Lord Haseo

Oh please, if we were to tally all of the broken fingers, hands and legs people should be having in films and TV Shows almost none of them would seem beleivable in that department. The fact that she got knocked out twice in the film indicates that she can be hurt. Also what are you going to say when Kylo defeats her in in a fair fight in TLJ? That they’re backtacking or something? I’m interested in seeing how people are going to try to twist this one.

Darth Id said:

GlastoEls said:

Rey needs Luke for her training…

Why would she need any training? She’s invincible.

She sure is

EDIT:

Wish I could have found a higher quality gif but she was pretty invincible here too. Yahweh would be destroyed if Rey even so much as glanced in his direction.

NeverarGreat said:

So many people on social media are saying that TLJ teaser was boring, but that’s what people said of ESB, so I’m looking forward to a more thoughtful, more mystically tuned entry. Also, Skellig Michael has the very real potential to be my favorite Star Wars location of all time.

The teaser should have gave away the whole plot and had 4 more explosions. That would have made a good teaser.

I don’t know whether to be baffled or angry so I’ll take the middle path and not give a fuck.

Anchorhead said:

Lord Haseo said:
Honestly I can’t wrap my brain around this way of thinking even if I were omniscient.

I’ll try not to take that personally.

Don’t as I am merely being hyperbolic.

Anchorhead said:

Lord Haseo said:

Anchorhead said:
Everything comes across as a bit too much.

The only thing that I can think of is the space slug but aside from that the story telling, character portrayals, themes etc. were elevated as any continuation should.

No arguments here. Fact is, I never wanted a continuation or any character growth. As I sat in the theater every week in 1977, Star Wars was perfect. It had a beginning, a middle , and an end. I never once gave any thought to a continuation of the story. It only makes sense that the continuation (eventually) disappointed me. It’s the same reason I’ve never seen the sequels to ALIEN, Jaws, or Back To The Future. Those weren’t stories that needed to be continued. They were closed when I walked out of the theater.

Honestly I can’t wrap my brain around this way of thinking even if I were omniscient.

In the interest of “getting it”, the disappointment you feel with Rogue One is the same disappointment I’ve been feeling for 37 years.

I have said certain aspects of Rogue One (mainly the paper thin characters) disappointed me but never have I said that the film as a whole disappointed me.

Anchorhead said:
Everything comes across as a bit too much.

The only thing that I can think of is the space slug but aside from that the story telling, character portrayals, themes etc. were elevated as any continuation should.

Han is even cooler (but lacking the edge that made him interesting in Star Wars77), the princess was even tougher, Luke was nothing like the farm boy we’d met before

Luke and Han go through character arcs in the OT and both still retained a great deal of their personality traits from STAR WARS. Han’s wit, selflessness and his hatred for droids all made a return as did Luke’s whining, self doubt and overall disposition. Had their characters stayed stagnant my level of investment with them would have decreased exponentially by ROTJ.

and Vader went from military henchman answering to several others to now answering to no one and all but running the Empire single-handed.

It should have been that way from the jump which is why I appreciate that Kylo Ren doesn’t give a single fuck about Hux or his Troopers because his agenda supersedes the trivial aspirations of some Military man who isn’t even attuned to the Force. Also since Tarkin died aboard the Death Star it was a good time for Vader to swoop on in; his eagerness to assume a more commanding presence in the Empire would have no doubt been exacerbated when he found out his offspring still lived.

For me, Rogue One is the installment that best fits with Star Wars77.

Eh, Rogue One has so many flaws that it doesn’t matter to me that it fits more with the spirit of STAR WARS. I just care about the quality of the writing and Empire blows Rogue One out of the water in every aspect say for moral ambiguity but that’s not saying much as Rogue One more or less skimmed over it.

I think if there is to be any persuading on Rey’s part it will be in their first scene but it’s possible it takes a few scenes to convince him. I hope not as the ball needs to get rolling and him needing to be convinced would make it seems as though he truly abandoned everyone he loved.

timdiggerm said:

So, does anyone else think those books might be the Journals of the Whills?

Also, do you think they’ll kill Leia?

