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Finally finished Breaking Bad. I meandered my way through the first 3 seasons, but once I got halfway into the 4th, I had to finish it as soon as I could. Great show, the last season especially. I feel empty now.
Not my absolute favorite show but Season 5 makes every other final season I’ve seen seem like utter crap in comparison. Even The Wire’s.
Good. Since 2/3 of the other main female characters were sexualized it would be refreshing to see one that doesn’t get the same treatment. She can still have a romance but keep her attire PG.
Not exactly the same indeed. Context and intent make a huge difference 😉
Maybe his species just has yellow eyes, like cats.
He’s human
Interesting theory.
Near humans didn’t come into existence until way the fuck after ROTJ so if we’re talking in the context of only the OT you would have to assume he’s human.
There’s nothing in any of the films that indicates that anyone is a human.
Well there is a cut line from STAR WARS in which Leia says something like “And you call yourselves human” or something like that.
I don’t know what this “way the fuck after ROTJ” is.
I can see why you would say that because for some time stopped after ROTJ.
Maybe his species just has yellow eyes, like cats.
He’s human
Interesting theory.
Near humans didn’t come into existence until way the fuck after ROTJ so if we’re talking in the context of only the OT you would have to assume he’s human.
If you only include the OT then he didn’t have a first or last name, so who’s to say he was even a human species. Probably a human-like species. He might have a tail under that robe.
That’s true but if Stat Wars only consisted of the OT I wouldn’t want take a look under the robes to find out.
Maybe his species just has yellow eyes, like cats.
He’s human but he’s so evil that his evilness can circumvent biology. He’s just that evil.
Maybe he’s a she, and maybe she’s a Changeling.
The same thing I said to MathUser applies. If The Emperor was a changing I would be baffled to believe he would ever show his true form. If I were a changling I would probably turn into a Ithorian most of the time.
Maybe his species just has yellow eyes, like cats.
He’s human but he’s so evil that his evilness can circumvent biology. He’s just that evil.
DominicCobb said:
Just means he knows an ability Vader does not.I wouldn’t even say “knows” as it implies it can be learnt. Emperor simply has an extremely rare given ability/potential that Vader does not. It is like getting an impossible mutation of an eye that allows eagle eye quality sight. Those who don’t have such mutation simply cannot have that kind of sight ability, not matter how hard they may try to “train” their eyes.
Yeah the Emperor was just born with the right kind midichloreans to use Force Lightning and Anakin wasn’t it’s a simple concept.
Yeah that seems a bit too biological which is the reason he doesn’t the fact Leia is Force Sensitive.
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A simpler reason is to assume that The Emperor is the evilest and bestest Sith to have ever existed and that’s why he can use Force Lightning and that’s why his eyes are yellow. He is that evil.
Ok, so you agree he might not be as powerful as the Emperor. Then why is it so hard to understand how he might not be able to do something that the Emperor can do as a result?
Because Darth Vader is a master of the Dark Side. Let’s say if Vader in the OT was as competent as Darth Maul, Kylo Ren or even the Inquisitors from Rebels I can understand why you would say that as they are nowhere near Sidious but the gap in power between Vader and Sidious isn’t that big to have certain abilities be completely alien to him. Higher proficiency maybe but not entire abilities.
It’s like saying I’m stronger than you but I shouldn’t be able to lift more weight than you.
It’s a little more complicated than that but I see what you’re trying to say.
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Nostalgia has to do with it in Dominic and Impscum’s case. Maybe not yours but theirs.
Nostalgia doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s a legitimate interpretation if you watch the OT films. In them, the force is a mystical energy. It’s a fantasy so it’s really not hard to understand why someone more powerful knows a certain move.
Like I said if Vader was shown to be of a different caliber in terms of his combative prowess I’d get that. He’s a master he should at least be able to use Force Lightning. He shouldn’t however be able to use it as well as Sidious.
Think even something like Kill Bill with the five point palm exploding heart thing. You can be a master and still not know everything.
That analogy doesn’t work because Pei Mei didn’t teach Bill because he found him unworthy of such a technique. Not because he physically unable to do it.
The problem is the PT made the force more rigid and narrow. Dooku = sith so he must have lightning. But it shouldn’t be a simple as that. And no it doesn’t fucking mean that the Emperor is an OP demi-god.
Bullshit, Maul didn’t use Force Lightning.
Just means he knows an ability Vader does not.
Not knowing an ability and not being able to do it are two different things.
I think it makes sense that Force users are taught certain Force Abilities but their application of said ability is minuscule and as they continue to train more their power with that ability will grow. I know that’s not exactly how it was in the OT and TFA where Luke was able to use telekinesis without any training in that ability, was able to pick up an X-Wing (IN THEORY) and Rey was able to use a mind trick without any training whatsoever that we know of but it makes the most sense. I don’t think people should be barred from using Force Abilities unless they’re extremely weak in the Force like Darovit.
