Episode 1 was an on again off again experiment for a couple years that I finally buckled down and finished as a project for a digital editing class. The earliest beginnings of it were just notes on paper from watching the vhs, and later the bootleg dvd, prior to the official dvd release. It evolved a lot after getting to see the deleted scenes.
"The Clone War" actually was finished before Balance of the Force. I got frustrated working on one scene in particular from Balance and made the bulk of CW (sans Dooku's yellow saber) over a weekend, as a change of pace.
I think that CW is still a tad rougher around the edges than Balance. If I ever had access to all of the extra Jar Jar scenes, the lost twenty scene, and the extra scenes from the Lars Homestead, I would definitely make a Special Edition to CW.
There are actually changes to nearly every shot in the Phantom Menace. I found that shaving a few frames off of almost every shot drastically reduced the film's final runtime. That's how I was able to add so much deleted footage and extend other scenes without really cutting out a large amount of footage in the finaly film, considering that it runs 16 minutes shorter and yet has all the deleted scenes and several new scene extensions.
There are a lot of really tedious changes I made just for the hell of it that I doubt most people ever notice. I'm thinking about making a website and putting up a comprehensive list of every major change (besides frame trimming).

A few changes that most people don't ever notice:

The first scene between TC-14 and the Viceroy has been extended with additional dialogue.

Original - Darth Sidious: I don't want this stunted slime in my sight again!
Balance - Dath Sidious: I don't want this slime in my sight again!

The Jedi mind trick now has its own sound effect.

When Qui-Gon and co enter Mos Espa, a large ship flew by at a very low altitude against line of sight. It had been digitally painted out of the shot in Balance. The wipe is trimmed to help hide it.

Beisdes the cantina song (if you've seen it, you know), Watto has several new lines of dialogue.

Original - Anakin: Since I was very little... Three, I think.
Balance - Anakin: Since I was three, I think.

Original - Anakin: Sandstorms are very... very dangerous. Come on, I'll take you to my place.
Balance - Anakin: Sandstorms are very dangerous. Come on, I'll take you to my place.

Dozens of "Phantom laserblasts" have been given sound effects, and lots of additional sound has been added in other places, such as additional chatter on the streets of Mos Espa.

Any scene where music has been replaced or aliens are dubbed has had the entire sound mix reproduced from scratch.

In the balcony scene with Maul, Sidious has an alternate line of dialogue. Digitally altered footage of Sidious had to be painted over the original scene and looped in such a way that it created the illusion of a lip synch. The footage of Maul had to be altered also to match the new length of the scene.

That's just a few of the lesser known ones...

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#54582
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54582/action/topic#54582
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Yep...
I know the original cover art for both is floating around, catch me online and I can IM it to you.

I originally only made a few copies for friends & family...
Then it magically turned up for sale at the San Diego Comic Con last year, complete with the cover art I made for those personal copies, so I decided to hell with it. I'd rather share it with a few people for free, who could pass it along...

BTW, if anyone takes a stab at their own cover art, I'd still be interested in seeing the result.
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#54518
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54518/action/topic#54518
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Sorry, I just noticed that PMs and my profile (which has my email) weren't turned on. It's fixed now.
I also thought that my email address was listed in the review for Balance, as it was on the dvd...
Apparrently, it wasn't.

Also, there is a bad "rainbow" at another part in the Pre ANH tape where the tape switch occurred, so I think it was just an initial bad jump cut. I think the later release added the minor dialogue extension, ala "To be angry is to be human". I've gone over it frame by frame and the technology at the time would have made it look a lot worse if the recorder was shut off and turned back on... and remember that I have studied the entire version frame by frame to recreate it.
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#54504
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54504/action/topic#54504
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To correct what is said about the Pre ANH SW.
The "Now's our chance, go!" shots are not reversed in it, in the original vhs, nor the dvd.
Also incorrect from the compendium, there is a visual change.
The scene with Tarkin, Vader and the imperials discussing the stolen Death Star plans ends abruptly without the line "We will then crush the rebellion with one swift stroke"
Also some shots vary in length from the later releases by anywhere from a few frames to a second or two.

As far as everyone's requests for the Pre ANH dvd go, I don't really have time to be making copies to mail to everyone, but I am working on setting someone up with one, who can share with the rest of the class.
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#54394
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54394/action/topic#54394
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The audio mix comes straight from the bootleg vhs.
The video has been replaced shot for shot with the lbx laserdisc and the alternate crawl was recreated in After Effects. Also Greedo's subtitles were recreated as a subtitle track. It's similar to how the dvd remastered Phantom Re-Edit was done.

For that, the audio was from vhs, the video was a dvd rip, and the subtitles were transcribed as a seperate sub track.
In that case, though, two shots had to be replaced, as no dvd source existed for them, but a before and after vhs to dvd comparison was left to show how minimal the changes were.