Lord Haseo

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darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I just realized that the Force Awakens essentially “retconned” (does that mean written out of canon?) the PT. The PT made clear that Vader was destined to destroy the Sith based on some ancient prophecy, and I’m assuming that Kylo Ren and that fish guy in the hologram are Sith - or at least the equivalent. So basically all that nonsense about the space prophecy and Vader being the savior of the universe was irrelevant.

The Nightsisters in TCW aren’t Sith and neither is Kylo Ren and his master. Abrams mentioned that Kylo Ren isn’t a Sith. Therefore, the prophecy is irrelevant to TFA. It never said “destroy the dark side.”

If Snoke is Plagueis that would obviously trump Abrams’ statement and of course Kylo would emerge a fully trained Sith Lord when he completes his training.

hydrospanner said:

I thought the prophecy from the pt was to bring balance to the force. Doesn’t Von Sydow’s character say that without Luke there can be no balance?

At this point you might as well regard that bit of lunacy as N/A.

Alderaan said:

Ain’t nobody going to be as powerful in the force as Yoda and the Emperor and Vader were

Why not? Where is it specifically stated that no other beings could reach the prowess of Sidious or Yoda? Also perhaps Snoke privy to ancient Sith Force Abilities and taught Kylo a couple before Kylo went off to do First Order stuff

Alderaan said:

The fights get their meaning by what else is going on

That’s fine and all but the scene in which Kylo Ren freezes the blaster bolt isn’t even a fight scene it’s a moment in the first scene of the film that establishes how powerful our villain is (which of course ends up being misdirection.). There weren’t any other factors that could have enhanced the tension or importance of the scene. It’s unfair to compare the scenes to be honest.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Mithrandir said:
It’s still the same. They are still raising the bar.

Since it’s a sequel they damn well better be raising the bar. Why should Force Lightning, Force Pushes/pulls, Force Speed, Tutaminis, enhanced speed/strength/agility due to forced based physical augmentation be the extent one can use The Force? In terms of variation to the EU the Force Abilities shown in Episodes I - VI are not even comparable. It’s time for something new.

Maybe it is time for something new, though unnecessarily… but not something stupid that degrades previous stuff.

Some Force Abilities are bound to be more potent then others. I don’t see how that’s stupid or “degrading” to other force powers.

Alderaan said:

OK that sounds like a pro-prequel argument. Reminds me of the RLM review of Attack of the Clones, where everyone has a health bar next to them on the screen and the story and the fights are all about whose force trick is the coolest.

Well this time we have good plot and characters so why shouldn’t we up the anti while we’re at it? Keeps The Force from becoming stale and after 6 movies of seeing the same shit I want to see something new.

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

So they went into battle with non-lethal riot control gear? And one of them used this non-lethal riot control gear in the middle of a chaotic battle to call out and fight a dude with a lightsaber?

I really disliked that scene. Now it makes even less sense.

Yeah…that doesn’t make a lick of sense. You would think the First Order would just modify the thing to deliver a lethal voltage.

DuracellEnergizer said:
(That’s if I don’t find TFA too abhorant.).

God bless you.

Mithrandir said:
It’s still the same. They are still raising the bar.

Since it’s a sequel they damn well better be raising the bar. Why should Force Lightning, Force Pushes/pulls, Force Speed, Tutaminis, enhanced speed/strength/agility due to forced based physical augmentation be the extent one can use The Force? In terms of variation to the EU the Force Abilities shown in Episodes I - VI are not even comparable. It’s time for something new.

Mithrandir said:

Kylo’s abilities could have been below Darth Vader’s without any trouble to the plot. If this ST happens in a sort of “dark age” after the fall of the Empire, then all abilities should be somewhat diminished.

Like a scientist in the Middle Ages, Kylo could have been inferior to all his predecessors, have worshiped the knowledge of older ages and desperately try to reach it while still being considerably superior to his peers in the time he lived in.

It’s not an objective failure of the movie though, but more of an absolutely subjective I would have done it differently.

Or what’s even more likely is that Snoke is ancient and had been teaching Kylo ancient Sith techniques

Smoking Lizard said:

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t know how Kylo Ren freezing a blaster bolt in midair is a bad thing.

