Lord Haseo

Frank your Majesty said:

Do you think people who like TFA and R1 think these movies are high art and in no way products? Of course they are products but that doesn’t mean they are bad products.

They’re movies. That’s all I see them as.

Mocata said:

You’re just describing Alderaan and impscum’s arguments.

XD

Lord Haseo said:
… whereas Bodhi only had like one scene where he sufficiently states who he is and what his motives are. They could have least made his personality more colorful so that he could have made an impression in another way. Anything is better than having him doing nothing for most of the film.

Right, it needed time for him to be introduced, see what the plans are, and bond with Galen before escaping. But there’s no time for that in this plot structure.

He could have easily talked about himself and his motives with Jyn. It’s not a stretch to assume that she would want to pry more information about Galen out of him.

Character arcs are not rocket science, but I felt like the first act needed way more development or less team members who have more chemistry.

I definitely wouldn’t have minded more backstory for Jyn and scenes with Galen in the first act. Would have strengthened the core of the film.

They could scrap Bodhi, Baze and Cassian and bring in Chirrut earlier while not killing off Saw for a better sense of clashing ideology while allowing Jyn to grow more.

I would keep Cassian but would have the conflict between him and Jyn be prolonged instead of being dropped instantly. They really had something there.

EDIT:

@SilverWook

I knew that

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

Rehash:

• to talk over or discuss again

• to present or use again in another form without substantial change or improvement

You’re just describing Alderaan and impscum’s arguments.

No because we’ve already established that TFA is a soft remake and Rogue One is a new story so it doesn’t even count. But then again so is the Han Solo flick and in this moment I see my hypocrisy. I take back my previous statement about the Han Solo flick feeling like a rehash. If anything it feels more fanservicy and unnecessary in my opinion.

Rehash:

• to talk over or discuss again

• to present or use again in another form without substantial change or improvement

Alderaan said:
Another movie with Darth Vader? That’s five movies now since he died, and he’s managed to appear in all of them.

The first 3 were stories were about the rise of Darth Vader and Anakin didn’t even turn until ROTS. Also he was only mentioned in TFA so I count 2/5 man.

Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:

DominicCobb said:

Walt Disney Pictures made Beauty and the Beast. Lucasfilm made TFA and RO. Walt Disney Studios distributed both. Maybe some day people will learn the difference (spoiler: they won’t).

Actually, if you had watched TFA and R1, which I’m sure you did, you could tell they were made by about 50 different executives, all with their own sometimes disparate ideas, crammed into 2 hours.

Which is how dysfunctional rehash movies get made.

TFA? Fine but Rogue One? Nah. It just a movie that takes place around the time of the OT. How does that make it a rehash?

Another movie with the Death Star

Hahahahaha!

A movie that leads directly into ANH and is about the capture of the Death Star plans shouldn’t have the Death Star in it? WTF?

Why did they make another movie about the Death Star in the first place?

For the same reason the PT was made and that is to add another piece to the story of Star Wars and to fill in the gaps between the PT and OT.

Another movie with Grand Moff Tarkin? Now there’s going to be another movie with Han Solo?

The whole series is just rehash now.

Admittedly, the Han movie seems like rehashing as it’s a story not worth telling (on film anyway) but as long as the plot isn’t ripping off stuff from older movies why does it matter that Storm Troopers and Rebels appear?

Alderaan said:

DominicCobb said:

Walt Disney Pictures made Beauty and the Beast. Lucasfilm made TFA and RO. Walt Disney Studios distributed both. Maybe some day people will learn the difference (spoiler: they won’t).

Actually, if you had watched TFA and R1, which I’m sure you did, you could tell they were made by about 50 different executives, all with their own sometimes disparate ideas, crammed into 2 hours.

Which is how dysfunctional rehash movies get made.

TFA? Fine but Rogue One? Nah. It just a movie that takes place around the time of the OT. How does that make it a rehash?

I have also never heard of either of these terms and considering I’ve smoked with a lot of rednecks I should have heard them…but that’s just my situation though.

SilverWook said:

Lord Haseo said:

Density said:

Yeah, it was cool to watch Vader kick some ass at the end, but it meant nothing and was just another example of fan service.

And like I have stated before if they filmed Vader slaughtering Rebels in the OT literally no one would have an issue with the Vader slaughter scene in Rogue One.

A fully suited Vader slaughtering Jedi in Episode III would have gone over like gangbusters as well.

You’re probably right even though there were only two Jedi alive at the time. I don’t even want to know how someone could try to spin that but whoever can should be leading our country.

Mocata said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in.

A little screen presence goes a long way.

It does if that time is used efficiently. Alfred in TDKR is a perfect example of this as he brought a lot of emotion to the film even though he didn’t have much screen time. Disregarding BB and TDK Nolan still had plenty of scenes to develop Alfred taking issue with Bruce coming out of retirement whereas Bodhi only had like one scene where he sufficiently states who he is and what his motives are. They could have least made his personality more colorful so that he could have made an impression in another way. Anything is better than having him doing nothing for most of the film.

But the ones with natural charisma didn’t get enough to do personally.

I agree.

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in. The only exception is for “blank slate characters” like Eleven and none of the characters in Rogue One come close to being one.

