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Star Killer Base was definitely an overt rehash though not as overt as Death Star 2.0 and it wasn’t even as good of a plot device as the first Death Star. Luckily they put it’s destruction on the backburner for the Kylo, Han, Rey and Finn story line which was actually interesting.
May I ask how fast is your internet connection?
Outside of 4chan and (as of now) a youtube comment section the internet should not be like that.
But it is
Well a lot of people do things and behave in a way that they shouldn’t. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be mad when offensive things are said and just shrug it off as “That’s how it is”. Definitely doesn’t mean we shouldn’t chastise people like that either.
Trooperman37 said:
cantina sequence
Technically the scene in Maz’s Castle only has a visual callback. In terms of plot similarities in those scenes there are next to none.
I don’t get this image, are there really two different 3PO costumes? Or what the heck is going on…
Is it weird that the first thing I think of when seeing this is bleeding nipples?
Outside of 4chan and (as of now) a youtube comment section the internet should not be like that.
I just added in Battle Of the heroes music to the Finn V kylo V rey fight and it is sooo epic! I am uploading to vimeo now
If it turns out that Rey is the granddaughter of Obi-Wan that would turn a great idea into an amazing one.
Try try try again.
I didn’t say he had to like TFA or it’s trailer. I’m just saying to not get your hopes up. That’s all.
This film may let you down even more. You won’t know until you actually see it.
I can understand making the films look like the OT but making the films look unnatural is a concept I can’t grasp.
The only thing TFA lacks that the PT has is George’s wild imagination and world building skills. But as far as telling a competent story with likable/layered characters Lucas didn’t showcase any of the talent he once had when making the OT.
I think you have nailed why the PT is not as good as the OT. But I think that GL’s imagination is more important to the overall story than his ability to write characters which is why even though TFA has better character stories, I think it is a weaker film because the overall plot is unimaginative.
I can understand you saying that the OT is superior based on that but the PT? The PT had semi imaginative plots with piss poor execution and mostly had dull characters. And plus if you don’t care about your characters you won’t be too invested in the plot anyway.
But even then it’s just a trailer…a teaser trailer no less.
Scott109 said:
Perhaps I need to watch the film a second time to give a more objective assessment.
You should see any film more than once. Just to reaffirm your position.
A storm trooper spontaneously deciding to leave the First Order and join the Resistance is equivalent to a member of Hitler Youth deciding to leave Nazi Germany and fight for the Allies. It is conceivable, but his motivation should have been explained better.
Finn wasn’t conditioned to be evil, (evil people seldom think what they are doing is “evil”) he was conditioned to be obedient, and fed First Order propaganda. Being ordered to slaughter innocents and seeing a fellow trooper die was a major shock to his system.
History is full of people who woke up and realized they were on the wrong side, and tried to do something about it.
They could have prolonged it but there was enough for Finn to defect. Especially since he was about to be reprimanded had he actually submitted his blaster for inspection.
Luke was only able to deflect the blasts of the seeker droid and blow up the Death Star as a result of Obi-Wan’s training. Even if Luke trained Rey as a child before Kylo Ren wiped her memory, she should not have been able to subconsciously remember how to perform a Jedi mind trick as her memory was wiped.
For one blast deflection takes time. More time than just a couple of minutes. And like stated before all Obi-Wan did was tell Luke to stretch out with his feelings and to not trust his eyes. Anyone could have told him that.
As it pertains to Rey if she had her mind wiped like Revan the teaching lying dormant in her mind could have been coming back to her.
If Kylo Ren massacred the New Jedi Order, why was he unable to defeat Rey?
This has been answered on at least one occasion and you’ve ignored it. Hopefully you won’t do so again.
as an alternative we also have the fact that Rey could have had her mind wiped and is now reclaiming her suppressed skills.
BmB said:
Maybe not all the prequels, but The Phantom Menace is a good, well made film.
It’s a bad film with good intentions. At least Lucas tried with that one unlike AOTC.
Lord Haseo said:
*Judging from the teaser, this could be way more interesting than TFA.Fixed that for you.
How did that fix anything? The “judging from the trailer” part already made it a provisional statement. “Could” isn’t needed.
For one you can’t surmise the quality of a finished product just from a teaser trailer. And secondly the finished product could be not as good as the movie you’re comparing it to.
When it comes to stuff like this I try to keep my expectations at a minimum. Especially for a film such as this when I already know the outcome of. I’m hoping it’s better than TFA but I wont even consider that it could until I actually see it. No need to disappoint myself.
imperialscum said:
Main villain could have betrayed Luke just the same and Rey could later be trained by him just the same, if he was not missing/hiding in the first place (i.e., no “finding Luke” useless filler).
Well considering Rey goes off to find Luke at the end of the film and you’d have to alter the script a bit to account for that.
Also wouldn’t getting the Death Star plans to the rebels be considered as filler too? And aside from that the implications of finding Luke are different from finding a blueprint.
Judging from the teaser, this will be way
more interesting than TFA.
*Judging from the teaser, this could be way more interesting than TFA.
Fixed that for you.
Or at least do what the prequels did and give us the illusion of originality.
imperialscum said:
Remove Luke element from the film and replace map to his place with map/blueprint of the superweapon (which is film’s defacto focus anyway) and you have completely identical film.
They’re both mcguffins but unless that map/blueprint trained and was betrayed by our main villain and is presumably going to train our main protagonist I wouldn’t say they’re identical.
As I said, empty filler to bind the crap together.
Even if it were filler (somehow) how does that make the plot not about Luke? If so what the hell is the plot about? I know it isn’t about blowing up SKB because that was pretty much skipped over.
imperialscum said:
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.That’s all there needs to be. We were given the premise of the film in the opening crawl, most of the plot centered around finding Luke and he was found.
I’m still confused as to how the film has nothing to do with Luke’s plot element when the plot is about finding Luke. That doesn’t even make sense.
The film pretends that finding Luke is the main plot. In reality, it is just an empty filler to find together rather unrelated SW rehash elements.
Then why are most of the actions everyone does in the film related to finding the map to Luke?
With The Force Awakens mimicking the original Star Wars so much I’m not sure where else the story could go other than continue to copy the first three films.
That’s assuming Episodes VIII and IX will be soft remakes as well. Which is something we can’t assume considering how many people didn’t like how TFA was so similar to SW.
Kylo should have no redemption.
I agree wholeheartedly. Makes things more interesting
No more heroes getting their limbs cut off.
Well with Finn getting his back sliced up you may get your wish on that one. Hopefully they continue to experiment with new ways of harming/killing people with a lightsaber.
imperialscum said:
And that is pretty much all there is to it. In other words, almost nothing.
That’s all there needs to be. We were given the premise of the film in the opening crawl, most of the plot centered around finding Luke and he was found.
I’m still confused as to how the film has nothing to do with Luke’s plot element when the plot is about finding Luke. That doesn’t even make sense.