Fuck Roy Phillips. That is all
I like the moral ambiguity of that quest. Helping Roy seems like what’s right at first, but he ends up being just as bad as Tenpenny.
The best thing to do for both sides is to not start the quest at all. But it’s whatever; I killed Roy, the ghouls in the Hotel and Mr. Burke too. I’m not sure why he was still alive but was pleasantly surprised.
Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Because nostalgia
Yes, I have a nostalgia for non-stupid things.
Stupid? Possibly. Corny? Definitely.
Well at least you admit the things you argue for are corny. However, I must insist they are stupid.
Star Wars has always been corny is some facets but having the Emperor be uber powerful just cause is too much corn for a guy like me.
Also I’m not a fan of the “the Emperor is soooo evil that…” thinking so we’ll have to agree to to disagree on that one. The Emperor may be powerful but he is not some demi-God of the Force who is so powerful he can literally pull powers out of his ass.
It is not because “the Emperor is soooo evil that…”, it is simply because he happened to be born extraordinarily exceptionally gifted.
That could easily be applied to Vader as well as he is a Skywalker.
And yes that is why he could “pull powers out of his ass” while no one else could. It is like Einstein “pulling” theory of relativity “out of his ass” while no one could. We haven’t had a scientist of his calibre since Newton and Galileo and it doesn’t seem we will have one in near future either. Do you get it now?
No matter what the achievement someone would have discovered or achieved the exact same thing eventually. Also…apples and oranges man.
Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Because nostalgia
Yes, I have a nostalgia for non-stupid things.
Stupid? Possibly. Corny? Definitely.
Ok, so you agree he might not be as powerful as the Emperor. Then why is it so hard to understand how he might not be able to do something that the Emperor can do as a result?
Because Darth Vader is a master of the Dark Side. Let’s say if Vader in the OT was as competent as Darth Maul, Kylo Ren or even the Inquisitors from Rebels I can understand why you would say that as they are nowhere near Sidious but the gap in power between Vader and Sidious isn’t that big to have certain abilities be completely alien to him. Higher proficiency maybe but not entire abilities.
It’s like saying I’m stronger than you but I shouldn’t be able to lift more weight than you.
It’s a little more complicated than that but I see what you’re trying to say.
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Nostalgia has to do with it in Dominic and Impscum’s case. Maybe not yours but theirs.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
I didn’t say it did. It makes him a top tier Force Wilder though.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
The definition of inept is as follows
lacking skill or ability
so if he is unable to utilize Force Lightning he is inept by definition in that regard.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
That’s pretty much the next step up when Vader is already a Dark Side Master,
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
That’s probably because we don’t share the same opinion regarding Vader and/or Sidious’ power.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
And this is why I want Supreme Leader Snoke to be stronger than Sidious by a large margin.
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DominicCobb said:
If you just watch the OT it’s easy to assume that the Emperor is just more powerful. When I was a kid and first saw Dooku use lightning it was a big what the fuck moment. Even in TFA you don’t see Kylo Ren use lightning. It shouldn’t be ubiquitous for sith and you certainly shouldn’t be able to deflect it so easy.Given the other things Dooku did in AOTC it’s safe to say he’s at least an expert Force Wielder so that’s not surprising to me at all. Kylo Ren on the other hand is an adept Force Wielder. He has massive potential and knows a couple of powerful and obscure abilities but he hasn’t even completed his training and in his mind probing ability he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet. If he continues to train for even a few years he will be an expert or even a top tier Force Wielder.
I don’t give a shit about “top tier Force Wielders.” The fact that the EU made it so that force abilities are like unlockable powers in a video game is fucking dumb. In the OT Vader was exceptionally powerful but only the Emperor had the special force lighting ability. The fact that Dooku could do it because he’s a “expert Force Wielder” is stupid as shit. It shouldn’t work that way.
Actually people had to be taught abilities in the EU; the only thing that is actually unlocked is higher proficiency of the abilities. Also I’m not a fan of the “the Emperor is soooo evil that…” thinking so we’ll have to agree to to disagree on that one. The Emperor may be powerful but he is not some demi-God of the Force who is so powerful he can literally pull powers out of his ass.
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Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?
Because nostalgia
It’s pointless to continue this debate. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to assume Vader is less powerful than the Emperor. You don’t agree. Oh well.
I didn’t he was as powerful as…never mind
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
Doesn’t make him as powerful as the Emperor.
