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@muddy, That would indeed be a great way to end ROTJ. That reminds me of aalenfae's amazing job depicting an alternative way for seeing Anakin's ghost http://vimeo.com/36883170 It looks great and it's effectively emotional seeing his ghost appear amongst the flames in that way, imo (even if it was Hayden used). It'd be interesting to see this concept in an edit, but just not sure if it'd be right for Revisited.

muddyknees2000 said:

.Mac. said:

Without a doubt Shaw's ghost is returning, but I'm hopeful he'll consider keeping the eye brows removed and eyes blue :)

Those were changes that he approved of...seeing as how they made sense....so I'd bet that he'll keep them.

I'm glad to hear that. That's why I'd like these changes kept too, because these changes actually made sense.

Isley said:

The skin of ROTJ's Anakin has only been pale since the DVD version (where they also removed his eyebrows and changed his eye's color). I'm pretty sure Adywan's planned to restore the pre-DVD Anakin, including removing Christensen's ghost.

Yeah they drastically increased the paleness of his skin since the DVDs, but even in the pre-DVD ROTJ his head appeared to be a bit more pale than his fleshy, more badly scarred, ESB head. Since Ady is likely using the ROTJ blu-ray/DVD as the source to work from, he'll eventually have to address it either way so they'll both look more the same.

Without a doubt Shaw's ghost is returning, but I'm hopeful he'll consider keeping the eye brows removed and eyes blue :)

EDIT: I also love that pressurizing sound effect when his helmet is sealed.

I'm curious about this one and haven't noticed it mentioned anywhere else. What is the plan for Anakin's inconsistent skin color and texture of his head between ESB and ROTJ?

In ESB it is flesh colored and more badly scarred in texture. In ROTJ, it's very pale (with obvious powdered makeup) and appears to be smoother in more areas.

Unless Ady already had something else in mind, I think it'd look good to have it be a tiny bit more pale in ESB, then match this coloring for ROTJ, along with some more added wrinkles/scarring in certain areas around his head. And yes, I'm in the boat who liked seeing his eye brows removed and eyes blue :)

@ TV's Frink, lol, now I wish I meant "Dido". You have a good eye in more areas than one ;)

@ Bester, I'm not expecting, but I'm all for it if Ady wanted to show off something at post.. er page 1138.

@ oh_riginal, I completely agree, I think the ESB lightsaber sounds are excellent as is, but could use some extra "oomph" as you say like in the PT, especially in closeups. Then this could be the "template" for how lightsabers should sound for the rest of the saga.

ROTJ I felt they sounded a little too "sparky/static-y" (bass would help), like at times when Luke's lightsaber is locked with Vader's. Maybe there could be some PT/ESB sounds here and there too, otherwise these sounds are great as well. And I agree, overall it has less "oomph" than even ESB.

ANH, being the oldest, was always the weakest in sound quality to me. They improved the sounds during Vader vs Obi-Wan for the dvd, but whenever we see Luke wielding his, it still sounds very flat imo.

As for the PT, again I agree. I think if some good OT/ESB sounds were added here and there, and the bass levels were consistent across the board with the OT, I think this would be a good step in the right direction :)

oh_riginal said:

cause I've come to trust Ady to know what's best 99.9% of the time.

And at this point, being so close to finally seeing ESB:R's release, all I'm worried about is the audio side of things, of which there is little to worry about.

Ditto.

About the audio, the only thing I'm curious about is how are the sound effects for lightsabers going to be handled in ESB:R, or for that matter, the entire saga.

I'm wondering if they're all going to sound alike for consistency (hums, clashes, striking metal, etc.), sounding like either the OT, PT, or a healthy mixture of both? Or should they all be left alone so that they'll each have their own idiosyncratic sounds?

Jaitea said:

muddyknees2000 said:

.Mac. said:

Boba somehow knew how and which Star Destroyer Han was hiding on (in my experience there's no such thing as luck).

could very well be that he was just hiding in the garbage IN CASE Han tried the same trick...maybe he didn't know a damn thing but his bounty hunter instinct told him to try that before leaving in case it panned out.

Well I'd say that Boba would have looked at the situation with a similar survivors instinct as the pirate captain, The Falcon had its chance to escape a couple of times,.....no lightspeed,.....the first time it heads into an asteroid field to try and hide, the second time, when it had a clear shot of getting away it turns and buzzes the control bridge of its persuer.....then vanishes......I'd say Boba knew axactly the move Han pulled....flew out to investigate,.... spotted the space tic, and hid in a similar position......waiting

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That's pretty much how I view it too Jaitea. Since he did fly from the Executor to Captain Needa's SD (the one that spotted the MF last), then spent precious time waiting there and floating aimlessly in garbage, that tells me he at least had a good inference Han was hiding nearby.

