I have a *great* feeling about this :)
Very nice update with the shield generator Ady!
I've recently been wondering, as I haven't seen this ever discussed before (and sorry it's late in the game), in that sequence when the Tie Bombers are bombing the large asteroid in search of the MF here..
..might we be seeing their explosions actually interacting with and destroying the asteroid's surface?
Seeing these bombs creating craters of their own would look awesome I think, or at the least seeing rocks and dust being picked up. I think the bombs should stay a bluish color too (for anyone thinking they should be green) ;)
brash_stryker said:
I wonder if Mike Stoklasa would be interested in just saying "Luke" if the Ian McDarmid clip isn't sufficient. He does a mean Emperor....
You may have been joking, but actually that's not a bad idea at all.
Just as Ady was on a search for someone who can digitally replicate an explosion for the generator, he could go on a search for someone who can do a really good emperor voice.. get a recording of them saying "Luke" for this scene, then seamlessly fit it in. This may be the best option, instead of using a "Luke" said by Ian with a different pitch/tone.
And of course keep this same person handy when it comes time for doing the prequels/ROTJ, just in case there's changing/adding/improving of dialogue ;)
iamweasel said:
sonofjones said:
Eh, even if he doesn't manage to restore Luke, it's still a one word difference. the entire context of the scene is reverted back to how it was originally (which is the big plus with the dialogue), so even if it's young skywalker instead of luke skywalker it won't be a deal breaker (least not for me)
I feel the same way. I can understand his desire for perfection, but young Skywalker is really fine to me as well.
Same for me as well.
I really like in Ady's "Emperor hologram scene" how, in his tone when the Emperor says "Young Skywalker", he sounded as though he were demeaning towards Luke.. even disgusted, that he can't bear to say the full name.. and that fits his character perfectly. It's formal/respectful to say first and last names in many cultures, but the Emperor isn't necessarily one who'd show respect towards others ;) so saying "Young Skywalker" fits his style.
On the other hand though, given the context, it does seem to make more sense that he would actually say "Luke Skywalker," for the sake of informing Vader who exactly it is. Which Skywalker? Well, we the audience know wh o(Vader of course already knows who too), but it seems clear that the Emperor doesn't suspect that Vader knows, so he would most likely say "Luke Skywalker".
So in short: If Ady can manage to make him say "Luke Skywalker" again, in that same demeaning tone, perfect! If not, and it must still be "Young Skywalker", that's just fine also.
My 2 cents :)
sonofjones said:
Welcome back to ESB:R forum, where one viewer has presented a question: About how long would after the release of ESB:R can we expect to see forums for ROTJ:R, PT:R and ANH:R HD? Also, since they are being done at once, will they all be combined into a single forum, or will each film have it's own forum?
I am not positive, but I believe I remember Ady saying somewhere he hopes to take a year off from anything Revisited after ESB:R. Whenever he is ready, I'm guessing he will create individual threads for each episode.
ESB:R is nearing 30,000 likes on Facebook, a huge jump from 27,000 on Jan 29th :)
Ady is trying to get ESB:R to us soon, but if it takes him as long as May 4th or even May 21st to complete it, I have no problems waiting until then too :)
@BlueCardinal, Yeah, I'm thinking it may be more work than benefit in this case too, but we'll see.
@timdiggerm, I don't think we'd see "cold breaths" on Yavin IV, so are you suggesting we should be able to see how chilly it is by just looking at Lea's sheer gown? XD
I remember seeing that clip of Han and Lea talking where Ady was experimenting and added "breaths". I thought it looked pretty good, almost perfect.
No doubt it would require a whole lot of work adding this subtle detail to almost all of the Hoth scenes (much more than if he decides to add some extra bug-life on Dagobah, in only a few outdoor scenes), but if it could be done convincingly (key word), it would certainly go a long way in adding realism to these locations (making them less like sets). It is up to Ady if it's worth it :)
Bingowings said:
Any-hoo any chance of getting something Star Wars Revisited related for Christmas?
Perhaps the "asteroid canyon sequence" and maybe even the new "Wampa sequence" will be completed by then.
As much as I was looking forward to the possibility of the film being completed by the end of 2013, I would not be the least bit disappointed if Ady needs more time to properly take care of every last detail and carries it on to early 2014 :)
I'm imagining a shield generator sitting there and the sand recolored to look like snow... that would indeed be a perfect explosion for the shield generator!
