Lord Haseo

1. The Empire Strikes Back

2. The Force Awakens (in terms of characters, dialogue, acting, action, a layered/compelling villain, special effects, comedy and the way it sets up Episodes XIII and IX TFA is vastly superior and in general is a more ENJOYABLE film to watch than STAR WARS)

3. STAR WARS (has a better plot than TFA but falls short in just about every other way)

4. Return of The Jedi (great resolution to the OT but Ewoks kill the pacing and Death Star 2.0 was unnecessary)

5. Revenge of The Sith

6. The Phantom Menace

7. Attack of The Clones

Bingowings said:
My suspicion is that after receiving their first wave of training a force user will make a shocking boss/family discovery which will throw them off guard in the next episode.

Wrong. Colin Trevorrow has stated that Rey’s origin will be explained in Episode IX

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.

Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.

Because that lightsaber has history…and if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker it’s hers by birthright

Oh dear! This is the last thing we need. If they do something as stupid as this, ST will be much worse than PT.

lack of originality

What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?

It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New?

Something new wasn’t warranted. Plot wise Anakin’s lightsaber makes a lot more sense than for her Force Abilities to be awakened by some Anonymous Jedi/Sith’s saber.

Don’t be ridiculous…

Is this supposed to be ironic or something? If so I don’t get it…

Bingowings said:
I wouldn’t mind the baton of Anakin’s saber being passed down if it hadn’t been so decisively discarded in ESB.

Fair point but remember it was discarded…not destroyed

Perhaps Lucas wanted it to appear in his version of the ST

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.

Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.

Because that lightsaber has history…and if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker it’s hers by birthright

lack of originality

What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?

It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New?

Something new wasn’t warranted. Plot wise Anakin’s lightsaber makes a lot more sense than for her Force Abilities to be awakened by some Anonymous Jedi/Sith’s saber.

Clearly Vader’s lightsaber could have fallen to a safe place.

imperialscum said:

ZkinandBonez said:

imperialscum said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/894340

Well, Luke being thrown out seemed more like bad luck (or good luck depending on how you see it) considering he was sucked into one tube first, then fell through a hatch that shrew him outside.
We don’t know where that first tube would have taken him.
Not to mention that SW architecture is well know for not making any logical sense, and being there more for the sake of plot, aesthetic, etc. Luke simply got sucked into that shaft because if he hadn’t there’d be no ROTJ. Plot-wise it makes sense, Luke decided to sacrifice himself rather than join Vader, but as luck or faith (the Force?) would have it he survived to fight another day/movie. And him ending up on the antenna was both a way to add even more suspense, as well as a clever way to get him out of the city and in a position that was more accessible to the Falcon.

Admittedly “being there for the sake of the plot” is too generous anyway as it adds nothing to the plot. It just there for the sake of “playing the nostalgia card” and lack of originality.

It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.

lack of originality

What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?

DominicCobb said:

TavorX said:

Edit: I should make it clear that I’ve only seen TFA once.

Well there’s your problem.

That’s definitely a problem. There is so much I have picked up on in my 3 other viewings of TFA that completely eluded me in my first viewing. Also every time I watched it again I liked the soundtrack a bit more.

I hope TavorX at least got to see it in IMAX.

John Doom said:

btw do you guys think that there should’ve been more scenes involving the Republic? I know there was one with Leia, but it was cut. Do you think more scenes would’ve improved TFA, adding to the background and making the Republic’s planet’s destruction more moving?

Absolutely. It would have been nice to The Republic’s initial response to the destruction of the Hosnian system . Perhaps The Republic could have in turn authorized the deployment of the Republic Fleet. We could have also been introduced to a character/s who are going to be clamoring over each other for power.

Also the lack of The Knights of Ren bugged me too.

John Doom said:

If you feel it’s trolling, just ignore it, what else? O.o

It’s hard to ignore it when you can’t discern whether it is trolling or a genuine opinion. It’s hard to ignore when people blur the lines between trolling and facts such as the fact that millions of people think Kylo Ren was a whiner just because of the meme culture.

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

I also loved how in that brief scene they established Poe and Finn being friends far better than us being told Anakin and Obi-Wan were friends in the Prequels.

yet it happens quite casually and seemingly naturally in TFA with Pe & Finn.

And then again with Finn and Rey. While I believe that they’re not meant for each other romantically their friendship was developed pretty well. I mean even though they barely knew each other I could feel genuine woe emanating from Rey as Finn was being dragged off by a Rathtar.

Yes, you can see and feel that moment where Rey thinks that this man Finn, shows genuinely concern for her - something she may not have been used to on Jakku in her environment before and seems taken aback by it, and this, amongst other scenes is obviously strengthened by him Han and Chewy coming to try and free her on Starbase Killer later on. Her scenes with an injured Finn just before she leaves to find Luke was very well played too.

All this makes me wonder how Finn would react if she turned to the dark side because it’s quite possible that the next time they meet she’ll be a darksider. The only reason I say this is because I think the Finn/Poe dynamic will become more prominent due to Rey training with Luke.

John Doom said:
I was referring to those who keep saying that loving this or hating that is wrong, incomprehensible, absurd, and so on. This way they make discussing about actually something very hard, at the point that some, tired of this, would rather leave the thread.

If I told you that Jake Lloyd was the best part of the Saga how are you supposed to argue against that? There’s not much you can say to someone who holds such an obscure opinion.

Plus in this day and age it’s VERY hard to differentiate trolling from someone’s actual opinion.