I thought he had a good story (for one of the non-lead characters in the film) - an everyday average Joe has had his eye opened and wants to make amends for what he had done - and when he does the ‘right thing’ and defects he is overawed in something he doesn’t fully understand.

Yet he, the little guy, can still make a difference even when surrounded by more experienced or ‘talented’ people or ‘heroes’ - that he can step up and be just as brave, and important or effective, as them.

I hope we get more characters like this in the coming Star Wars films - yes, there’s always ‘the chosen one’ and larger than life characters - but it’s important to have that grounding - that realism of what it’s like for the everyday Joe in this vast galaxy…

I thought they nailed it with Bhodi Rook.

Fair play to Riz Ahmed for his performance too and the director/editor for keeping that balance between the ensemble Rogue One team. Sure, maybe we’d like to have seen a bit more from each (maybe we would have in pre-reshoots?) but overall each character comes through without weighing or slowing the flow of the film down.

Each to their own though.

I like the outline of his story just like I like Finn’s but Finn had more going on as a character so I was able to form a connection with him. Things like him feeling ashamed about being involved with The First Order (even though he didn’t have a choice) and lying to Rey along with the fact he had a friend while he was inlisted and is willing to do anything for his new friends despite his immature and cowardly nature adds a lot to his character in my opinion. Best part about this is that the new characters in TFA will be developed further whereas someone like Bodhi won’t receive further development. I’m glad Chirrut and Baze are because even though they didn’t interest me I was entertained enough by them that I would like to know more about them. If only to insert their more interesting versions into my mind while watching Rogue One.

I wonder how people would see these characters had they not died. For a character like Bohdi all he had was a good death scene so without that there’s nothing to really get emotionally invested in. The only exception is for “blank slate characters” like Eleven and none of the characters in Rogue One come close to being one.

TV’s Frink said:

You underestimate how determined some are to hate anything connected to Disney.

Or people’s inability/unwillingness to bash the OT.

Density said:

Yeah, it was cool to watch Vader kick some ass at the end, but it meant nothing and was just another example of fan service.

And like I have stated before if they filmed Vader slaughtering Rebels in the OT literally no one would have an issue with the Vader slaughter scene in Rogue One.

I got a quarter of some purp and I got some other high grade that I got last week but I should have only bought an 1/8 of that purp. The other shit I got has bigger buds, breaks up better and is a tad bit more potent but one of my plugs was selling quarters for the 50 so I said fuck it.

I hate those certain sacks where damn near every bud has a little stem at the bottom. I can’t avoid smoking little stems to save my fucking life man.

I just saw a video stating that Krennic was originally supposed to die by Vader’s hands and I’m so glad they didn’t go down that route as Krennic being turned into star dust is the only death a man like that deserves.

DominicCobb said:

And something like that is pretty inconsequential when it comes to the overall quality of a film.

Not in 2017…

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

darthrush said:
Just disgraceful that Felicity won. Her character was one of the worst aspects of Rogue One for me.

At least she’s more developed than someone like Bodhi Rook.

Bodhi was an imperial pilot inspired by Galen to fight back. He chose to and is constantly trying to prove himself and his worth in the Alliance and then finally in his last moments he gets that fulfillment and knows he played an instrumental role in continuing what Galen started. Felicity had the benefit of far more screen time but her arc was far less tightly written and overall made for an ineffective and non believable arc in my opinion.

And Jyn is a woman who at a young age watched her mother get murdered and her father taken away by The Empire. After some time she has grown to like the idea that Galen is dead because it’s more comforting than knowing he’s being used as a cog in the Imperial war machine. After being taken in by Saw she is “abandoned” by him which has caused her to develop trust issues. And while her arc isn’t convincing like Baze’s I think based on what she had endured it’s sensible as to why she changed her philosophy of ignoring the Empire’s menace into one of freeing the Galaxy of its tyranny. In general she just has more going on as a character.

darthrush said:
Just disgraceful that Felicity won. Her character was one of the worst aspects of Rogue One for me.

At least she’s more developed than someone like Bodhi Rook.

TV’s Frink said:

From http://kotaku.com/horrifying-mlb-the-show-glitch-is-not-okay-1793405939

It’s unbelievable how scary this is

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

The fact Rogue One is even being considered for awards is a testament to Disney’s ability to put Star Wars back on course. Almost any love Rogue One gets is cool in my book.

Disney can make ANYTHING win an award, even the highest honor. When an animated movie as bad as Zootopia wins againts the great Kubo and the two strings, “love” is irrelevant…

(best actress, seriously… best film, come on…, best director… well, that I can understand)

(and WTF are Empire awards anyway, it’s an online video game magazine ?!? It’s 12 yo kids giving awards to movies ? Dude…)

While I certainly disagree about it winning best film and don’t think very highly of the Empire Awards I just like the fact that Rogue One is being praised at all.

I would sure hate to be OP during his/her more private moments. Once the mental barriers and distracting stimuli is rendered ineffective it has to weigh on someone as to how they could act like that.

The fact Rogue One is even being considered for awards is a testament to Disney’s ability to put Star Wars back on course. Almost any love Rogue One gets is cool in my book.

I’m liking the reiteration of short duels that was a thing in the EU and as Jeebus said this duel shows how deadly Obi-Wan still is and reinforces the fact that Obi-Wan was merely sacrificing himself in STAR WARS. Though why that had ever been a small point of contention is beyond me.