Lord Haseo

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

My mom fucking loves that show.

Dear god I feel old now.

My Mom is 45 so hopefully that will give you further clarity.

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.

As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.

But that’s not in the movie either, so it’s the same as saying “it took Luke 4 years to learn how to force pull.” All we know from the movie is that Jabba realizes that Luke is trying to trick him and is familiar with the mind trick thing.

JEDIT- I’m not trying to play defense or offense for anybody, just pointing this out.

From the movie, yes. From canon, no. Hutts and whatever Watto is have an immunity to Force Persuasion or any type of mind altering Force Abilities. But then again who’s to say that George didn’t invent the Hutts to be resistant to mind tricks?

EDIT:

As Frink said mind tricks only work on weak willed individuals meaning that even discarding the fact that Hutt’s are resistant to mind tricks there is an inherent flaw in the ability so Luke not being able to use it on Jabba is not a failing of his making. It’s still a bad point nonetheless.

TV’s Frink said:

JEDIT: Related - http://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/flight-of-the-conchords-say-theyll-test-material-for-a-new-comedy-album-in-dallas-tonight-8836526

Yay!

My mom fucking loves that show. I like the Bret You Got It Going On song and the other one about the ex girlfriends.

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

All I wished is that people would examine Luke the same way they do Rey.

Ok.

It takes Luke 3 years to awkwardly “Force get” his lightsaber in the snow.

And you know this how? Just because this is the first time we’ve seen him do a Force Pull on screen doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of it in the 3 year time span between SW and ESB. If he was able to learn Blast Deflection in a few minutes why not telekinesis?

A few hours after having touched the very same lightsaber, Rey succeeds in “Force getting” the saber (I really don’t know the english term) in an even more spectacular way (someone else - someone with years of Jedi/proto-Sith training - was also trying to “Force get” the saber, but she easily beats him).

Though she did use a Force Pull without any training in the ability I don’t think Kylo Ren was even able to use The Force at the time.

1. When he reaches for the lightsaber with the Force it didn’t even budge.

2. The novelization said after he killed Han he felt weaker than he had in a long time

3. Aside from him Force Pushing Rey prior to their fight he doesn’t use the Force at all during their duel.

It takes 4 years to Luke to master the Jedi mind trick.

Again, where are you getting this from? Just because we didn’t see Luke use a mind trick prior to ROTJ doesn’t mean he didn’t know it.

He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.

As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.

Rey fails her first attempt (which occurs only a few hours after being told the existence of the Force) but a few seconds later - for some reasons which are never explained - she succeeds.

Why would it be explained at that time?

Luke almost got killed a few times (sand people, the cantina, the trash compactor, Vader in the trench, etc.) but got saved by someone else (mostly Ben and his Force protection). Rey… hum… well, at one point she’s in danger but she manages to escape (thanks to fast learning Jedi mind trick) or in other scenes she stays alive because she knows how to shoot, to kick ass with a metallic stick, to fly the Falcon, to climb, to bypass electronic devices, to use a lightsaber (just… because the script needs her to use a lightsaber), etc.

Well you’re forgetting that Finn was manning the turrets and shot down one of the two TIEs. Furthermore before Finn destroyed this TIE Fighter Rey got hit multiple times. He saved her…and this isn’t even the first time. When they were still on the ground Finn grabbed Rey on two different occasions where if she were alone she would have perished.

Rey might be the most powerful character ever seen in a movie

LMFAO SURE BUDDY

It’s fine if you don’t like her or if you find her OP but you’re exaggerating beyond belief.

her only pain is to witness the death of someone she only got to know a few hours. Luke struggles to get a few things done and nevertheless cannot prevent Ben, Beru, Owen or Biggs from dying.

And the pain of her finally accepting that her family abandoned her but then again Rey actually had internal stuff going on unlike Luke in SW.

dahmage said:

Lord Haseo said:

I tend to see movies first in standard, 3D and finally IMAX 3D

TFA was the only movie I did the pre ticket sales for and I wont be doing it for Rogue One. I’m not even taking off work to see it. But don’t get any ideas; I’m still very pumped to see this movie.

I really dislike 3D feature films, but i also really like a big event feel if i am going to opening night, and IMAX delivers that. (at least in my local theaters that is how it breaks down). So i think i will probably be getting IMAX 3D tickets for opening night. and then if i go again (of course!), i will choose the standard showing down the street.

I didn’t used to be that big into opening night, but its a fun excuse to do something out of the usual these days, but only for a select few movies that is!

I’m not big into 3D either but 3D IMAX was an incredible experience. With that being said I will probably never watch a movie in 3D IMAX with the exceptions of the main Star Wars films.

We should take this Luke v Rey thread to the TFA Review thread 😃

If someone hasn’t I’ll make the transition once I get home and after I’ve smoked a few bowls.

Post this in another thread if you really want to talk about this

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

All I wished is that people would examine Luke the same way they do Rey.

