Lord Haseo

Why?

lovelikewinter said:

yotsuya said:

lovelikewinter said:

Of all the movies, only Star Wars and Jedi had real endings.

TPM does as well.

TPM was always meant as part one of three. Star Wars could have very easily been a standalone and Jedi was the last for a long time.

STAR WARS was made to be a standalone film as not one soul involved thought there would be a sequel.

SilverWook said:

It’s a cliffhanger ending. And ESB was by no means wrapped up at the end. In fact, one criticism people had back in 1980, (who were no doubt unfamiliar with the old movie serial structure Lucas was emulating) was that it was only “half” a movie.

Really shows the internet hasn’t changed people too too much.

yotsuya said:

SilverWook said:

It’s a cliffhanger ending. And ESB was by no means wrapped up at the end. In fact, one criticism people had back in 1980, (who were no doubt unfamiliar with the old movie serial structure Lucas was emulating) was that it was only “half” a movie.

It was the escape from Hoth and the training of Luke. Han was captured while Leia, Chewy, Threepio, and the Falcon escaped. Han’s capture and Luke’s defeat and everyone’s escape is an ending. Not a happy ending, but an ending. Lando and Chewy left to find Han. And everyone who saw it should have known that there would be another one. I did and I was 10.

But it’s never confirmed whether Luke and Vader were related (which is why it was confirmed in ROTJ) and we still don’t actually get Han back just like we don’t actually get Luke back at the end of TFA now that I think of it.

TFA has several huge plot holes and is lacking in exposition (which there usually is too much of) and it has an ending that it goes beyond.

I agree with the second statement.

Every other installment has an ending that we pick up years later (TESB to ROTJ is the shortest at Lucas’s timeline of 1 year). TLJ will pick up moments after TFA. New is good, but some aspects of the formula should be kept. Abrams failed to do that and failed to craft an logical story that fit with the others. All of Lucas’s failings in the PT, Abrams addressed and did better. But he failed at all the things that Lucas was good at, such as writing the overall story and having a satisfying ending. I still like the Ending to TESB to this day. It was satisfying even with the threads left hanging. I do not find TFA’s ending satisfying.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree as it’s a breath of fresh air being teased like that. I have spent many hours contemplating how Luke and Rey’s first encounter would play out and without that bold step on JJ’s part I wouldn’t have known I like to be denied something I yearn for for the sake of building anticipation. But I feel you though

yotsuya said:

basically putting off resolving the story for the next writer and director rather than having an individual story installment

The film is about finding Luke and that is exactly what happened. The film isn’t about Luke speaking though I would have greatly preferred that he did speak.

Double post

chyron8472 said:

@yotsuya
Several of those questions about TFA are answered in the book. That is, if you care you know the answers to them, but you probably don’t.

Stuff like the relationship between the New Republic and the Resistance and why Han and Chewie found the Falcon so fast is explained in the movie as well. Also a line or two isn’t enough to please everyone. Some people needs things to be fleshed out a little more.

Does anyone have details on the Rey scene that was supposedly shown yesterday? I’m at work and I’m too lazy to look it up.

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self.

Not with the right funding they shouldn’t.

Perhaps. But why would they waste those funds on making the Stormtrooper armor more visually pleasing to look at, why waste it on another Death Star when the first two didn’t work? I feel like that’s just an excuse for the First Order being aesthetically lazy. And it’s not that I’m against in-universe excuses for out-of-universe problems, but the excuses can only go so far.

Well it’s been 30 years so I would have been disappointed if they just rehashed the OT suits.

That’s kinda what they did, though. They made a slight visual upgrade, but other than that it’s almost the same suit.

It’s a little more than slight in my eye but I feel you. Wouldn’t have been the worse thing in the world if they had gone with another regime to fight against instead of the remnants of The Empire. Would give the film makers a change of making competent threats more commonplace.

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self.

Not with the right funding they shouldn’t.

Perhaps. But why would they waste those funds on making the Stormtrooper armor more visually pleasing to look at, why waste it on another Death Star when the first two didn’t work? I feel like that’s just an excuse for the First Order being aesthetically lazy. And it’s not that I’m against in-universe excuses for out-of-universe problems, but the excuses can only go so far.

Well it’s been 30 years so I would have been disappointed if they just rehashed the OT suits. Starkiller Base on the other hand had no reason existing. A super weapon of another variety perhaps but I still wouldn’t have wanted to see another super weapon in TFA.

So that’s really a thing?

Jeebus said:

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self.

Not with the right funding they shouldn’t. The First Order is actively trying to succeed where The Empire failed so it makes sense they would upgrade certain things. The problem is that there was already an AT-AT thing in TFA so I don’t really like it on that basis. I would prefer some completely new technological monstrosity.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Haseo said:

I need to tell Jack I found a way back to the past because this is sure as shit what this new Season feels like…The resurgence of my childhood in an untainted form. Haven’t seen E03 yet but I’m loving it so far.

Not quite as far back as he needs to go, but it’s a start.
😉

I wonder if his agelessness will be explained (and/or reversed if things end up the way his hallucination-ghost-self seems to think things will end up).

If anything it’s probably nothing more than a curse. But then again his immortality could have been caused by being thrown into the future.

canofhumdingers said:

Lord Haseo said:

One of the alternate endings would have fixed this issue as Leia was on Coruscant when the battle on Scarif was going down.

On a semi side note that alternate ending is pretty damn bold. Suicide would have been a hard pill to swallow for some but damn it would have been the last thing I expected had this happened.