Wouldn't it be possible to contact that fellow in the vid and ask for his permission to use his video as a source? (and add his name to the credits for supplying the explosion)
If he has any love for SW and/or the work Ady is accomplishing, I'd imagine he would be more than happy with that (I know I would be perfectly fine with it if I were he) - this way it helps save time and, whenever possible, it's just always best to do practical effects ;)
I'm sure Ady is still working some more on the visuals of this clip, but I just wanted to put on my "critique goggles" and be helpful in finding anything that's worth mentioning and possibly corrected/edited (in case any of these flew under the radar).
Paden said:
One minor thing I noticed in the latest clip released, is that the red graphics you've been adding to the snow speeders control console are missing from a few frames just after Dak is killed (~23").
Yep, you're right.
Monroville said:
should Wedge's snow speeder cast a shadow at 1:28 when he's circling around the legs in the high overhead shot?
You're right too, its shadow should be seen in there. It's shadow is also missing between 1:32 - 1:33 (you'd at least notice it on the AT-AT's legs).
Also the shadow being cast by the snowspeeder is noticeably off between 1:24 - 1:25 when comparing it to the AT-AT's shadow (it's as if the light source is different between these two objects).
I believe the white cores are missing in the lasers at 0:42 (is it because what's seen outside the AT-AT's window will be changed?) and also between 0:58 - 1:00. All of the other lasers look perfect that I can tell.
At 1:45, the AT-AT's back leg (the far right one) has an attachment on the foot that appears to be off and then it suddenly "jumps" to its correct location between frames.
The bend in the AT-AT's legs as its tripping (more noticeably it's rear legs) are different at 1:47 than they are in the subsequent side-view shot. Not sure if it's fixable, but still worth mentioning.
The mountains in the background to the left of the fallen AT-AT (at 1:55) I believe are different than they were previously (at 1:50 for example). I noticed that other areas in several of the backgrounds were fixed though.
I think that is all that's worth mentioning - I hope this was helpful :)
I still can't get over how much I loved all of the little details that were added, no matter how minor, such as the snow being kicked up from the blasts as the speeders are beginning to shoot at the fallen AT-AT ;)
Awesome video clip Ady, it's amazing how well it's taking shape, thank you! Besides some continuity error fixes, I enjoyed seeing a few additional details that worked to 'enhance' the action, such as some extra snowspeeders flying/crashing in some shots. Needless to say, the AT-STs looked great :) Everything with and around Vader's hologram appeared perfect to me too.
On the audio side of things (when it comes time for working on that more later), it did make perfect sense to change Luke's original "Steady Rogue TWO" to be "THREE" instead, but I'm agreeing with Tack, will his tone on the word "THREE" be edited so it can sound more similar to how he said "TWO" originally? As it is, it doesn't quite fit in, but almost.
Something else that stands out to me as a continuity error is the incorrect engine hum of Wedge's snowspeeder at the instant when you hear Luke say over the radio "I'll cover for you". There it's Luke's lower-pitched engine hum when instead it should be Wedge's higher-pitched engine hum. Just wanted to mention it so it could be checked out :) Btw, I liked the new background better at this part too, but I wonder if the replaced background could possibly be salvaged (so it's not totally lost) and be used somewhere else, like when the soldiers are fleeing the AT-ATs towards the end?
Thank you again Ady :)
Woah, the asteroid canyon is looking great Ady!
muddyknees2000 said:
If the were a way to change the line to "PREPARE my shuttle".....then no painting out would be required at all. Just a thought.
Hmm, not a bad idea. I'd think someone could manage to insert and edit his word "Prepare" from the SE dialogue (which I really disliked btw) so its tone could match how "Bring" sounded originally... then yes it'd work to have his shuttle already waiting there. I'm open to your suggestion.
Edit: @brash_stryker, yep, I'm thinking "READY my shuttle" might sound better too.
Well, I know this topic has been talked about a lot before, but I'll bite, only because I didn't have the chance to discuss it those times long ago :)
I disliked the SE addition of the shuttle leaving Bespin and especially hated that recycled shot from ROTJ of it landing, for the same obvious reasons that anyone else disliked those shots.
But I must admit, that particular SE long-view shot of Vader and co. walking on the platform didn't bother me, for a few reasons:
The side-view shot was done 'artistically' in that way, so for that, it visually looked good to me (Ady could do touch-ups wherever needed).
The music cue and chase sequence were not interrupted by this short addition, since it was placed immediately after Vader's dialogue - in fact, I'd argue that it added slightly more 'heft' to that otherwise short clip of Vader (unlike the other SE clips where they were intrusive where they were placed and threw off everything, so these must definitely be left out).
