Lord Haseo

imperialscum said:

theMaestro said:

From the moment the crawl came onto the screen, I was hooked by the story. “Luke Skywalker has vanished”. Immediately my eyes were wide open and I wanted to know what would happen next. The film kept this level of intrigue up for a while.

I agree. A very good point. Luke’s plot element is completely misleading and utterly useless in the end. It makes the film look like some sales fraud. It initially gives you this very intersting hint about the content that is evetually not in the product. What we get in the end is a blah blah blah of Star Wars with absolutely nothing about (what could be a very interesting) Luke’s plot element.

How? He did vanish and he is found at the end of the film. I have literally no idea what you’re talking about.

DuracellEnergizer said:

1. The abysmal waste of Max von Sydow. This man (who just happens to be one of my favourite actors, BTW) was in The Seventh Seal, for Christ’s sakes; give him a role worthy of his talents!

It felt insulting to have him die in the first scene of the film. Add to the fact that if fleshed out his character could have been a memorable one.

The only reason I can conjure up as to why they killed him off is because the man is 86.

Scott109 said:
The Force Awakens was a thinly disguised remake of A New Hope

There are a lot of similarities but there are a lot of differences that make it more than some poorly disguised Remake. It’s a soft remake at best.

a less coherent plot

Barely but I agree

and one-dimensional cardboard cutout characters.

You’re going to need to elaborate because Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren were all layered characters. If anyone was lacking in terms of being layered it was Poe.

Finn is far too nice for someone who was conditioned to mercilessly kill innocents from childhood.

I think me and Silverwook more than refuted that point in the other thread.

Rey is far too perfect at everything.

Rey is not perfect at anything; that’s another hyperbolic statement. She’s really good at mechanics but she accidentally released the Rathtars, she’s okay at flying but almost crashed the Falcon BEFORE the chase even started and skidded it across the ground when being chased which is something Han or Luke would do on an off day. Especially considering Han Solo is the man who flew through an asteroid field like it was nothing. She’s easily the worst shot with a blaster on our roster of heroes and the only reason she won the lightsaber duel is because of extenuating circumstances. As it pertains to her abilities in the Force she is a fast learner but then again Luke was able to deflect 3 bolts from a training droid by just being told to stretch out with his feelings and blew up the Death Star.

I prefer the whiny Luke from A New Hope or the creepy Anakin from Attack of the Clones because at least those main characters were imperfect. At least they felt human.

Rey is naive and was reluctant to embrace her destiny. She was scared to death of Kylo Ren. Finn is just a coward who is torn between self preservation and protecting the people he cares about.

And I never wanted to see the badass Han Solo as an old, divorced deadbeat dad forced back into the smuggling business.

Well that’s life sometimes. Personally I’m glad they negated that fairy tale ending in ROTJ though I would have preferred it to be bitter sweet instead of just bitter.

2018151212 said:
Not anymore sad then somebody being so obsessed with an asshole that he would note such minor thing. Don’t you have a wife and a kid to take care of…Oh, that right!

Can you kindly take that shit the fuck out of my thread?

EDIT:

Actually better yet, take that shit to another place on the internet because we don’t need it.

Scott109 said:

• I never understood Finn’s motivation for fleeing the First Order and joining the Resistance, especially if he was conditioned from childhood to be evil.

He most likely was brought up to believe that the First Order were doing the right thing and being confronted with having to slaughter innocent people conflicted with the propoganda he was taught throughout the years. Also Finn is a good person and there’s some people you can’t tear down.

• I never understood how Rey could be so talented at everything even if she is a Skywalker and even if Luke trained her as a child before Kylo Ren wiped her memory through the Force.

She actually could have been much older when she got her mind wiped. In Kotor when the Jedi wiped Revan’s mind they gave him a life time’s worth of false memories.

Also her being able to fly (but not too well), her mechanic skills and her being able to fight all come from her living on Jakku.

• I never understood the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance.

It was stated in Hux’s speech but I didn’t really get it on my first viewing either.

• I never understood how the destruction of the Hosnian system could wipe out the entire Republic star fleet.

I’ve heard that some of it was destroyed and I have also heard that all of it was destroyed. From Hux’s speech it seems like all of it was destroyed though.

My apologies for not replying sooner; I am quite forgetful.

joefavs said:

I’m not sure we know that the Knights of Ren are necessarily Force users. After all, Kylo’s the only one who uses a lightsaber. It might be more about believing in the dark side than being able to use it, like an evil version of the Church of the Force that Lor San Tekka’s supposed to have belonged to. It would also help to explain how Kylo became their leader if the Force is something they all recognize and admire but don’t all have the ability to use.