We examined them the same way. They are superficially similar due to TFA’s attempt at rehash OT. However, technically they are very different in the important details.

You really should elaborate about that in another thread. If I’m looking for a headache I might just engage with you if I decide not to run through Stranger Things for the third time 😉

EDIT:

The only thing I will say is that the OT didn’t invent the Hero’s Journey so get that shit out of my face.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Star Wars in general is bumming me out.

But Rogue One might be really good!

Without George? Fat chance!

All I wished is that people would examine Luke the same way they do Rey. Terms don’t really bother me but some of the hypocrisy does. With that being said I’m not going to talk about this anymore as this conversation and Star Wars in general is bumming me out.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

She seemed more confused about it than anything.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/daisy-ridley-responds-to-mary-sue-criticisms.html

I think she should have just stuck with the confusion due to Luke’s abilities. Crying sexism seems like she’s trying to compensate due to not having an argument.

Crying sexism because it is a female name is silly, crying sexism because of the way the female name is used is not silly.

I agree though most male Mary Sues are just called overpowered so there’s not a huge difference.

TV’s Frink said:

She seemed more confused about it than anything.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/daisy-ridley-responds-to-mary-sue-criticisms.html

I think she should have just stuck with the confusion due to Luke’s abilities. Crying sexism seems like she’s trying to compensate due to not having an argument.

Daisy seems to not like the term either though I think there should be a better reason than “Because it’s the name of a girl”.

I tend to see movies first in standard, 3D and finally IMAX 3D

TFA was the only movie I did the pre ticket sales for and I wont be doing it for Rogue One. I’m not even taking off work to see it. But don’t get any ideas; I’m still very pumped to see this movie.

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Most of her maneuvers could be considered luck (or perhaps Ben would say the will of the Force guiding her) and are done with little precision.

You must have been watching a different chase than what I saw.

She was barely pulling them off as she was very panicked during that scenes.

He charges into the detention block with no exit plan and has to be saved by the quick thinking of the Princess.

Han and Chewie were there too…I don’t see your point.

He blasts the bridge controls trapping them on a cliff.

He almost gets them all killed when he shouts after Ben’s death.

Rey almost gets the crew killed when she accidentally released the Rathtars

He misses multiple times in the gun turret of the Falcon before he finally gets the hang of it.

Meanwhile, Rey readily takes down multiple attackers with a melee weapon.

She 's been fighting with that thing for YEARS so of course she’s going to be able to do that. You can’t fault a character for abilities their backstory covers.

And is a deadshot that never misses once she’s given a blaster.

You’re lying. She misses her first shot with the Storm Trooper after she shoots at him with the safety on. Also Han, Chewie and Finn are way better shots than her while Luke is actually on par with the rest of the characters in STAR WARS.

Speaking of DOOM the new one is fucking amazing. The only real problem I have with the game is that I became a nigh unstoppable God of Death even by the time I went to Hell for the first time. Hopefully the more difficult options give me a thorough beating before I return the favor.

How is finding a ship on a junkyard planet stupid? Please enlighten me oh wise one.

Read the edited post

If that’s how you feel. Still happened and explains how she managed to fly the Falcon.

EDIT:

She found the ship and I think the flight simulator was in there as well. So with that being said there’s nothing wrong with any of this.

Old spongebob still holds up

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Nickelodeon had quality programming? I don’t remember that.

Late 1990’s and early 2000’s were the shit for Nickelodeon.

I want to agree, but that’s only because that’s exactly when I was watching it.

Exactly!

Look, I loved You Can’t Do That On Television and Double Dare, but let’s be honest, they sucked.

Hey Dude probably sucked too.

Spongebob, Fairly Odd Parents, Drake and Josh, Danny Phantom, Rugrats, Hey Mothafuckin Arnold…come on man.

Redundant post is redundant. dahmage already cleaned house

TV’s Frink said:

Nickelodeon had quality programming? I don’t remember that.

Late 1990’s and early 2000’s were the shit for Nickelodeon.

Young Jeezy - Bottom of The Map

EDIT:

Kyle Dixon and Michael Stein - Castle Byers

Tupac feat. Snoop Dogg - Gangsta Party

Well if Chris was a dinosaur then that’s what he would look like. I’m not sure if that’s it

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wish they would have made Leia a Jedi.

Leia being slighty Force sensitive but not a Jedi is one the best ideas regarding her character. Plus it would be very hard to find a stuntwoman who looks like her now to perform her action scenes…

Well I wouldn’t really want her fighting in the ST but it would have been nice if she undergone extensive training in the inevitable ST prequel novel/s. In the ST Leia could have been someone who mentored our new heroes on the ways of the Force, gave them advise about other matters as Force Users are perceptive and if put in a combat situation in TFA she could have relied solely on her Force Abilities. I don’t think many people would have complained about that. Especially Carrie 😉