Lord Haseo

IP55 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Well if you tear it to bits make sure it’s mostly because of TLJ’s faults and not entirely because of TFA’s 😉

How do you follow tfa…with great difficulty.

Opinions aside it seems as though Rian is crafting an interesting and out there story with layered characters who will be tested immensely. Regardless of how you feel about TFA from what Rian has said about the film it is clear he is trying his damnedest to give us a good film. Plus JJ and Kasdan didn’t write VIII’s script so take solace in that at least.

Well if you tear it to bits make sure it’s mostly because of TLJ’s faults and not entirely because of TFA’s 😉

TV’s Frink said:

Thank god we have at least one non-TFA thread that isn’t polluted by “TFA sucks” talk.

What?

Ah well.

Get used to it because regardless of how VIII and IX turn out naysayers will just shit on TFA instead of talking about the new films and what they bring to the table. It’ll be a convenient excuse to shoo away any argument that VIII or IX are good films. We could talk about how deep the plot is, how well written the characters are or even Rian’s directing prowess but that doesn’t matter to these people apparently.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.

ROTJ was good but it was NOTHING in comparison to SW and ESB. TFA is really good imo but it could be garbage in comparison to VIII and IX. So regardless of how you were to phrase it there is still a huge gap in quality depending on your position. For the people who dislike ROTJ could they judge the entirety of the trilogy based on 1 installment?

Yes because even if they judged OT based on ROTJ it would be great. If they judge new trilogy based on TFA, it would be crap.

The people in this scenario would have a generally unfavorable opinion of the OT because of ROTJ so your position is of no consequence. Having said that would they be right to hold that negative opinion?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.

ROTJ was good but it was NOTHING in comparison to SW and ESB. TFA is really good imo but it could be garbage in comparison to VIII and IX. So regardless of how you were to phrase it there is still a huge gap in quality depending on your position. For the people who dislike ROTJ could they judge the entirety of the trilogy based on 1 installment?

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

Luckily they are making these spin-offs quite regularly so there is still something left.

I think the characters themselves will ensure the next installation will indeed be a huge disappointment. I can’t see it being anything else. A weak villain, a seemingly obvious plot, a boring heroine and no doubt more easter eggs and dodgy cgi monsters. With an R2D2 ball to finish off.

Oh so Kylo doesn’t complete his training? That’s a bummer. What else can you tell me about VIII and IX since you’re clearly privy to information the rest of us aren’t?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

So essentially regardless of merit you’re going to trash the rest of the ST because you didn’t like TFA? Sounds fairly reasonable in 2017.

I did not particularly like any of the characters in TFA. I do not think they will all just disappear in the sequel.

That’s fine but these characters will be developed further and they will hopefully change throughout the trilogy. For all we know Finn could become a fully mature man by the end of the ST and if he and others go through well defined character arcs you can’t judge these characters for who they were. Well you can but I’m going to bring up how much Luke changed in the OT.

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

So essentially regardless of merit you’re going to trash the rest of the ST because you didn’t like TFA? Sounds fairly reasonable in 2017.

IP55 said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Development (change of character) does not make characters good or well written. TFA characters may get more development throughout the film but they are boring or unoriginal and the development is bad or unoriginal. While in R1 the characters may not change much (do no get much development) but at least they are complex and interesting.

Elaborate please. Beyond Cassian how are the characters complex? You say these things but you never really go into detail.

Lord Haseo said:

I think you should stop finding lame false explanations about R1 and TFA in order to feel better. You should face the fact that R1 is simply good and TFA is crap. Those of us who like R1 and dislike TFA simply accept this truth.

I like Rogue One but it’s definitely more entertaining than well written. I personally can’t say the same for TFA.

TFA is neither well written nor entertaining.

Your opinion.

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Tobar said:

Mocata said:

TFA still has the stupid map and the stupider R2D2 activation moment, but it averages out so that both become simply mediocre.

Don’t forget seeing the destruction of a planet from an entirely different star system.

TFA was far worse with its offenses.

I think we can all agree Starkiller Base is the worst thing to come out of these films.

The worst thing to come out of these films, is these films. They are both defeating their own objective in trying to please ‘fans’ they are in fact doing the opposite.

This only applies to the shoehorned in fanservice moments only. The films in general are stories we should have seen so in no way do I feel serviced for having these films. I feel that they’re necessary components to the larger Star Wars story.

If we are going to have new films then let’s see something new that keeps the codes and conventions of star wars. Not some half arsed rehash with some old characters thrown in for good measure or some rushed edit, half finished film.

What exactly are the “codes and conventions” of Star Wars because TFA and R1 stick to the script almost to fault…

If Rey is in fact ‘The last Jedi’ which I fear will be her fate…then this truly is a massive regurgitation of the OT.

Admittedly it would be a rehash at face value though they can at least mask it a little by having Luke die in a different way than Yoda. They can also have the impact of Luke’s death
be different from Yoda’s in terms of how it impacts the surviving characters and the Galaxy at large. Essentially they can just make Luke perishing a generic plot point like Yoda dying in ROTJ. No one would ever say Yoda dying is a rehash of Ben dying in SW…right?

Kylo ren is no vader! I hope they kill him off quick

No, but he could become worse than Vader or Bane.

CarboniteSolo said:

@Lord Haseo, I don’t know if Disney will do something like that, I mean, you have kids watching this. I don’t think they will allow Chewbacca to deliberately kill Kylo Ren for killing Han Solo. As much as I know he really wants too, I don’t see them doing it. I do see Chewie maybe growling at him and pushing him back into a corner and maybe he loses his balance and falls into a deep hole/crevasse/abyss never to be seen again.