That would be interesting but I think the Knights would be more formidable if they were users of the Dark Side. Also some of the concept art shows at least one of the having a lightsaber. But that doesn’t even confirm anything seeing as how Finn used one in TFA.

SilverWook said:
That doesn’t change the fact Lando owned the Falcon before Han did. 😉

That’s true but then again I wouldn’t want to upset a grieving Wookie. He should probably get Leia to speak for him.

dahmage said:
TFA was great, watching the Blu-ray tomorrow with a bunch of friends.

Have fun. Watched it with my mom last weekend and she enjoyed it far more that time than she did when we saw it on opening day.

The only thing TFA lacks that the PT has is George’s wild imagination and world building skills. But as far as telling a competent story with likable/layered characters Lucas didn’t showcase any of the talent he once had when making the OT.

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:

Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
Who says we like them just because they are star wars?

They didn’t have to. Their arguments spoke for them.

Though you in particular seem to stray away in some respects from the hive mind by realizing that AOTC isn’t a very good film.

I have allot of problem with most of the star wars films including TESB. I really love TPM and I would probably do even if it was the only SW movie in existence.

Ironically the only film in the series I don’t have that that many problems with is ESB. Shocking I know, but for their flaws ESB, SW, TFA and even ROTJ are still more than competent films. I can’t say the same for the PT. They have their moments but those (even in ROTS) are few and far between and worst of all they don’t respect the source material in the slightest.

SilverWook said:

John Doom said:

-Less and less Chewie and Luke, so we can focus exclusively on the new cast;

Hey, the Falcon isn’t going to co pilot itself, and Han probably left it to Chewie in his will. Unless Lando shows up to lay claim on her. 😉

After the radar fiasco? I wouldn’t bet on it.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Who cares? In Star Wars there wasn’t even a mention of “Jedi Master’s”

But there was in ESB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXNwJymretA&t=0m18s

He used the italics when spelling “Star Wars” for a reason. The film is more widely known as A New Hope but he chooses to call the film by it’s proper name.

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
Who says we like them just because they are star wars?

They didn’t have to. Their arguments spoke for them.

Though you in particular seem to stray away in some respects from the hive mind by realizing that AOTC isn’t a very good film.

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:

Lord Haseo said:

At least these PT fanboys are entertaining.

Sure WE are the fanboys…

Oh I’m sure. Liking fundamentally flawed films just because it happens to have “Star Wars” in the title is indicative of being a fanboy. It’s not like I don’t have issues with the OT or TFA.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

darthrush said:

Do yourself the favor of watching Batman and Robin.

At least that’s kinda fun. IMO, the worst film ever is Aliens vs Predator: Requiem.

I saw it wayyy the fuck before I saw Alien and Aliens so thankfully I didn’t care when it was a steaming pile of excrement.

A surprise to who? Someone who has never seen the film and doesn’t know that Adam Driver is playing Kylo Ren?

At least these PT fanboys are entertaining.

Yeah, I’d need to see more photos of the color correction before I form an opinion. Preferably a couple of shots on Takodana

darthrush said:

Worst film ever is such an over the top assessment of the film in my opinion.

Such statements are normal in this age of hyperbole being the rule and not the exception. Though in 5 years or so it’ll pass.

LuckyGungan2001 said:
I think they’re all watchable.

If you smoke some good weed maybe.

I thought you actually watched the prequels…Well at least AOTC

Smithers said:
The music ending later would make the death less predictable, thus invoking a surprise, thus invoking emotion

I didn’t think you were talking about the music in this post:

Could you also make the reveal of Kylo Ren being Han’s son a reveal? I think it would give the Han/Kylo scene more emotion.

my apologies

TK251 said:

I have been thinking for more emotion for the han death to save the planet destruction until the end. I really want huxs speech though.

The speech is nice but from a narrative perspective having the Hosnian System improves the film by a decent margin so it wouldn’t be that much of a loss in the grand scheme of things.

That_OT_Ruler said:
-Finn sucks even more with using a lightsaber

The wording makes the edit easier to swallow lol

-Cut out Chewie being injured to keep continuity with previous cut

and what of Chewie wearing the thing around his arm in the scene where Han offers Rey a job?

-Cut down Kylo chasing Rey in the forest

Can you elaborate on this one cause I think the scene is perfect the way it is.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4349w2
Han and Kylo’s confrontation - Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi Music

The music from the Immolation Scene works surprisingly well. Perfect actually but the music from ROTJ doesn’t blend in well.

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Smithers said:
Could you also make the reveal of Kylo Ren being Han’s son a reveal? I think it would give the Han/Kylo scene more emotion.

How could a twist that people saw coming way before the film came out add emotion? I can’t even wrap my mind around that one.