Lastly, it showed a good first reveal of Vader's shuttle. This is the main reason why I liked this particular SE clip, we see a good proper first view of his shuttle, instead of always inferring how Vader gets around. I think it is deserving to actually see his shuttle just once in ESB (prior to ROTJ), and here seems to be the only proper place to show it.
There has to be one significant change to this shot though. Instead of showing Vader's shuttle sitting there already waiting, his shuttle must be seen just starting to land and touching down on the platform. This is the only way I could see this clip working. It should be obvious that there is a time lapse between his "Bring my shuttle" line and the footage of him walking the landing platform, but at least this way it wouldn't seemingly contradict his previous demand.
At the very least, this was fun to finally lay out my 2 cents on this topic :)
timdiggerm said:
.Mac. said:
For anyone who'd like to see some original blooper clips from Star Wars:
http://now.msn.com/star-wars-blooper-reel-is-full-of-mistakes-from-the-original-movie?ocid=ansnow11
They all had me laughing, such great fun XD
Maybe Ady would be interested in including this as a bonus feature for the ANH:R HD? ;)
Do you even look at the rest of the forum?
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Blooper-Reel/topic/16031/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Blooper-Reel/topic/16036/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-of-Return-of-the-Jedi-the-book-Thread/post/666807/#TopicPost666807
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Something-that-might-interest-folks-here-ROTJ-Editdroid-Laserdisc-Footage/post/667555/#TopicPost667555
Obviously I haven't been lately :) Thanks for those links.
For anyone who'd like to see some original blooper clips from Star Wars:
http://now.msn.com/star-wars-blooper-reel-is-full-of-mistakes-from-the-original-movie?ocid=ansnow11
They all had me laughing, such great fun XD
Maybe Ady would be interested in including this as a bonus feature for the ANH:R HD? ;)
Just found out about that EditDroid 1984 Demo laserdisc from the Revisited Facebook page. What's the latest news on this, did Ady get it?
Tobar said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
I don't think he is saying anything he's just doing that pre speech jaw thing...
Precisely.
*Nods head in agreement while mouth is open* ...Yep.
Thank you for that link Bingowings, very much. I'm only, what, 3 years late to find out about that ;)
Ady you sly devil you :D
brimforge said:
why do them CGI - get out into the yard and catch some bugs and put em on film ;-)
Lol.
Yeah the bugs idea of course shouldn't be at the top of the to-do list, but hopefully it's worthwhile enough for Ady to give it a try some time.
That is a brilliant idea Matticon, to add a few bugs occasionally flying around the lantern that's charging R2.
I think that's the best approach too, to mainly add fly-sized (or smaller) bugs flying quickly in and out of shots (and most of the time out of focus). You wouldn't be able to see them too clearly, but that's the idea. It should be randomly and also sparingly when you see them, so that it'd feel natural enough and not be distracting from any scene.
Because of their such small size, they wouldn't have to be sophisticated looking - your eyes would/should only see them as black dots, at least for the daytime shots; maybe in the darker shots, some could have a subtle neon-green glow (sort of like fire flies)?
It'd also be nice to occasionally see some creepy insects around on the ground too, but these might be best mainly in the darker areas, namely the cave sequence.
Anyhow, if attempted, these subtle additions would certainly add more "outdoor realism" to this wild, swampy environment.
Edit:
Matticon's, aalenfae's, and Bingowing's last posts beat me to the point about the bugs only needing to be indiscernible dots.
Ady is still set on killing off Lando? I understand why he wants to do it, but I was hopeful he'd reconsider :( Something as controversial as this, may it be possible to then have two versions? Lol, the "Lando dies version" and the "Lando lives version" XD (or seamless branching?) I for one am looking forward to Episode VII, and I would love to be able to watch Revisited 1-6 and then 7-9 together with minimal contradictions (I can handle the differences in 1-3, but obviously a main character dying in 6 and then reappearing in 7 is a big one).
Looking at those pics... I have to agree now that the puppet version does look better. I think the SE Wampa looked better on film than that pic portrays, but that puppet Wampa in that first pic does look far better and scarier, even more than it did on film... that thing actually looks like it was real and alive, as if someone hunted it and put it on display.
I try to forget about those "ol' sad eyes" and "deleted scenes" Wampas, lol.
Good call on keeping the puppet version, Ady. Are you thinking about adding more prominent tusks on the sides of its head or leaving them off?
