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sonofjones said:

Welcome back to ESB:R forum, where one viewer has presented a question: About how long would after the release of ESB:R can we expect to see forums for ROTJ:R, PT:R and ANH:R HD? Also, since they are being done at once, will they all be combined into a single forum, or will each film have it's own forum?

I am not positive, but I believe I remember Ady saying somewhere he hopes to take a year off from anything Revisited after ESB:R. Whenever he is ready, I'm guessing he will create individual threads for each episode.

ESB:R is nearing 30,000 likes on Facebook, a huge jump from 27,000 on Jan 29th :)

Ady is trying to get ESB:R to us soon, but if it takes him as long as May 4th or even May 21st to complete it, I have no problems waiting until then too :)

@BlueCardinal, Yeah, I'm thinking it may be more work than benefit in this case too, but we'll see.

@timdiggerm, I don't think we'd see "cold breaths" on Yavin IV, so are you suggesting we should be able to see how chilly it is by just looking at Lea's sheer gown? XD

I remember seeing that clip of Han and Lea talking where Ady was experimenting and added "breaths". I thought it looked pretty good, almost perfect.

No doubt it would require a whole lot of work adding this subtle detail to almost all of the Hoth scenes (much more than if he decides to add some extra bug-life on Dagobah, in only a few outdoor scenes), but if it could be done convincingly (key word), it would certainly go a long way in adding realism to these locations (making them less like sets). It is up to Ady if it's worth it :)

Bingowings said:

Any-hoo any chance of getting something Star Wars Revisited related for Christmas? 

Perhaps the "asteroid canyon sequence" and maybe even the new "Wampa sequence" will be completed by then.

As much as I was looking forward to the possibility of the film being completed by the end of 2013, I would not be the least bit disappointed if Ady needs more time to properly take care of every last detail and carries it on to early 2014 :)

I'm imagining a shield generator sitting there and the sand recolored to look like snow... that would indeed be a perfect explosion for the shield generator!

Wouldn't it be possible to contact that fellow in the vid and ask for his permission to use his video as a source? (and add his name to the credits for supplying the explosion)

If he has any love for SW and/or the work Ady is accomplishing, I'd imagine he would be more than happy with that (I know I would be perfectly fine with it if I were he) - this way it helps save time and, whenever possible, it's just always best to do practical effects ;)

I'm sure Ady is still working some more on the visuals of this clip, but I just wanted to put on my "critique goggles" and be helpful in finding anything that's worth mentioning and possibly corrected/edited (in case any of these flew under the radar).

Paden said:

One minor thing I noticed in the latest clip released, is that the red graphics you've been adding to the snow speeders control console are missing from a few frames just after Dak is killed (~23").

Yep, you're right.

Monroville said:

should Wedge's snow speeder cast a shadow at 1:28 when he's circling around the legs in the high overhead shot?

You're right too, its shadow should be seen in there. It's shadow is also missing between 1:32 - 1:33 (you'd at least notice it on the AT-AT's legs).

Also the shadow being cast by the snowspeeder is noticeably off between 1:24 - 1:25 when comparing it to the AT-AT's shadow (it's as if the light source is different between these two objects).

I believe the white cores are missing in the lasers at 0:42 (is it because what's seen outside the AT-AT's window will be changed?) and also between 0:58 - 1:00. All of the other lasers look perfect that I can tell.

At 1:45, the AT-AT's back leg (the far right one) has an attachment on the foot that appears to be off and then it suddenly "jumps" to its correct location between frames.

The bend in the AT-AT's legs as its tripping (more noticeably it's rear legs) are different at 1:47 than they are in the subsequent side-view shot. Not sure if it's fixable, but still worth mentioning.

The mountains in the background to the left of the fallen AT-AT (at 1:55) I believe are different than they were previously (at 1:50 for example). I noticed that other areas in several of the backgrounds were fixed though.