LOL

That’s the Disney way, not seeking revenge and actually getting to do it. The good guys will look just as bad as the bad guys. You want it to look like an accident, not bloodthirsty revenge. This way, Chewie doesn’t look like a monster. If he’s protecting somebody, then he has to do what he has to do, I guess.

I’m thinking the Disney way needs some revisions. I also don’t think people would mind if Chewie ripped off Kylo’s arm and bludgeoned him to death with it. If there ever was a applaud worthy moment that would be it.

You didn’t see Luke just start chopping up Darth Vader, because he killed Ben Kenobi. He wounded him, and threw down his lightsaber. I don’t know, I just don’t see them doing something like that, but who knows.

That’s a bad example because Palpatine interrupted them so we don’t know what Luke would have done if they were alone.

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Also a being that rips people’s arms out of their sockets when he loses would definitely definitely seek out and murder the man who killed his best friend.

Jay said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wonder if you can get off the plateau without the paraglider. Even if you can’t the plateau area is more than big enough for most people to dip their toes into.

One way that the game limits the play that I don’t like is that you have to have a decent amount of heart pieces to get the Master Sword even though you can travel there as soon as you get the paraglider.

I think this is just good game design in an open-world format. Open-world games let you go anywhere you want, but guide you through the story by varying the difficulty for quests/items, making them impossible to perform without leveling up. If you could walk right in at the beginning and get the Master Sword without improving yourself, there wouldn’t be any challenge. Skyrim lets you march up mountainsides to dragons’ nests on day one, but you’re going to get your ass handed to you.

I suppose you’re right. I find it pretty dope that it’s not directly tied to the story (as far as I’m concerned) and you don’t have to free any Divine Beasts to get it.

I managed to get a Guardian Spear right after leaving the plateau, but it wasn’t easy. I went through several potions, a broken weapon or two, and a fair amount of arrows to do it.

Hyrule is pretty damn treacherous this time around. I think this is the only game in the series where enemies can insta kill you and it has happened to me…quite a few times.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Haseo said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

^No weaker than losing his previous fight against Rey made him look.

No, because there were multiple reasons for why he lost. If someone in 2017 isn’t willing to do some research (or better yet pay attention to the film) then that’s their problem. Not Kylo’s, not JJ’s and not Disney’s.

Which is my point. I’m not saying Kylo is weak, I’m saying that him being killed would weaken him as little as the previous fight. He lost the fight, and rightfully so. Losing to a fully trained Rey when he doesn’t even want to fight anymore wouldn’t weaken him at all.

Does that make sense? It makes sense in my head but I had trouble thinking how best to type it all out.

I meant it would make him look weak in terms of his conviction. He’s already been established to be wavering in terms of his commitment to the Dark Side of The Force so without a long and drawn out redemption arc it’s going to diminish him as a character.

What exactly caused Jacen to turn back to the Light though? Did his sister say something that promoted his turn? Did he come to some grand realization while dueling her that caused his perspective to change on the matter? If Rey were to do the former it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world but if Kylo gets redeemed I would like for him to realize the depths of his misdeeds over the course of many events and after much internal debates about said events and his overall mental state.

lovelikewinter said:

There was an old Tales of the Jedi comic where Ulic was stripped of his ability to use the Force after killing his brother. He became a broken man and turned on his master, but finding no real peace. That’s what I want to see happen to Kylo Ren. Lose his ability with the Force and at the end have Rey, Finn and Poe not accept him. Make him a pariah and have him leave with the Falcon to the outer reaches of the galaxy- retaking the name Ben Solo and finally appreciating the family he once had.

FTFY

suspiciouscoffee said:

^No weaker than losing his previous fight against Rey made him look.

No, because there were multiple reasons for why he lost. If someone in 2017 isn’t willing to do some research (or better yet pay attention to the film) then that’s their problem. Not Kylo’s, not JJ’s and not Disney’s.

My hope is that Kylo dies. Redeemed or otherwise, I want him DEAD! I think Lucky has the right idea, assuming Jaina is to Rey as Caedus is to Kylo.

I only want him to die if Chewie gets to kill him.

It would make him look weak as hell though.

TV’s Frink said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

“Bad” as a point of view dates farther back in SW than the PT. Or at least a lie as a point of view does.

Of course, we’re all familiar with Ben’s speech. I just mean using it to explain Anakin’s turn could have been a good starting point if it was followed through competently.

I agree. In BanditIncorperated’s version of the PT Anakin turns against the Jedi because the refuded to sign a peace treaty because they wanted to search for Sidious. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when Anakin went to a war memorial for the millions who died in The Clone Wars. That’s a far better reason than he had in George’s PT.

I wonder if you can get off the plateau without the paraglider. Even if you can’t the plateau area is more than big enough for most people to dip their toes into.

One way that the game limits the play that I don’t like is that you have to have a decent amount of heart pieces to get the Master Sword even though you can travel there as soon as you get the paraglider.

Would have been much simpler if the guy would have just asked “Singular or plural?”. Rian probably wouldn’t have answered it but if he did there would be no confusion…probably.

“Erase” may be hyperbole but he did try to cover the OUT with a foot of manure with the hopes no one would notice.

Graphics don’t phase me; if anything I’ve been playing Zelda using the handheld mode more than playing it on a big screen. I’m too enamored with the game to care really.

IP55 said:

I think GL selling was the best thing he could have done after butchering his masterpieces and destroying everything he did by creating those 'other’films. Disney murdering Star Wars is inevitable and expected, the PT was a huge shock! The Han solo car crash is coming, tfa was crap and Rogue One was a good film trying to break out. I wish they’d spent a bit more time on R1 and maybe it could have been accepted. I await a plethora of shite films.

Damn, how good does a movie have to be for you to “accept” it? Whatever that means.