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Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks
Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.
Oh…but even uttering such a thing can warp the fabric of reality as we know it.
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The Falcon looks weird
Rey’s face looks especially weird. It looks like someone hit her with a shovel a few times.
For the sake of keeping Adywan’s thread somewhat neat just please stop being a pest please.
That post works so well with your avatar lol
I love Michael Cera. But he ain’t no Han Solo.
To me no one else but Harrison will truly be Han. The guy who does the pretty good impression is the only one I can see coming close.
He’s the spitting image!
grammar =/= spelling mistakes
Also not putting a space after a period is just plain lazy.
TV’s Frink said:
and I don’t have an issue with those who gave it a chance and decided it wasn’t for them.
I wish more people were like that. I mean I loathe the idea of a Han Solo movie but I’m going to see it before I call it garbage. I may even see it twice before rendering my verdict.
“Us” as in most fans of the OT. Well at least those who won’t dismiss the ST just on the basis that it’s not the OT.
As far as depth goes it’s a bit deeper than STAR WARS was. Especially when it comes to the villain aspect of the films.
Wonder what this could be about.
But what if the sequels have different situations our heroes must go through but still rely on the Star Wars formula (blaster shootouts, space/land battles, lightsaber duels, chases etc.)?
It would be good!
“Better” is the word I’d use but I’m sure given that the main criticism of TFA is that it was too similar to the OT the film makers will craft a new plot for the future films. TFA got us back into the universe we all love, now it’s time for the sequels to tell a more original and hopefully deeper story.
But what if the sequels have different situations our heroes must go through but still rely on the Star Wars formula (blaster shootouts, space/land battles, lightsaber duels, chases etc.)?
As long as Miles Teller is out of the running I can breath a little easier.
Amen to that. That would have been a deal breaker for me. I’d rather have Michael Cera play a young Han than him.
Isn’t ROTS Vader in the ESB part of the photo?
Luke is swinging a lightsaber into dozens of people but none of them receive visible injuries
Come on, these are supposed to be kid friendly movies.
Oh really now?
don’t you think he should have spares lying around?
Not really, at least not identical ones.
Kind of like Vader? In all 3 films Vader wore slightly different helmets.
We’ve seen that there doesn’t seem to be a standard issue Knight of Ren helmet
Well he is the Master of the organization…
and if he built it, it would be a bad narrative choice to have him craft a new one that’s exactly the same as the old one after he’s lost it in this life changing experience.
Lol what? What if he’s just fond of the mask?
I think it’s possible he’ll end up with something very similar, especially if it was an existing piece that he repurposed rather than something he forged himself, but I think it will be tweaked to some extent.
I posted this in another thread but I wouldn’t mind something like this.
But what I don’t want is something similar to the Jedi Killer concept art.
joefavs said:
I’m betting he’ll have a distinctly different mask (if he has one at all)
The mask is already iconic (even though the character isn’t at this juncture) and there’s no reason why they should leave out such a terrifying mask. Plus don’t you think he should have spares lying around?
and a more traditional saber the next time we see him.
Perhaps. Maybe he’ll get Vader’s once he completes his training.
ZkinandBonez said:
Maybe KoR originates from the Church of the Force? For all we know there could have been a religious war going on in the thirty years between ROTJ and TFA.
The KoR were originally called “The Seven Light” in the visual dictionary so that’s entirely possible.
That’s an interesting thought. It hadn’t even occurred to me that Rey might have seen into the future.
Well in the Force Vision she also sees Kylo Ren popping from behind a tree where their confrontation later takes place on SKB. Funny thing is though that Kylo Ren had his mask on in the vision but not when the actual fight went down.
I’m also quite intrigued by what a “monk of Ren” implies.
It’s been rumored that the KoR are like the Church of The Force; non force sensitives that worship The Force. Maybe this Monk is the only KoR with the exception of Kylo that can draw upon The Force.
These guys need to play a pivotal role in the plot of the sequels.
I’d love to see this battle unfold and it’s been confirmed that this not the slaughter of Luke’s students. I wonder if this could be the climax of Episode IX.
They probably would be playing Visions From The Darkside
Song has an amazing main riff.
John Doom said:
The movie “remixes” most of the plot points from the OT, from another droid on another classified mission, to the destruction of the Nth DS-alike.
Luckily the film is not as overt in it’s mirroring than it is with the whole put droid in Mcguffin and most everything SKB related.
That’s much more ROTJ dared to do back in the days with DSII.
