Lord Haseo

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I would prefer Rey got her leg chopped off or her saber destroyed. Finn’s injury in TFA was original for the films and it’s sad that new types of lightsaber injuries might not be crossing over into TLJ.

NeverarGreat said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Where are my Random Pictures and Gifs? Three pages of basically no actual images.

A thread was proposed, written, and forgotten.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Zero-or-Hero-A-Discussion-about-Objectivism-vs-Subjectivism/id/55592

I’m tempted to push the conversation forward there but I’m not sure it’s worth it since the heat of the moment has passed.

oojason said:

Darth Id said:

oojason said:

^ That’s likely someone’s mum,

Yeah, she probably spawned some cretin worse than she.

someone’s wife,

You mean the guy that helped conceive her cretinous, gluttonous, waste-of-space spawn?

someone’s daughter,

Some pile of rotting flesh, who’s more tolerable dead than alive. Actually, two of those.

someone’s neighbour,

Believe me, her neighbors wish she was dead more than Haseo does!

someone’s colleague,

Do all welfare parasites qualify as “colleagues” of each other? Then I’m guessing not a “colleague.”

someone’s friend,

Poor bastard probably wishes he were dead…

someone…

Nope. Nobody.

Is that it? I thought you were meant to be the OT forum troll?, and that’s all you can come up with? It’s not even worthy of a decent retort.

Haseo at least came up with his own inferred and deliberate misinterpretation of what I was saying (whilst ignoring the other main points - as he has so far demonstrated he can’t seemingly think before hitting the keyboard and shifting from ‘I hope she’s dead’ onto ‘bending laws of reality’ - and would like to steer the conversation further away from his original post) - but your reply, just meh…

You said I was backtracked… now provide the sentence prior to you saying that (or even after for shits and giggles) of me somehow pivoting on any of my points. If you can’t substantiate your claims then we have nothing else to discuss.

And I ignored the sentimental stuff for a reason.

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:
With enough time we can have the technology to bend the laws of reality to our whim. If humanity were more ‘focused’ this would come to fruition in less time. Could be thousands of years, could be millions. That part is pointless to speculate.

That won’t happen, though. It’s a fantasy.

And how many of humanity’s achievements were labeled fantasy that prior to those breakthroughs happening?

Big difference between going to someone in ancient Rome and telling them “in the future; people can listen to music anywhere through these mini music-boxes that go in your ear,” and saying that humans will be able to ‘bend reality’ (which doesn’t even mean anything). And even if it was possible (it isn’t), it would have to happen so far in the future that humanity very likely won’t ever get to that point before going extinct.

What I mean by “bending reality” is shit like time travel, making wormholes, making black holes, messing with dark matter, possibly emulating the big bang etc. Having stated that a better example would be the Apollo 11 mission in my opinion. There must have been tons of people during those days and throughout history who thought going to the Moon is like the stuff I mentioned in the other sentence. Different frames of reference and whatnot.

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:
With enough time we can have the technology to bend the laws of reality to our whim. If humanity were more ‘focused’ this would come to fruition in less time. Could be thousands of years, could be millions. That part is pointless to speculate.

That won’t happen, though. It’s a fantasy.

And how many of humanity’s achievements were labeled fantasy that prior to those breakthroughs happening?

With enough minds singularly focused on the progression of humanity we could eventually have technology that will allow us to have a potentially limitless influence on the Cosmos. All the contributions of those people would have meant something in the end thus their lives would have meant something. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about that.

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yhwx said:

Honestly, Haseo, there’s nothing I can debate about your world view. I just find it kind of depressing. I wouldn’t adopt, but I’m not you.

I understand completely. Thank you for your contributions to the discussion; you gave me a couple things to consider.

darth_ender said:

Lord Haseo said:

darth_ender said:

Lord Haseo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Maybe she helped or encouraged someone else at a key moment in their life. Maybe she saved an abandoned cat. Even a small contribution is valuable.

As it pertains to the lives of everyday people? Yes it is. As it pertains to the Universe? Absolutely not.

Tell me, who has ever lived on this planet that has ever contributed anything to the Universe?

Unless we are being monitored by some other intelligent life in the Cosmos (or they stumbled onto something of our in space) and that effect ripples until an event of great importance happens we haven’t…ergo all of our lives are meaningless.

Everything will one day come to an end: humanity, the earth, the planets and stars…all will become lifeless until another Big Bang cycle hopefully produces another set of miniscule planets that manage to develop life. You realize that no human has ever done more than influence other humans who live on this planet. It is that influence that has given humanity meaning. If we are an influence for good, then our lives have been worthwhile. If you cannot believe that, then humanity is nothing more than a biological blip in a virtually 100% lifeless, meaningless universe.