If he actually did see where Han was, one might ask why didn't he report it to the SD then and there (maybe he did and the Empire was in on the scheme)? Well the easiest way to catch a mouse isn't chasing it (in open space), you trap it where it's less likely to expect it (and out of the ship).

Whether it was this way or another way, it didn't have to be explained to us, but it's still fun to speculate some things :)

^ And that's a possible way to look at it too. However way anyone looks at that, it worked out for him in the end :)

Ronster, I understand where you're coming from about "spoon-fed vs missing detail" and I admire that you're trying hard to pay attention to all details, but I do believe this sequence where Boba is following Han explains itself well enough as is.

All we need to know is:

Boba somehow knew how Han was hiding and which Star Destroyer it was on (in my experience there's no such thing as luck).

His ship was ejected with the garbage, "offline" and unnoticed/undetected by Han.

After Boba saw the MF leave the garbage, he eventually turned his ship "online", left the garbage also, and followed Han out in deep space for however long, still undetected (the increased distance by Ady helps as a probable cause why Boba was undetected - he was too far out of range)

We find out later that somewhere along the way, Boba learned where Han and co. were heading and then notified the Empire.

It's unknown if Boba got to Bespin before, after, or the same time as the MF (we don't need to know which), but we do find out that the Empire got there before the MF did...

Other than what the footage already shows us for this part of the movie, we really don't need to know any more details about what happened or how it happened.

Well it is possible for someone to have cloaking ability on their ship and still be cunning, but I agree with the points that it's not necessary.

The only reason why I would've been okay with cloaking devices in SW is because it was mentioned by Needa. It's just a matter of interpretation if it means literal stealth or just "off the scanners", which for me I could've gone either way.

But when in doubt, keeping things looking and feeling as close to the original as possible is the best way. Therefore, not having stealth on Slave I and only increasing the following distance, as Ady already did, would be best after all.

About this cloaking, Jaitea already brought up a good point earlier on this page. "Cloaking" doesn't necessarily mean it has to vanish from the eye, it could just be "off the scanners".

It works great as it is and we can just assume that the Slave I has the ability to fly "off the scanners", even much better now that Ady increased the following distance between the two ships.

But I'll admit, it's not a bad idea and it'd make sense to see the Slave I literally cloak itself as it's flying by in the SE footage. It would visually tell the audience that:

A) it in fact cannot be detected by the MF, no matter how close it is (and then the following distance should be brought back closer to how it was originally, making the "prowl" more eerie, which I'd like)

B) this sort of tech can exist on small ships (making Captain Needa's previous statement about cloaking sound more ignorant, which I like).

C) Boba and his Slave I is all the more fearsome and awesome.

So it wouldn't just be unnecessary eye candy like it would have been in the PT. SW has always been about visuals and sounds to help tell a story after all, so even if something can be inferred without seeing it, sometimes it is a good idea to actually see it, in some cases and as long as it's done right.

The only concerns I'd have about this is would it look/feel right and would most fans be fine with this? By this point I'm sure Ady has already made up his mind of what he'll do - if he's totally against it, that's just fine with me; if he's going to do it, I'm fine with it too. Just as long as Slave I isn't seen jumping to lightspeed, because he should still be "stalking the prey".

My 2 cents on this topic :)

You are definitely right Akratus. Sound effects (and music) are just as important as the visuals for telling a story, especially when it comes to SW. Who hasn't mimicked a lightsaber? I'm confident Ady will be keeping what he can that sounded great originally, but then enhance/replace anything outdated/terrible sounding.

So basically, ESB:R will sound just as good as it will look, which will be all-around awesome XD

And I agree with you, muddy, I also liked the unique sound of the PT Slave I for the exact same reason. Hopefully we'll hear it in ESB.

adywan said:

As soon as i have finished the video side of things for ESB:R i will be working on a trailer for the Revisited saga. I want to get ESB:R out of the way first before i think about anything else

When finished with ESB:R, were you also thinking of updating your current ESBR Extended Trailer one last time to accommodate the fully completed footage (AT-ATs now with AT-STs clip, etc), and adding this as a bonus feature?

I must say I am also looking forward to your Revisited Saga Trailer in the future :)

I wish I could bid on this. This would be cool to have whoever wins this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321196275472?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

And I read this in the description

Master Skywalker said this concerning what we were adding: "That's brilliant! I always wondered where I went." High praise from Luke Skywalker himself!).

That is truly awesome that Hamill himself is aware of and has commented on this project.

This makes me think of certain opportunities for Revisited, possibilities that may not have been thought remotely possible before. If more and certain SW celebs are aware of this project and greatly admire its aspirations, how amazing would it be if some actually would be willing to contribute some of their time (for the Revisited prequels)??