I think that is all that's worth mentioning - I hope this was helpful :)

I still can't get over how much I loved all of the little details that were added, no matter how minor, such as the snow being kicked up from the blasts as the speeders are beginning to shoot at the fallen AT-AT ;)

Awesome video clip Ady, it's amazing how well it's taking shape, thank you! Besides some continuity error fixes, I enjoyed seeing a few additional details that worked to 'enhance' the action, such as some extra snowspeeders flying/crashing in some shots. Needless to say, the AT-STs looked great :) Everything with and around Vader's hologram appeared perfect to me too.

On the audio side of things (when it comes time for working on that more later), it did make perfect sense to change Luke's original "Steady Rogue TWO" to be "THREE" instead, but I'm agreeing with Tack, will his tone on the word "THREE" be edited so it can sound more similar to how he said "TWO" originally? As it is, it doesn't quite fit in, but almost.

Something else that stands out to me as a continuity error is the incorrect engine hum of Wedge's snowspeeder at the instant when you hear Luke say over the radio "I'll cover for you". There it's Luke's lower-pitched engine hum when instead it should be Wedge's higher-pitched engine hum. Just wanted to mention it so it could be checked out :) Btw, I liked the new background better at this part too, but I wonder if the replaced background could possibly be salvaged (so it's not totally lost) and be used somewhere else, like when the soldiers are fleeing the AT-ATs towards the end?

Thank you again Ady :)

Woah, the asteroid canyon is looking great Ady!

muddyknees2000 said:

If the were a way to change the line to "PREPARE my shuttle".....then no painting out would be required at all. Just a thought.

Hmm, not a bad idea. I'd think someone could manage to insert and edit his word "Prepare" from the SE dialogue (which I really disliked btw) so its tone could match how "Bring" sounded originally... then yes it'd work to have his shuttle already waiting there. I'm open to your suggestion.

Edit: @brash_stryker, yep, I'm thinking "READY my shuttle" might sound better too.

Well, I know this topic has been talked about a lot before, but I'll bite, only because I didn't have the chance to discuss it those times long ago :)

I disliked the SE addition of the shuttle leaving Bespin and especially hated that recycled shot from ROTJ of it landing, for the same obvious reasons that anyone else disliked those shots.

But I must admit, that particular SE long-view shot of Vader and co. walking on the platform didn't bother me, for a few reasons:

The side-view shot was done 'artistically' in that way, so for that, it visually looked good to me (Ady could do touch-ups wherever needed).

The music cue and chase sequence were not interrupted by this short addition, since it was placed immediately after Vader's dialogue - in fact, I'd argue that it added slightly more 'heft' to that otherwise short clip of Vader (unlike the other SE clips where they were intrusive where they were placed and threw off everything, so these must definitely be left out).

Lastly, it showed a good first reveal of Vader's shuttle. This is the main reason why I liked this particular SE clip, we see a good proper first view of his shuttle, instead of always inferring how Vader gets around. I think it is deserving to actually see his shuttle just once in ESB (prior to ROTJ), and here seems to be the only proper place to show it.

There has to be one significant change to this shot though. Instead of showing Vader's shuttle sitting there already waiting, his shuttle must be seen just starting to land and touching down on the platform. This is the only way I could see this clip working. It should be obvious that there is a time lapse between his "Bring my shuttle" line and the footage of him walking the landing platform, but at least this way it wouldn't seemingly contradict his previous demand.

At the very least, this was fun to finally lay out my 2 cents on this topic :)

timdiggerm said:

.Mac. said:

For anyone who'd like to see some original blooper clips from Star Wars:

http://now.msn.com/star-wars-blooper-reel-is-full-of-mistakes-from-the-original-movie?ocid=ansnow11

They all had me laughing, such great fun XD

Maybe Ady would be interested in including this as a bonus feature for the ANH:R HD? ;)

Do you even look at the rest of the forum?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Blooper-Reel/topic/16031/

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Blooper-Reel/topic/16036/

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-of-Return-of-the-Jedi-the-book-Thread/post/666807/#TopicPost666807

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Something-that-might-interest-folks-here-ROTJ-Editdroid-Laserdisc-Footage/post/667555/#TopicPost667555

Obviously I haven't been lately :) Thanks for those links.