Exactly. You seem repulsed at the idea.

I’m repulsed by the idea that, no matter your views on the afterlife, your view of the here-and-now includes so little compassion as to feel no remorse at wishing someone who repulses you dead. Such a negative outlook on your fellow humans is really far more damning than publicly drinking from ketchup bottles.

It’s not just the act, it’s the reason she did it. The reason she did it ties into my overall look humanity and the universe.

Jeebus said:

Why do exemplary people matter, then? Don’t they matter just as little as everyone else?

With enough time we can have the technology to bend the laws of reality to our whim. If humanity were more ‘focused’ this would come to fruition in less time. Could be thousands of years, could be millions. That part is pointless to speculate.

darth_ender said:

Lord Haseo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Maybe she helped or encouraged someone else at a key moment in their life. Maybe she saved an abandoned cat. Even a small contribution is valuable.

As it pertains to the lives of everyday people? Yes it is. As it pertains to the Universe? Absolutely not.

Tell me, who has ever lived on this planet that has ever contributed anything to the Universe?

Unless we are being monitored by some other intelligent life in the Cosmos (or they stumbled onto something of our in space) and that effect ripples until an event of great importance happens we haven’t…ergo all of our lives are meaningless.

Everything will one day come to an end: humanity, the earth, the planets and stars…all will become lifeless until another Big Bang cycle hopefully produces another set of miniscule planets that manage to develop life. You realize that no human has ever done more than influence other humans who live on this planet. It is that influence that has given humanity meaning. If we are an influence for good, then our lives have been worthwhile. If you cannot believe that, then humanity is nothing more than a biological blip in a virtually 100% lifeless, meaningless universe.

Exactly. You seem repulsed at the idea.

TV’s Frink said:

The Universe is severely overrated.

And Earth is underrated?

one69chev said:

People are often more than the sum total of the things they have accomplished in their lives.

That doesn’t mean anything if they can’t manifest that into the world in some tangible way.

Does that mean that people who are unable to ‘manifest’ that ‘something’ are not qualified to live?

I do not think they should have their lives taken from them but they are unworthy of the life they have been given. I’m haunted at the thought of the thousands of people that could have shaped humanity in inconceivable ways had they been born and billions that actually existed and either squandered their talents to settle for the mundane or were destined for mediocrity due to shitty genes and toxic temperaments/mindsets they couldn’t shake off.

Should the handicapped be exterminated?

If I were in charge I would leave that up to the parents.

The elderly?

No, but I think the elderly people who didn’t save up enough funds to be self-sufficient when they retired should receive no assistance from the Government. You literally have decades to prepare for it and there are many better ways that money can be spent. When I think about this dilemma a kid with cancer trumps the elderly in the end. I can see how you could disagree with me though.

I also don’t believe in food stamps in general.

This way of thinking can be dangerous and living in Eastern Europe, I am reminded of a time when a lot of people thought that way. You are certainly entitled to your opinions but I would submit that human life has value even if said human is unable to leave their mark on the world in any significant way.

I hope my previous statement negates that comparison in your mind.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Maybe she helped or encouraged someone else at a key moment in their life. Maybe she saved an abandoned cat. Even a small contribution is valuable.

As it pertains to the lives of everyday people? Yes it is. As it pertains to the Universe? Absolutely not.

NeverarGreat said:

I was making a statement about the Randian leanings of Zack Snyder.
You already said that you don’t identify with Snyder’s Superman, and I wasn’t trying to imply that.

My apologies.

This image of Superman is merely an example of the ‘few great men’ who lead humanity into new ages of capitalist prosperity despite the (according to Rand) laziness and common meanness of the vast sea of humanity.

Given all his bouts with Darkseid and other beings of his nature I would say Superman is pretty important on a Cosmic level. The people reaching for him mean nothing when when we’re talking about events of that magnitude.

NeverarGreat said:

Lord Haseo said:

NeverarGreat said:

I dunno, you seem to also be able to read and write, something that most people throughout history were unable to achieve.

A more substantial thing to take into account is the accolades these people. Billions dead yet hardly of them brought about the world we live in now in any discernible way. Currently there are billions alive yet only a small fraction of them will propel humanity forward.

It’s going to be really weird when machines start replacing all the people working menial jobs.

Randian Objectivism is usually a stone’s throw from total nihilism.

I’m not exactly one for labels but I believe only the lives of exemplary people truly matter and in general our particular corner of the universe doesn’t matter due to the size of the universe. I haven’t dedicated much time to find a label that expresses my general viewpoints.

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NeverarGreat said:
ENTIRELY RANDM PICTURE:

If I’m supposed to be Superman in that photo you don’t understand where I’m coming from and you never will.

darth_ender said:

Thank goodness you don’t have to rely on religion to define your upstanding moral worldview, Lord Haseo. You obviously came to such enlightened conclusions about people all your own.