I spoke with Ray Park himself at a comicon last year and he is genuinely a nice guy, fun person to talk with too. I asked and he would certainly love to somehow be in SW again, even if it were as an extra, and I want to believe that this project would be no exception. It could be possible to have Darth Maul as a recurring character for the prequels (something that the prequels lacked, an iconic bad guy that helped drive the story - but sadly, he was underused). If Ady were interested, Maul has this potential and (assuming it's edited so he doesn't die in EP1) he could be one of the orchestrators during the Clone Wars, easily taking the place of General Grievous for one (Griveous could then just be a cyborg captain on the Invisible Hand, nothing more than that).

Ewan McGregor, to re-shoot scenes or shoot entirely new scenes where necessary? After all, he sounds eager to reprise Obi-Wan again.

Hayden could have the opportunity to "redeem" his portrayal of younger Anakin to the fans, under the direction of Ady. The guy can act well enough, but just like with any actor, if given a bad script and uninvolved director, any actor can seem terrible.

Samuel L Jackson wants to be in SW again, he's hoping to be in EP VII (even as a force ghost, I hope not).

At the least, any actor could supply Ady with some recorded dialogue that can be dubbed in the movies too.

I know this idea may sound far-fetched and more like a dream, and I don't know all the legalities and such... but I do believe that if anyone were passionate about something, and SW does have that special place in many people's heart (just look at everything Ady is doing as a great example), there are certainly possibilities...

Thank you Sojourn & timdiggerm, I don't know why I didn't think of that XD

EDIT:

Ady, maybe you already answered this a while back, but after you are 100% done with ESB:R, were you thinking of updating your movie trailer one last time to have all finished shots and include that as one of the bonus material? This would be greatly appreciated by me and many of your fans if you did. The ESB:Revisited Extended Trailer is one of the best looking movie trailers out there - it is done so well that I still get goosebumps during parts of it.

^^ If you look closely enough in several shots, you can already see that the side guns on the AT-ATs do shoot. I'm sure they'll be more noticeable and all properly-aligned when Ady's done with them though.

So this past week I've been going back and reading all the older posts in '08 (only at pg 131) and I have to say it has been a fun journey so far. Learning about the earlier stages of ESB:R, the suggestions and collaborating back then (despite continually seeing the exact same suggestions over n over... "welcome to Ady's world"), the progress, and knowing where it is today.

For me it feels like reading a director's commentary for my favorite film, especially anytime Ady would chime in. It's interesting to think that there are certain things happening now where back then he probably didn't imagine or believe he would be doing; most uncertainties, if not all, are probably vanished too (how to fix something).

I've learned more than I thought I already knew, so I will definitely continue to read. It just makes me even more excited to be a part of this :)

My only wish is being able to skip to any specific page number we wanted, but bookmarks are fine for now XD

And I was just wondering, has anyone else downloaded every uploaded ESB:R segment that Ady did, put them in order, and watched the film this way? I did, haha, multiple times - I'd take Ady's partial clips over my dvd/blu-ray, any day! :D

You continue to impress us with your outstanding models, Ady.

I'm sure this will be seen a couple times in ESB (I'm curious where), but I'm betting that this was created with ROTJ in mind too. During the thawing process for a better visual maybe?

Now on Facebook, there seems to a be a debate over how Han has his hands raised if he was cuffed. I say his wrists were definitely uncuffed when you see the Ugnaught come right in front of him tinkering at his wrists. His arm restraints are still there though, but that wouldn't hinder his ability to raise his forearms to how we see them frozen.

As for the arm restraints, I'm guessing these are the cuffs that Ady was talking about adding for ROTJ. That will be hard, but not impossible to do. I would have been willing to go along with them being melted away during the thawing process, as I've read some other people believing too.

Anyway, great work Ady and I'm looking forward to seeing the next pic of it completed!

Oh and did you get the new camera yet?

It is a shame about the insurance situation, but I'm thankful that no shots were lost in this ordeal and ESB:R can carry on soon with a newer (and hopefully more reliable) camera on the way, even if it might feel a little "jinxed" at this time :)

@Ryan McAvoy & DF Shadow, Of course XD

@oh_riginal, I feel the exact same way. I'd certainly welcome the idea if Ady wants to insert some tiny, creepy crawly/flying creatures in some scenes (nothing blatant), to enhance the experience that this is out in the wild on a murky alien planet.

I even wouldn't mind if he replaced/modified many of those earthly things to something a bit more alien looking, especially that python on the left tree that Luke takes the time to notice as he's on his way to the cave - there's great opportunity for something unique there (it was genius that Ady added an extra set of eyes to that one lizard in the cave btw).