It'd make sense that he'd base it on the original puppet, since that was the first and original view on it. But I really did like what the SE did by giving it a (seemingly) more burly body and face with tusks. Perhaps he might do a hybrid between the two.
Well this response might be a little late, meant to get it in sooner but had computer issues, but here's my thoughts on these.
Ronster said:
1. Make it so storm troopers are no longer mute. There is only one line of Storm trooper dialogue in ESB give them there cool sounding voices back and make it more like ANH and ROTJ
It all depends on what is said and where it's said. I can't think of a scene with them where I feel they'd need to say or respond with something, but maybe. It would need to feel seamless, or not at all.
2. When Vader and Veers have a hologram conversation. Add the sound of the Hologram shutting off sound after the conversation ends before "prepare to target the main generator".
First of all, you're combining two separate occasions when we're viewing inside here. We don't need an audible sound effect of it turning off though, because this scene is already over at the time when it would have logically turned off.
3. Add a few Blast hit sounds while Han and Chewie try to fix the hyperdrive during the asteroid chase It would also clarify the difference in sound when they get hit by an Asteroid and when Han says "That was'nt a Laser blast" while keeping continuity that they are still being chased
Maybe.
4. Enhance Dagobah's ambient forest / swamp sound effects there is quite a few quiet moments where it could sound more "Alive" yet only subtle non intrusive and not interfering with dialogue additions.
Wouldn't hurt in some scenes, but like you said they'd need to be subtle. On this matter, I think it'd be fine to also see some tiny beetle-sized insects inserted subtly on the ground/logs or flying in some shots.
5. Vaders Light sabre striking the floor when he swings and misses Luke in carbon freezing chamber
There's already a sound. The question is if it needs to be changed or if it stays the same. I'm fine either way if Ady wants to edit this sound or not. For sure though, seeing some sparks, or at least a little flash, would be good.
6. Special Edition Slave 1 Engine sound effect rather than Theatrical (not on list)
In the theatrical during the garbage scene, it was only a single long-view shot of Slave 1 and all we heard from it was its engine firing up and continuing as it was heading out of the garbage. Since Ady is keeping the SE footage (modified), yes it would be great for it to keep the SE engine sound. As for when Slave 1 leaves Cloud City, to my knowledge that sound was never changed (which essentially sounds like the PT/SE engine anyway) and so I'd like that kept as is.
7. In cloud city when Lobot walks up the stairs past Lando and co his head band flashes but there is no activate sound. Before the trap is sprung this sound could be heard again when chewie looks over his shoulder to convey lobot double backed to spring the trap.
No. It would be too distracting because at this part we should be focused on what Lando is saying and we shouldn't have any suspicion of anything awry yet (at least not before Chewie looks over his shoulder, who more likely only senses something is wrong. By the time our brain is processing a suspicion, it's already too late and the doors are opening with Vader right there).
8.Add distant sound of tie fighters while luke is hanging under cloud city but not on any scenes with dialogue only when he is looking around.
No. Even for distant sounds, they wouldn't be close enough where he's at, if they were at Cloud City yet. It would also distract from the scene if they were.
9. The device leia is trying to turn and lock into place before Han snogs her seems to have the catch the other side of the set wall while the boom mic was in the area with the actors. The noise of the equipment sounds hollow when trying to be locked in suggest to make a more fuller sounding metal hit sound on the attempts to lock it in. And a click when it does lock in to place and Leia hurts her finger.
Not a bad idea, even if I never thought it sounded off.
10. Remove Wampa groan sounds so that Luke wakes up naturally upside down. Sasquatch and yeti are always shown to be quiet creatures and the Wampa is based off of these mysterious probably hoax animals yet the characteristics match when he attacks Luke on the taun taun but once we are in the cave the Wampa cannot stop constantly yelling and wailing for no apparent reason. They are meant to be stealthy in nature but I think the Wampa yelling in pain when hit by a light sabre is a worthy groan sound here and perhaps when he emerges but otherwise think he should be muted to improve the scene.
No. Even though it could be an interesting take on this scene to remove the background roaring altogether, it shouldn't be in Revisited (perhaps for another edit though). It should be left as it was originally with the roaring, up until the part when Luke cuts off its arm (where I'm hopeful with Ady's new Wampa, at the end we'll get a satisfying full-view glimpse (like in the SE) of the Wampa roaring in pain.
Btw, with Ady's new Wampa costume, I wonder if he'll decide to design it's head/body based on the SE edition or like the hand-puppet (original) version. Between the two, imho, the SE version looks better and more fierce.