For how shitty SKB was it did differentiate itself quite a bit in a way Dearth Star 2.0 didn’t. Also the destruction of the Hosnian System and the Republic Fleet is going to ripple throughout the rest of the ST whereas Alderaan was just there to show how evil The Empire was.
Let’s not forget the fact that Death Star 2.0 was an integral part of the plot in ROTJ whereas SKB is kind of there for a second and then is kind of sidelined. Even it’s destruction is just background noise to the Han. Kylo Ren, Finn and Rey drama.
There’s a world of difference between:
-trying to make something unique by building on different sources and putting them in a new context;
-building mainly on itself, especially when recreating the same plot points.
The intent doesn’t really matter when you can look back and still see that ideas and plot points were taken from another project. Remixed or not. I mean STAR WARS taking stuff from multiple films (whether it be small things like stealing the opening crawl straight from Flash Gordan to bigger stuff like nearly stealing/reworking entire plot points like in Dam Busters) and TFA’s mirroring of the OT still doesn’t bother me but I won’t justify it.
Stopping remixing events from earlier films from the same series would be the first step into the right direction for most of us: I remember asking about this here sometime ago, and people said they don’t want Disney/LF to keep remixing for the next episodes.
I agree. Mirroring of the OT should be nil in the sequels, but if they are going to create new stories they’re going to have to find a way to make it still feel like Star Wars. Because in the next films assuming they’re mostly original (and even if they’re great films) the next big complaint is that they don’t feel like Star Wars.
When people moan about how Rey was able to take down Kylo, then i wonder if they properly watched the film. There are clues throughout and it’s all there on screen. For one , Kylo had just killed his own Father. You can see his focus wasn’t there after he did that. Then Chewie shot him with his crossbow. The same weapon that was able to blast stormtroopers and flip them through the air. He took a direct hit. Then, when he confronts them, you see how wounded he is. Against Finn, he is toying with him. But as soon as Finn manages to get a strike to injure Kylo, he quickly dispenses with Finn. Then we have Rey. Kylo has been ordered by Snoke to bring her to him. So he is hardly going to try to kill her. She isn’t exactly doing very well at first either. He pretty much has the upper hand. He has her at the edge of the newly formed cliff and then he mentions about the force. And this is when she becomes powerful against him. But wait, look back in the film and remember the speech that Maz gave her. She told her " close your eyes. Feel it. The light. It’s always been there. It will guide you". And guess what? She remembers this. closes her eyes and lets the force in to guide her. Then she is powerful enough to defeat Kylo. Even though he had had training, he was pretty injured. We also know nothing of Reys origins yet.
As if I didn’t have enough reasons to.
TFA ripped off Star Wars; the overall plot,
It remixed the plot. In STAR WARS the overall plot was to destroy the Death Star; in TFA the overall plot was to find Luke.
Though, after all that it borrowed, it still managed to be an original film, because of it’s design.
No, it seems like one because of it’s design when it wasn’t wholly original.
It took a whole lot from older sources, and then built on them.
One can argue TFA does exactly the same things in a lot of regards. Especially when it comes to scenes like Maz’s Castle or the Han and Kylo Ren confrontation.
You can’t give one specific thing that Star Wars was ripping off, because it wasn’t a ripoff.
Did you see the Dam Busters video I posted?
because straying too much from the original films makes it hardly a SW film, but being close makes it feel unoriginal.
That’s a difficult line to walk across. Even if Episodes VIII and IX are mostly original there will be people who will not like it because they think it doesn’t feel enough like Star Wars. But there’s no way to make everyone happy. Not in this day and age anyway and especially not with the fandom in question.
The thing is, Star Wars wasn’t ripping off itself.
So ripping off isn’t bad so long as it’s you’re ripping off stuff from other films?
It wasn’t original, but it was paying homage to it’s bases
But where exactly do you draw the line in the sand between paying homage and ripping off?
Nobody ever said that Star Wars was original in the first place.
That’s not true and you know it. Not only do people claim STAR WARS was groundbreaking and original a lot of those people also say that the PT has a leg up on TFA in some regards because it was original as well even though TPM mirrored STAR WARS in a more overt ways than TFA did.
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And some of those characters are filling old roles in a blatantly obvious way.
Well Rey is set up to be the new Jedi of the series (but they might turn her to the Dark Side so that role may change) and the new captain of the Millennium Falcon and Poe is just a resistance pilot. If there’s any role he’s blatantly taking at this point it’s Wedge’s and Finn…we don’t know where Finn is going to go specifically.