For anyone who'd like to see some original blooper clips from Star Wars:

http://now.msn.com/star-wars-blooper-reel-is-full-of-mistakes-from-the-original-movie?ocid=ansnow11

They all had me laughing, such great fun XD

Maybe Ady would be interested in including this as a bonus feature for the ANH:R HD? ;)

Just found out about that EditDroid 1984 Demo laserdisc from the Revisited Facebook page. What's the latest news on this, did Ady get it?

Tobar said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I don't think he is saying anything he's just doing that pre speech jaw thing...

Precisely.

*Nods head in agreement while mouth is open* ...Yep.

^^ These are the answers you are looking for

Thank you for that link Bingowings, very much. I'm only, what, 3 years late to find out about that ;)

Ady you sly devil you :D

brimforge said:

why do them CGI - get out into the yard and catch some bugs and put em on film ;-)

Lol.

Yeah the bugs idea of course shouldn't be at the top of the to-do list, but hopefully it's worthwhile enough for Ady to give it a try some time. 

That is a brilliant idea Matticon, to add a few bugs occasionally flying around the lantern that's charging R2.

I think that's the best approach too, to mainly add fly-sized (or smaller) bugs flying quickly in and out of shots (and most of the time out of focus). You wouldn't be able to see them too clearly, but that's the idea. It should be randomly and also sparingly when you see them, so that it'd feel natural enough and not be distracting from any scene.

Because of their such small size, they wouldn't have to be sophisticated looking - your eyes would/should only see them as black dots, at least for the daytime shots; maybe in the darker shots, some could have a subtle neon-green glow (sort of like fire flies)?

It'd also be nice to occasionally see some creepy insects around on the ground too, but these might be best mainly in the darker areas, namely the cave sequence.

Anyhow, if attempted, these subtle additions would certainly add more "outdoor realism" to this wild, swampy environment.

Edit:

Matticon's, aalenfae's, and Bingowing's last posts beat me to the point about the bugs only needing to be indiscernible dots.

Ady is still set on killing off Lando? I understand why he wants to do it, but I was hopeful he'd reconsider :( Something as controversial as this, may it be possible to then have two versions? Lol, the "Lando dies version" and the "Lando lives version" XD (or seamless branching?) I for one am looking forward to Episode VII, and I would love to be able to watch Revisited 1-6 and then 7-9 together with minimal contradictions (I can handle the differences in 1-3, but obviously a main character dying in 6 and then reappearing in 7 is a big one).

Looking at those pics... I have to agree now that the puppet version does look better. I think the SE Wampa looked better on film than that pic portrays, but that puppet Wampa in that first pic does look far better and scarier, even more than it did on film... that thing actually looks like it was real and alive, as if someone hunted it and put it on display.

I try to forget about those "ol' sad eyes" and "deleted scenes" Wampas, lol.

Good call on keeping the puppet version, Ady. Are you thinking about adding more prominent tusks on the sides of its head or leaving them off?

It'd make sense that he'd base it on the original puppet, since that was the first and original view on it. But I really did like what the SE did by giving it a (seemingly) more burly body and face with tusks. Perhaps he might do a hybrid between the two.

Well this response might be a little late, meant to get it in sooner but had computer issues, but here's my thoughts on these.

Ronster said:

1. Make it so storm troopers are no longer mute. There is only one line of Storm trooper dialogue in ESB give them there cool sounding voices back and make it more like ANH and ROTJ

It all depends on what is said and where it's said. I can't think of a scene with them where I feel they'd need to say or respond with something, but maybe. It would need to feel seamless, or not at all.