If a creature is tiny, they can more easily and naturally appear in a few scenes without being distracting. These arachnids appear a bit large (twice the height of yoda?) and menacing though, so inserting them somewhere without disrupting the focus on the character(s)/scene is greatly limited. I'm interested in seeing these arachnids, but I feel it'd only work at the long-shot of the X-Wing crash and/or maybe while R2 is out in the rain.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

I still want to be able to see it, but not shoved in my face like Lucas would have it done.

In short, exactly this :)

It sounds cool to add that large arachnid, but I'm curious where?

Without any new scenes being added to ESB:R (so we've been told) and without it interfering with what's already happening on-screen, the only place that comes to mind where it could work seamlessly is in that wide shot of Luke's X-Wing after he crashes it - you might catch a glimpse of one scampering off-screen to the right. Otherwise, there's honestly no reason to see them.

I can definitely see some other little alien creepy-crawlies/fliers (besides earthly snakes) moving around in a few shots though, mainly in the cave of evil or any other shadowy/dark shots.

As far as I am concerned Ady, those (baby) trees were delivered directly from Dagobah - that's how real they look. The attention to detail on everything there is incredible. Probably not, but do you think you'll need to use these again for any shot in ROTJ (while Luke visits Yoda)?

rockin said:

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It almost seems that way XD or as Ronster put it, it's like a paradox. While I thought "fixing" this detail would make any issue less noticeable in this sequence, I think Ady made the right decision to just leave it alone after all - other areas need his attention more.

adywan said:

You can't flip any of those shots without creating more continuity errors. You flip the shot of him walking up stairs and Han & co are coming from the wrong direction from the previous shot and Hans gun belt is also on the wrong side. Flip the shot of lobot coming down the stairs and the stormtroopers are reversed (and you can't just flip Lobot either). It's only a problem since the SE's, thanks to the window as the original "windows" could well have had the corridor go all the way around the back. But, Lobot could always have doubled back when the attention was not focused on the rear wall, so i see no need to do anything here.

Thank you for your response Ady.

I understand the issue with flipping those other shots, but you do think it'd be a problem to only flip Lobot and the stormtroopers in the background during the arrest? I thought they looked symmetrical enough to where it could possibly work (if anything their holsters would be on the opposite side, but it's not as noticeable as Lobot going one way and coming from another; plus who says Stormtroopers can't wear it on any side?). Since it doesn't change anything if he's there or not, what about the idea of removing Lobot from walking up the stairs (probably more work than benefit though).

I had thought about the "double back" theory, but considering the pacing of this sequence (and within the frequent times we actually do catch a glimpse of the back window, with nobody there), it's difficult to imagine he had time to do this (assuming he did have good reason to move back and forth in the hallway). I guess the only time I can see him changing course and head to the right side is while Chewie looks over his shoulder, but I'd prefer to think Chewie looks over his shoulder because he senses something is wrong, not that he sees something is wrong. But if you're sure it's fine how it is, then I think we can all agree to that too ;)

If you haven't already, would you at least be willing to correct the stormtrooper's feet between shots during the arrest?

@ Ronster, As for Han and Lando switching sides around Lea, I guess the way to view these two shots are as shots that aren't directly linked (as in, some time has elapsed to give time for them to switch sides).

Ronster said:

That is one that is misleading... It could of course be a roundabout hall so in effect Lobot spotted them went and got the troopers and came around the other side...To spring their arrest.

Except if you notice in the shot with the SE windows (which Ady is keeping and even fixed in that "arrest" shot), there is no roundabout hall - you see the outside and towers. True, we could remove the SE windows and then that'd leave that possibility of a roundabout, but honestly I wouldn't prefer that over either of the other two suggestions I already mentioned.

Ronster said:

Star Wars can be interpreted in so many different ways it can appear muddled when it is in fact not but on the flip side of this it can appear to be fine when it is in fact muddled.

Btw, I really like this quote as it is very true. I think this is one of those times. To me, this sequence appears fine as it is when it is in fact muddled.

Imho, I think the best approach for improving this sequence is only flip Lobot during the arrest so he's coming from the left instead of the right (but if it's easier for Ady to do, the Stormtroopers could be flipped with him too), as this change will be the least noticeable (Ady has no problem flipping shots for correcting other minor things after all). I'm curious what Ady thinks.

Later, we see him coming from the right in this shot.

My suggestion is either (not sure which I'd prefer):

A) Only flip Lobot in the background in that last image so he's coming  from the left (where we saw him walk towards just moments before).

B) remove Lobot from that previous shot (or replace with someone else who doesn't look like the cyborg) since he has little reason being there anyway (unless he's fetching stormtroopers - but again, the direction that he comes from is inconsistent). He wouldn't have had time in this scene (nor would it make sense) to walk one way, then walk to the other side, and finally come in from the opposite direction.