Can you expand on this? I’ve read a few articles about the alternate ideas/cuts/whathaveyou. But I don’t recall suicide in any of it? Also, that’s the first I’ve heard of an ending with Leia on Coruscant.

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I need to tell Jack I found a way back to the past because this is sure as shit what this new Season feels like…The resurgence of my childhood in an untainted form. Haven’t seen E03 yet but I’m loving it so far.

yotsuya said:

ray_afraid said:

yotsuya said:

Rogue one just has proven how bad TFA really is.

I didn’t care much for TFA, but how has R1 “proven” it to be bad?
I hope that doesn’t sound condescending or whatever, I know how these things can read in the current mood of the forum, I’m just curious.

You have two opportunities to make a Star Wars movie. For Disney’s first outing in Star Wars, you have TFA. They seem to have all the right people involved and what you get is a story that plays it safe, doesn’t take many risks, has great characters, but contains a whole string of gaffs (lack of any explanation of the current and complex Republic government setup, lack of any explanation as to why the Republic fleet is in one place when it is a large galaxy, the all too convenient way the Falcon escapes Jakku and is found by Han and Chewy, the superweapon that manages to shoot a planet systems away and not have it take centuries to get there and provides no explanation of what the hell is going on, and somehow the blast is visible on Takodana and yet they are not destroyed themselves and then Luke at the end with no lines, and I could go on about the failings of the films but that seems enough) and just is unsatisfying. Then the second outing takes the first two paragraphs from the ANH crawl and gives us the full story. It was a daring script, only has cameos from the main saga cast, lots of easter eggs, but an solid story that is new and different for Star Wars (but very reminicent of many war movies, especially WWII movies) and it hit is out of the park. Abrams gave us little glimpses of classic Star Wars with the Falcon and a few other things, but Rogue One dives into the world of ANH and shows us different corners and makes it come alive. The writing, directing, and editing are outstanding and what I expected of a Star Wars movie. I expected it of the saga, not the side stories, but found the reverse to be true. To me the vast difference in quality (at least in my opinion) shows how bad TFA really is. That is how Rogue One proves that TFA is a bad movie. One can hold its own with the OT, the other I question whether it should even be included in the saga. Others are entitled to have a different opinion but this is how I feel. TFA is more in need of a fan edit than any of the other films followed closely by AOTC.

I still don’t see your argument…your entire post can be boiled down to “TFA is bad because of reasons XYZ and Rogue One is good because of XYZ” which would be fine if the topic at hand wasn’t about how one movie directly impacts the other.

What a time to be alive

One of the alternate endings would have fixed this issue as Leia was on Coruscant when the battle on Scarif was going down.

On a semi side note that alternate ending is pretty damn bold. Suicide would have been a hard pill to swallow for some but damn it would have been the last thing I expected had this happened.

oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

Mocata said:

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Yep you’re 100% right about that. This all Vader/Leia affair (sic) which ends the movie is a huge continuity mistake. Leia should have never been at this battle; Vader should have engaged charcaters we know and not just random rebel troopers we don’t care about. This clearly shows the limits of fan-service when it doesn’t serve (and even damage) the story. Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.

Maybe they are random rebel troopers you don’t care about - though to me, for what they were fighting for, in the situation they were in, for the actions and sacrifice of others to get this far, knowing they were likely going to die - yet still did their utmost to get those plans out of there… I sure did care. I think probably many others do too?

It certainly didn’t ‘clearly show the limits of fan service’ or ‘damage the story’ - in fact, for me it was just the opposite… the everyman characters making a difference too, making their deaths count for something, to contribute to the cause in which they giving their lives for - along with the ‘heroes of the story’ in the Rogue One crew.

Yes, it was a great scene itself with Vader showing his prowess, but the overall message of the film - for me anyway - was that of sacrifice for a better future, or at least a chance of a better future.

Whether that be Galen working for the Empire for years to actually hinder it in the design flaw and to delay it as long as possible, the Rogue One crew & the rebel soldiers on Scarif knowing the situation was likely a one-way mission, to the overall actions of the Alliance when they decide to join the fight.

 

‘Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.’ - well, erm… considering the whole film is set in that OT timeline and a big part of that OT story - to the point where the story of the film is embedded in the OT, it is not quite a valid criticism, is it?

You could equally say Return Of The Jedi wouldn’t have been made ‘without it’s OT skin’, no?

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chyron8472 said:

MalàStrana said:

That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?

What I know is: I like Rogue One. I like it a lot, I have legitimate reasons for liking it, and I’m not a fool for doing so.

And that’s all that matters. Keep doing you man 😉

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

While I don’t agree with everything Chris Stuckman said about Rogue One I appreciate him not being all condescending like Jenny Nicholson. I found myself agreeing more than not with her points but the way she states her case makes it almost impossible fore to rewatch her video criticizing Rogue One.

Jenny Nicholson’s video was unbearable. Chris’s was respectable and I agree about him on Jyn but disagree on Cassian.

I disagree about Cassian as well though I do agree that they could have fleshed out his motives later on in the film. One more scene between him and Jyn would have been perfect for not only developing both characters but for resolving their issues even if they came to an impasse (which is still preferable to the conflict being dropped)

And I think the comparisons he drew with other movies were not as warranted as he may have thought

With SW movies or you mean that bit with the other films?

At least he wasn’t a douche about it like Nicholsons video.

Or RLM/Plinkette though they presented their gripes in a better manner than she.

While I don’t agree with everything Chris Stuckman said about Rogue One I appreciate him not being all condescending like Jenny Nicholson. I found myself agreeing more than not with her points but the way she states her case makes it almost impossible fore to rewatch her video criticizing Rogue One.