2. When Vader and Veers have a hologram conversation. Add the sound of the Hologram shutting off sound after the conversation ends before "prepare to target the main generator".

First of all, you're combining two separate occasions when we're viewing inside here. We don't need an audible sound effect of it turning off though, because this scene is already over at the time when it would have logically turned off.

3. Add a few Blast hit sounds while Han and Chewie try to fix the hyperdrive during the asteroid chase It would also clarify the difference in sound when they get hit by an Asteroid and when Han says "That was'nt a Laser blast" while keeping continuity that they are still being chased

Maybe.

4. Enhance Dagobah's ambient forest / swamp sound effects there is quite a few quiet moments where it could sound more "Alive" yet only subtle non intrusive and not interfering with dialogue additions.

Wouldn't hurt in some scenes, but like you said they'd need to be subtle. On this matter, I think it'd be fine to also see some tiny beetle-sized insects inserted subtly on the ground/logs or flying in some shots.

5. Vaders Light sabre striking the floor when he swings and misses Luke in carbon freezing chamber

There's already a sound. The question is if it needs to be changed or if it stays the same. I'm fine either way if Ady wants to edit this sound or not. For sure though, seeing some sparks, or at least a little flash, would be good.

6. Special Edition Slave 1 Engine sound effect rather than Theatrical (not on list)

In the theatrical during the garbage scene, it was only a single long-view shot of Slave 1 and all we heard from it was its engine firing up and continuing as it was heading out of the garbage. Since Ady is keeping the SE footage (modified), yes it would be great for it to keep the SE engine sound. As for when Slave 1 leaves Cloud City, to my knowledge that sound was never changed (which essentially sounds like the PT/SE engine anyway) and so I'd like that kept as is.

7. In cloud city when Lobot walks up the stairs past Lando and co his head band flashes but there is no activate sound. Before the trap is sprung this sound could be heard again when chewie looks over his shoulder to convey lobot double backed to spring the trap.

No. It would be too distracting because at this part we should be focused on what Lando is saying and we shouldn't have any suspicion of anything awry yet (at least not before Chewie looks over his shoulder, who more likely only senses something is wrong. By the time our brain is processing a suspicion, it's already too late and the doors are opening with Vader right there).

8.Add distant sound of tie fighters while luke is hanging under cloud city but not on any scenes with dialogue only when he is looking around.

No. Even for distant sounds, they wouldn't be close enough where he's at, if they were at Cloud City yet. It would also distract from the scene if they were.

9. The device leia is trying to turn and lock into place before Han snogs her seems to have the catch the other side of the set wall while the boom mic was in the area with the actors. The noise of the equipment sounds hollow when trying to be locked in suggest to make a more fuller sounding metal hit sound on the attempts to lock it in. And a click when it does lock in to place and Leia hurts her finger.

Not a bad idea, even if I never thought it sounded off.

10. Remove Wampa groan sounds so that Luke wakes up naturally upside down. Sasquatch and yeti are always shown to be quiet creatures and the Wampa is based off of these mysterious probably hoax animals yet the characteristics match when he attacks Luke on the taun taun but once we are in the cave the Wampa cannot stop constantly yelling and wailing for no apparent reason. They are meant to be stealthy in nature but I think the Wampa yelling in pain when hit by a light sabre is a worthy groan sound here and perhaps when he emerges but otherwise think he should be muted to improve the scene.

No. Even though it could be an interesting take on this scene to remove the background roaring altogether, it shouldn't be in Revisited (perhaps for another edit though). It should be left as it was originally with the roaring, up until the part when Luke cuts off its arm (where I'm hopeful with Ady's new Wampa, at the end we'll get a satisfying full-view glimpse (like in the SE) of the Wampa roaring in pain.