Corny? Sure, it appeals big to the 10-year-olds and the hardened comic book readers in the audience, but for many of the fans of the original, un-specialized trilogy, it’s over the top.

There’s this fine line in space fantasy movies: It’s OK to stretch the imagination, but it’s easy to go too far and then insult the intelligence. Cool quickly becomes silly.

There is a subtlety to the Force in the first two movies. The Force grants powers that aren’t so, well, garish, for lack of a better word. But now, it seems, anything goes.

Star Wars is fast approaching Sharknado.

I can understand if Kylo used the Force to transform into a monster or something but freezing a blasterbolt midair is not even that big a jump from tutaminis.

8.2/10

Smoking Lizard said:

DominicCobb said:

Do you complain about every aspect of every movie you watch or just this one?

Just bad ones.

I don’t know how Kylo Ren freezing a blaster bolt in midair is a bad thing.

Bosk said:
Why does Ren bother to wear a mask?

He wears the mask for instilling fear even though he isn’t all that powerful yet. He’s also doing it because Granddaddy Vader did.

Bosk said:

2. The poor humour

Seriously? 3/3 times I saw the film people were in the theater laughing their asses off. Not only that but even people who nitpicked the movie more then you did seemed to have no problem with the comedy in the film.

Bosk said:
Why does Ren worship Vader

Read Lords of The Sith and you’ll understand

Bosk said:
Where did Snoke come from?

I don’t know but how is this on a list of bad things about TFA? We didn’t know shitall about Palpatine in the OT so why is it now an issue that we don’t know anything about Snoke? Also most importantly does the plot require us to know all about Snoke now? Absolutely not because that needs to take place in the sequels

Bosk said:
The seemingly endless Falcon shots.

Implying there weren’t a lot of Falcon shots in the OT. Also this is a nitpick and considering some of the other stuff on this list that’s saying a lot

Bosk said:
All the rehashed stuff from OT, chess table

Seeing as how this takes place only 30 years later in the same Galaxy things, people or places are bound to be referenced to

SilverWook said:

His interrogation technique is Force based as well. Something Vader apparently never tried on Leia.

If Snoke is as ancient as I suspect, he may have been teaching some long forgotten knowledge to Ren.

Kylo Ren’s saber is of ancient design

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Who is Rey?

I don’t know. Sounds like some guy’s name?

Ok Bosk, now who is on crack?

Rey? Is that the new Sith?

You never know where she will end up by the end of the Trilogy

RicOlie_2 said:

SilverWook said:

And Vader never held a blaster bolt in mid air like that. Ren’s potential is actually frightening.

Unlike many who dislike the film, I had no problem with that. I don’t think of Ren as being more powerful because of it, though. Perhaps different Force users tap into the Force in different ways. We never saw Vader zapping people with lightning, or Palpatine/the Emperor choking people. What cheapened him for me was his lack of proficiency with a lightsaber–against people who had never held one before.

and even Finn held his own for a little while.

Watch the movie again dude…Finn got destroyed. I literally just watched the leaked lightsaber fight scene on Facebook. Yes Finn get’s a lucky hit in like Luke got on Vader in ESB but that’s it. The rest of the fight Ren had Finn on the defensive and any offense from Finn was easily dodged and was equally parried/blocked.

SilverWook said:

And Vader never held a blaster bolt in mid air like that. Ren’s potential is actually frightening.

Not only that his pain tolerance is pretty high. I mean not only did he survive being shot by Chewie’s bowcaster (which we know would have killed anyone else) he then went on to wreck Finn and he dominated Rey until she tapped into The Force.

imperialscum said:

John Doom said:

Yeah… It doesn’t matter if he’ll be a better villain in Ep.VIII, I still feel there’s no actual villain in TFA, so I can’t say it’s a good movie to me, it doesn’t have what I like to see in a movie.

It also doesn’t have a clear main character, the usually complaint about TPM.

Who is Rey?