John Doom said:

I can’t say if her acting was good because I saw it in Italian and… I hate so say this, but after 6 dubbings directed by great professionals, this is the first Star Wars movie with a pretty mediocre dubbing in both acting and translation.

Bingowings said:

I am getting a bit tired of this thread being more about bashing the people commenting on it than about the films and the comments themselves.
Some people hold opinions about the film that some people don’t share.
Get over it.

but nobody should force anybody to either agree or “leave”.

I don’t remember anyone telling anyone else to leave or anything alluding to that.

ray_afraid said:

Yes it is. Many of the movies on that list weren’t made to be taken seriously anyway.

No it’s not. Compared to Avatar The Last Airbender and the DBZ movie AOTC and TPM are pretty damn good films in comparison.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

For the most part IMDB is pretty much on point when it comes to Star Wars reviews.

Hmmm…

TPM 6.5
AOTC 6.7
ROTS 7.6

The rent isn’t the only thing that’s too damn high.

ROTS is kind of too high but TPM and AOTC are about right. Those two weren’t that bad. Watch a few of IHE’s Search For The Worst videos and you’ll see what genuinely terrible movies are.

AOTC not that bad?

6.7 is generous.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxOKy-G3phBomkGrPJuQwUawQmS_1ysNN

In comparison to some of these it’s not that bad.

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, the “Traitor!” trooper, whom the fans have nicknamed “TR-8R”, has apparently been given a backstory.
It’s hardly important news, but I did find it somewhat amusing.
(Btw, his canon name is a lot more boring than TR-8R.)

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/01/star-wars-the-force-awakens-traitor-trooper-officially-named-given-backstory.html

Yay, more needless backstory to kill any and all mystique to the SW Universe.

It’s just a stormtrooper…

TheWanderingNomad said:

I thought they did a great job at casting especially when it comes to Daisy Ridley. Who would have thought that such an unknown would give such a great performance.

I thought she was quite ‘wooden’ very much like prequel characters but each to their own, must be difficult acting to thin air though.

You might be the only person on the planet who feels this way. It’s certainly not an “each their own” situation.

Several reviewers said she was quite wooden – The Evening Standard review really slated her.

Pretty sure he was talking about the population at large. Just about everyone and their grandmother thinks Daisy can act her ass off. Also there were negative reviews of ESB so a few lonely contrarians doesn’t really amount to much.

TheWanderingNomad said:
where she puts her hand over her mouth, being the most cringeworthy example of this

In her defense has anyone been able to do that convincingly? Because whenever someone does that in a game/movie/show it always takes me out of the experience.

Also if that’s the worst example of her “wooden” acting that shows how good of a performance she gave because the seemingly worse thing she did is a million times better than all of the cringe worthy shit Hayden pulled off in both of his performances.

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

I am getting a bit tired of this thread being more about bashing the people commenting on it than about the films and the comments themselves.
Some people hold opinions about the film that some people don’t share.
Get over it.

There’s a fine line between opinion and insanity.

Let’s not forget hyperbole and or half truths

Bingowings said:

I am getting a bit tired of this thread being more about bashing the people commenting on it than about the films and the comments themselves.
Some people hold opinions about the film that some people don’t share.
Get over it.

Well I’m tired of people saying asinine things and expect to be fully shielded from scrutiny just because they used the word “opinion”.

Plus a lot of us tried honest discussion.

Bosk said:

Lord Haseo said:

Bosk said:

Lord Haseo said:

Bosk said:

He’s got better as he’s aged

Yes he has and hopefully the same happens to Daisy

And I’ve already stated several times, I like good films.

I think so long as preconceived notions aren’t in your mind while watching a good film you’d like it.

Nah I watch a film and when it’s finished I make a cognitive choice.

Bosk said:
No new star wars film will EVER match ESB

When it comes to Star Wars that doesn’t seem to be the case. That and even your signature are highly indicative of a closed minded person.

After seeing 4 episodes of Star Wars I didn’t like, with star wars, yes it’s all over.

Unfortunately

Good. I’m glad that you can’t enjoy it.

It’s likely that Kylo will be inheriting Vader’s lightsaber once he completes his training.

Bosk said:

Lord Haseo said:

Bosk said:

He’s got better as he’s aged

Yes he has and hopefully the same happens to Daisy

And I’ve already stated several times, I like good films.

I think so long as preconceived notions aren’t in your mind while watching a good film you’d like it.

Nah I watch a film and when it’s finished I make a cognitive choice.

Bosk said:
No new star wars film will EVER match ESB

When it comes to Star Wars that doesn’t seem to be the case. That and even your signature are highly indicative of a closed minded person.

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

I also loved how in that brief scene they established Poe and Finn being friends far better than us being told Anakin and Obi-Wan were friends in the Prequels.

yet it happens quite casually and seemingly naturally in TFA with Pe & Finn.

And then again with Finn and Rey. While I believe that they’re not meant for each other romantically their friendship was developed pretty well. I mean even though they barely knew each other I could feel genuine woe emanating from Rey as Finn was being dragged off by a Rathtar.

Bosk said:

He’s got better as he’s aged

Yes he has and hopefully the same happens to Daisy

And I’ve already stated several times, I like good films.

I think so long as preconceived notions aren’t in your mind while watching a good film you’d like it.

Bosk said:

Well the revenant has several nominations and it is indeed a fine film with some really good acting.

For one I’m actually surprised you think something other than the OT has value.

Secondly, comparing Daisy to someone like Leo is like comparing Count Dooku to Darth Sidious. Sure Daisy is more than adept at acting but you can’t compare someone like her (who barely has any experience) to a seasoned actor like Leo.