Btw, with Ady's new Wampa costume, I wonder if he'll decide to design it's head/body based on the SE edition or like the hand-puppet (original) version. Between the two, imho, the SE version looks better and more fierce.

aalenfae said:

I'm glad to hear that Ady will be taking out the Battle of the Heroes music from ANH. The main problem was that it doesn't in any way fit the musical style of ANH. However, I wouldn't mind that duel to be scored in SOME way. But that's just personal preference.

But I'd say that the biggest issue with William's music in the Prequels isn't that it's forgettable. The actual cues of the PT are probably more memorable to some degree. The Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars come to mind. The songs are very memorable. The problem is that those cues aren't inextricably LINKED with memorable moments. They're just songs pasted into the movie because they need to be there. That's the beauty of the OT, and especially the ESB score. The visuals and the music are so perfectly intertwined because they were designed for one another. You can listen to it and imagine every beat of the film. Every cut, every expression. You can't listen to the PT scores and experience the same thing, because William's music was cut up and pasted in to fit the editing. It was in no way the natural, intertwined score that we heard in the OT.

Williams is no worse a composer now than he was then. 

Agreed with every word.

Also, considering that the OT is much more likable with higher re-watch value, the music will of course be more memorable in that way.

As for the PT, I really liked the music in there (although I wish each film had more of its own music, like in the OT, rather than borrowing and relying on each other), but if the films themselves aren't that memorable, of course the music will follow the same fate.

Ronster said:

on the flip side of this I really like the probe droid score you re-instated with the video you did..

I think this scene is actually best without any music, as it is now - I'm glad Ady agrees. Maybe, not sure yet, but maybe this piece you speak of could be used in the right place somewhere in the PT.

AntcuFaalb said:

DominicCobb said:

HotRod said:

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Agreed.

Indeed.

indubitably

Intriguing... not sure Ady would go for it though :P

Ronster said:
I think there is nothing wrong with the idea but ideally we should have only seen a small number of laser blasts like 3 at the begining before the music kicked in.

It wasn't a bad idea, but it wasn't something I felt was missing. Here's why: To me, the asteroids replace the lasers as a new threat to our heroes (as well as to the Ties) and the music signifies this new danger perfectly.

When the asteroids become less of an obstacle and threat for everyone, then the chase goes back to normal with the remaining two Ties firing again.

If Ady is open to the idea though, and manages to seamlessly fit in a couple extra blasts in, I could live with it. What brimforge said is why I'd be fine with it, where the Ties who do keep firing a few extra shots are the same two who die earlier on. But still, it's fine as it is now.

Things I for sure wouldn't want to see changed in this sequence that I've read about are: Adding more Ties to the chase and removing that collision of the small asteroid into the larger one (just after "Never tell me the odds.").

On a near-related topic, has Ady decided what he'd like to do about the Mynocks, so when they are flying in the cave they look less like puppets waving around by someone off-screen?

+1 to asterisk8

brimforge said:

IN the asteroid field, I wouldn't change anything, as I have played many space simulators, and trying to NOT getting hit by a rock and to successfully target an enemy is nearly impossible - at least if you aren't a Jedi ;-)

Well, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 : 1 ;) And I agree, the crazy imperial pilots must have been too focused on surviving the chase than concerning themselves with shooting.

muddyknees2000 said:

.Mac. said:

@muddy, That would indeed be a great way to end ROTJ. That reminds me of aalenfae's amazing job depicting an alternative way for seeing Anakin's ghost http://vimeo.com/36883170 It looks great and it's effectively emotional seeing his ghost appear amongst the flames in that way, imo (even if it was Hayden used). It'd be interesting to see this concept in an edit, but just not sure if it'd be right for Revisited.

Wow.....aalenfae....went through a bunch of your videos. You seem to really understand what would make the PT better. You've made some very subtle changes that make a world of difference. Very impressive.

aalenfae certainly has all sorts of clever ideas for improving or eliminating much of the bad clutter in the PT, helping the PT tie in better with the established OT. I'd hope to see more of his ideas and edited clips in the future. He would be a great asset [for the PT:Revisited] - Can it be done??