Nope, just simple observation of the Human condition.

one69chev said:

Lord Haseo said:

one69chev said:

Being repulsed by someone and/or wanting that person to never draw breath, to laugh or smile, to exist is taking it to a whole other level. Assessing someone’s worth by their appearance is never a good thing.

It’s not her appearance I’m chastising; it’s her behavior that disgusts me. If she’s doing this type of shit in public what type of stuff if she doing in private? Does she wipe adequately? I very much doubt it.

I understand and I can’t say that I on some level I find her behavior disgusting as well, but using her love of Heinz as a reason to negate her life is a bit extreme. And as to whether or not she has the ability to clean her caboose properly, well let’s just hope and pray that none of us are ever in a position to find out first hand.

I would agree on the potency of my initial post had it not been for my personal experience with people like that. Delving into these people and trying to see if they had some type of inherent value beyond pleasantries and spewing common knowledge about the most basic of talking points has only led me to my current viewpoint.

People are often more than the sum total of the things they have accomplished in their lives.

That doesn’t mean anything if they can’t manifest that into the world in some tangible way.

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo - ‘I hope she’s dead’

later followed by ‘No one like that adds anything to society nor the relationships they have cultivated. I don’t think it’s harsh at all when you think about it in that way.’

^ That’s likely someone’s mum, someone’s wife, someone’s daughter, someone’s neighbour, someone’s colleague, someone’s friend, someone…

Seems you don’t think much at all, certainly not before posting that hate-filled line of yours, and not during your backtracking and excuses/‘reasoning’ since.

Clarification =/= backtracking

The closest I ever came to that is admitting that I may be wrong 1/10 of the time when chastising people who demonstrate to the world they don’t care about life. But I guess that and doing a full on reversal (saying she deserves to live, isn’t disgusting, most people’s lives matter etc.) are the same thing to you.

2017…what a time to be alive.

This ain’t the hill you want to die on, Haseo.

I don’t think there will be a suitable hill for quite some time but let’s see how this Trump shit plays out.

Not sure if you missed the joke or added a new joke on.

I thought a “hill” was a metaphor for a year…this year being 2017. My bad.

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo - ‘I hope she’s dead’

later followed by ‘No one like that adds anything to society nor the relationships they have cultivated. I don’t think it’s harsh at all when you think about it in that way.’

^ That’s likely someone’s mum, someone’s wife, someone’s daughter, someone’s neighbour, someone’s colleague, someone’s friend, someone…

Seems you don’t think much at all, certainly not before posting that hate-filled line of yours, and not during your backtracking and excuses/‘reasoning’ since.

Clarification =/= backtracking

The closest I ever came to that is admitting that I may be wrong 1/10 of the time when chastising people who demonstrate to the world they don’t care about life. But I guess that and doing a full on reversal (saying she deserves to live, isn’t disgusting, most people’s lives matter etc.) are the same thing to you.

2017…what a time to be alive.

This ain’t the hill you want to die on, Haseo.

I don’t think there will be a suitable hill for quite some time but let’s see how this Trump shit plays out.

oojason said:

Lord Haseo - ‘I hope she’s dead’

later followed by ‘No one like that adds anything to society nor the relationships they have cultivated. I don’t think it’s harsh at all when you think about it in that way.’

^ That’s likely someone’s mum, someone’s wife, someone’s daughter, someone’s neighbour, someone’s colleague, someone’s friend, someone…

Seems you don’t think much at all, certainly not before posting that hate-filled line of yours, and not during your backtracking and excuses/‘reasoning’ since.

Clarification =/= backtracking

The closest I ever came to that is admitting that I may be wrong 1/10 of the time when chastising people who demonstrate to the world they don’t care about life. But I guess that and doing a full on reversal (saying she deserves to live, isn’t disgusting, most people’s lives matter etc.) are the same thing to you.

2017…what a time to be alive.

NeverarGreat said:

I dunno, you seem to also be able to read and write, something that most people throughout history were unable to achieve.

A more substantial thing to take into account is the accolades these people. Billions dead yet hardly of them brought about the world we live in now in any discernible way. Currently there are billions alive yet only a small fraction of them will propel humanity forward.

It’s going to be really weird when machines start replacing all the people working menial jobs.

yhwx said:

I still think you’re painting with too broad a brush, and your reduction of that human being’s life still irks me. But you seem like a nice guy.

Given that most people go through life without one achievement of note I don’t hold intelligent life in the high regard most people do.

That’s why I hate my current existence. Working construction is the most notable thing I have achieved thus far and most of my social interactions are completely devoid of exchanges of meaningful information. How I see it, my life is of no consequence.