John Doom said:

Yeah… It doesn’t matter if he’ll be a better villain in Ep.VIII, I still feel there’s no actual villain in TFA, so I can’t say it’s a good movie to me, it doesn’t have what I’m like to see in a movie.

You should care because there’s going to be a trilogy.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
Let’s say he’s flawed for the sake of the next movies, I’m ok with it. But the problem is still the same: there’s no actual threat I felt in TFA. […]

If you felt he wasn’t a threat then the film makers did their job

Good for them. I guess it’s just not my kind of movie, then: I like movies with adventure and mystery, but different kind of tension and drama, it’s subjective.

I’m not sure what adventure and mystery have to do with a villain being a threat but you’re entitled to your opinion. If he completes his training by the time Episode VIII takes place he will be a monster. He showed a lot of potential in TFA

John Doom said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

John Doom said:

consequence of a not-so-good writing, to me.

Lawrence Kasdan… what a hack…

Kasdan is an artist, but brainstorming at Lucasfilm must’ve not gone very well, if the best villain they decided to make him write was Ren. No villain, not a good movie, to me.

Lord Haseo said:
I don’t think you understand what the character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be . Kylo Ren is not supposed to be a good villain yet. He is a mentally unstable kid who masquerades as someone who has power like Vader but has yet to be fully trained.

Also not so good writing has nothing to do with it. The writer’s made him a would be Darksider because part of his arc will be him becoming exponentially stronger in the sequels.

Let’s say he’s flawed for the sake of the next movies, I’m ok with it. But the problem is still the same: there’s no actual threat I felt in TFA.

btw, happy New Year from Italy!

If you felt he wasn’t a threat then the film makers did their job

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:
I find it funny how people will complain that the film didn’t do anything different, and then go on to complain about the things that JJ did that were actually different.

This exactly summarizes my frustration with a sizable percentage of our fandom. If it isn’t that people are nitpicking about things that don’t pertain to the film in it’s totality.

Alderaan said:
He got weaker in the dark side as the film went along though. That’s the problem some people have with this character. It would have been so easy to fix too. He should have just wasted Finn, then play-fought Rey, only allowing her to live because he’s attracted to her, or he wants to train her or something. Then she taps into the force and fights him off for just a moment, then deus-ex-machina, the ground opens up and she escapes. Kylo would still be a threatening obstacle heading into the next film, and his arc wouldn’t have blown up.

“Yes, yes! To Alderaan you listen. The Starkiller Base. Remember Ren’s failure at the Starkiller Base!”. Ren is a problem, not TFA not being enought like ANH.
As far as I know, every movie has its villain, even if it’s not an actual character (unless it’s a documentary, maybe 😄 ). I’m not against Ren not being like Vader, but that there’s barely any threat in TFA: it’s not about making TFA like ANH, it’s just that he’s a bad villain, consequence of a not-so-good writing, to me.

I don’t think you understand what the character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be . Kylo Ren is not supposed to be a good villain yet. He is a mentally unstable kid who masquerades as someone who has power like Vader but has yet to be fully trained.

Also not so good writing has nothing to do with it. The writer’s made him a would be Darksider because part of his arc will be him becoming exponentially stronger in the sequels.

TV’s Frink said:

Mithrandir said:

Mixed feelings for TFA. Like paying a visit to old elementary school classrooms, where you remembered things to be different than they actually are when you come back as an adult. There were more things I didn’t like, than the ones I liked; I think this film was a missed oportunity to actually having done something different. But in the end it’s star wars, and better this than nothing.

I find it funny how people will complain that the film didn’t do anything different, and then go on to complain about the things that JJ did that were actually different.

This exactly summarizes my frustration with a sizable percentage of our fandom. If it isn’t that people are nitpicking about things that don’t pertain to the film in it’s totality.

Bosk said:

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:

When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.

We’re not supposed to take Kylo Ren seriously because like Luke he has yet to finish his training. Once he does there’s no telling how stronger he will become. Also seeing as how he has fully given himself to the dark side the worrisome traits he has exhibited are going to be exponentially worse. I see Kylo Ren as an idea that has yet to be fully realized.

Bearing in mind the next film will also be a kiddy film

Where did you hear that fallacious garbage from?