I didn’t say it did. It makes him a top tier Force Wilder though.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
Emperor can do something Vader can’t. That doesn’t make Vader inept in comparison, it makes him less powerful.
The definition of inept is as follows
lacking skill or ability
so if he is unable to utilize Force Lightning he is inept by definition in that regard.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
More powerful /= demi-God.
That’s pretty much the next step up when Vader is already a Dark Side Master,
Nothing you’ve said has given me any reason to abandon the quite simple and reasonable view that Vader was not strong enough to use force lightning.
That’s probably because we don’t share the same opinion regarding Vader and/or Sidious’ power.
Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.
And this is why I want Supreme Leader Snoke to be stronger than Sidious by a large margin.
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DominicCobb said:
If you just watch the OT it’s easy to assume that the Emperor is just more powerful. When I was a kid and first saw Dooku use lightning it was a big what the fuck moment. Even in TFA you don’t see Kylo Ren use lightning. It shouldn’t be ubiquitous for sith and you certainly shouldn’t be able to deflect it so easy.
Given the other things Dooku did in AOTC it’s safe to say he’s at least an expert Force Wielder so that’s not surprising to me at all. Kylo Ren on the other hand is an adept Force Wielder. He has massive potential and knows a couple of powerful and obscure abilities but he hasn’t even completed his training and in his mind probing ability he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet. If he continues to train for even a few years he will be an expert or even a top tier Force Wielder.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder.
Nothing in the OT indicates this.
He says to Obi-Wan (who is a Jedi Master) he was but the learer but now he is the master and he can Force choke someone with thousands if not millions of miles of space separating them. I need not say more.
To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame.
Except I said neither of those things.
Less powerful /= inept
I said you said he was inept in comparison to Vader which is literally what you said when you suggested that he wasn’t as strong to the point that Sidious can do something Vader couldn’t even attempt.
More powerful /= God
I should have said demi-God.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
Or maybe, just maybe, the prequels are shit. Have you ever looked at it from that perspective?
It doesn’t help in this discussion. It’s a “Because not OT”, “Because not George Lucas” and “Because it would diminish the OT” type of response. It definitely doesn’t work when there’s a simple as shit reason for why Vader can’t use Force Lightning.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
He’s so powerful/evil that he can use force lightning. How is that lamer than shit?
Darth Vader is a top tier Force Wielder. To say that he can’t use Force Lightning because he’s somehow inept in comparison to Sidious is to claim Sidious is akin to a God which is lame. That’s like saying Sidious is sooo evil that he’s the only Sith who can have yellow eyes. That shit would be lame too.
In all seriousness if The Emperor is so powerful why did he do nothing when Vader picked him up? He seemed rather surprised when Vader turned on him so him continuing to use Force Lightning seemed accidental rather than malicious
To be honest, Kylo’s interrogation of Rey is not as disturbing as what Spock did to Valeris in Star Trek VI.
I’m not a Trek fan so I’m going to need some context.
Well, like Kylo in TFA, Spock forcibly reads someone’s mind in ST VI. The overall scene is a bit creepy. And unlike TFA this film is a lot less subtle about the fact hat it’s supposed to be quite violating.
Here’s the scene btw; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1NgX-w54RY
I’m sure Spock did what he did for a good reason. Kylo on the other hand read Rey’s to not only locate Skywalker but because he could. There was no reason to look for the negative emotions and memories she harbors in her mind or how she felt that Han could be the Father she never had.
Oh sure, it was a matter of life and death for potentially millions, and the clock was ticking, etc, etc (last act stuff). My point was just that the scene was a little more “blunt” about it than the one in TFA.
I think the only thing that makes it more blunt is that Spock is physically touching her as he’s probing her mind.
I would also claim that Valeris’ reaction is far more extreme than Rey’s.
And I would counter that besides Rey’s tears Poe’s reaction is equal to if not worse than Valeris’.
Also Rey had a small moment if triumph as she read Kylo’s fears as well, whereas Valeris is simply forced to take until Spock stops. So the outcomes are vastly different.
The worst part of the interrogation is when Kylo is pulling personal things out of Rey’s mind. At that point she was totally helpless and that’s when she cried.
Your theory hinges on “The Emperor is sooo powerful/evil that he…” which is lamer than shit.
The right answer is that it would damage Vader’s cybernetics. PT hate is fine in most circumstances but not in this one.
I always just assumed he wasn’t as powerful as the Emperor. And I see no reason to abandon that theory.
Well he isn’t. Vader is a Master of the Dark Side but even lesser Sith can conjure up Force Lightning with varying degrees of effectiveness.
Show me anywhere in the movies where that’s indicated.
There’s The Emperor and Vader. There are no “lesser Sith.”
Dooku is a lesser Sith and he can conjure Force Lightning.