The journal was mentioned in the TFA novelization…

Mocata said:

Hah they didn’t pay all that money for it just to be passive

That is true and as long as they keep putting out quality films I won’t be complaining at the rate they’re released 😉

Mocata said:

Well they are already doing the annual release thing now. Will they restrain themselves? I think it’s unlikely unless they have real concerns about the bubble bursting. Maybe they will not do the Marvel thing which has TWO annually now, but releasing less is another thing entirely. Unless they need that Christmas release window for another product line.

I would prefer Disney release Star Wars films on a bi yearly basis with episodic films coming every 3 years with at least 5 years time separation (IRL) between trilogies. I can’t see them being even this reserved or passive.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

You’re right actually. If you dislike TFA and Rogue One because of reasons XYZ that’s fine but there are people who hate those films because because of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the films themselves. It stands the reason that someone who is grown should be able to not let outside shit influence their opinions but I just don’t know anymore.

I can only speak for myself. I dislike the Disney movies and think they are bad movies for legitimate filmmaking and screenwriting reasons. But if that were it, they would just be bad movies and who cares.

The problem is Disney bought Star Wars, and is turning it into the dancing Vader disco nonsense, giving us the finger when we ask for the OOT, and instead pulling these bait and switches.

It’s actually more along the lines of the US Government’s attitude toward the UFO phenomenon before 2000 as in they’re not really acknowledging the shit.

You want the OOT? What’s that? Don’t you mean you really want to watch a trailer for our new movie? Yeah! Ok 😃

Well truth is not everyone knows, wants or cares about the original version being in High Definition but for a guy like me I wanted both and only got one of these things. The second one more than made up for it though 😉

Plus I know we won’t be getting the OUT until 2020 at least. I can’t even get mad about it…not yet at least.

For some there seems to be a debate as to whether they’re going in a Grey direction with the ST and to me there is no doubt as to where they’re going with this:

“First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.”
― Journal of the Whills, 7:477

“All hail the light, the Dark, and they Gray”
― Excerpt from Empire’s End

“Light, darkness, the balance.”
― Rey

“It’s so much bigger.”
― Luke Skywalker

“And as a lot of people know, it’s difficult when you meet your heroes because it might not be what you expect.”
― Daisy Ridley

This and having characters like Bendu come into canon makes the evidence overwhelming in my opinion. Though it’s possible Luke’s line could be in reference to something even bigger than Ashla, Bogan and a balance between the two but as far as I’m concerned Luke will be either a Grey Jedi or a new Force Wielder that has seen the benefits of balance between the Light and Dark Sides of The Force or the need to use your anger, fear and aggression at certain times.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

generalfrevious said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

I’m not going to lie…like a year ago this post would have gotten me mad but now I revel in the fact that someone…anyone who hates the new K-Canon films admits that they have an irrational hatred of them that their opinion is not based on the quality of the movies themselves. Yeah, knowing this is a fact prematurely is nice but confirmation is better. Thank you.

Dislike of **** movies and hatred for them are different things.

You’re right actually. If you dislike TFA and Rogue One because of reasons XYZ that’s fine but there are people who hate those films because because of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the films themselves. It stands the reason that someone who is grown should be able to not let outside shit influence their opinions but I just don’t know anymore.

EDIT:

There’s also nothing wrong with hating certain movies too but irrational hatred is bad.

generalfrevious said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

I’m not going to lie…like a year ago this post would have gotten me mad but now I revel in the fact that someone…anyone who hates the new K-Canon films admits that they have an irrational hatred of them that their opinion is not based on the quality of the movies themselves. Yeah, knowing this is a fact prematurely is nice but confirmation is better. Thank you.

Perhaps something with the words “Whills” or “Bendu”

Hopefully the Luke book is longer than Weapon of A Jedi.

EDIT:

Has Claudia said anything about a Lost Stars sequel recently?

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:
The Empire Strikes Back along with other Star Wars material have shown that Star Wars can be far far more than what it was originally conceived to be. I refuse to adopt that mindset but it’s fine if you do.

You’re confusing different with good.

There are several posters here who complain every time they see the word “rehash”, and then when they see criticism of something “not Star Wars”, they are quick to follow with accusations of “make up your damn mind!”

Something can be different and try new things and still be in the same spirit as the original. The Empire Strikes Back fits that category. It was Star Wars, but it was more Star Wars, and the spirit of the story was still the same as the spirit of the original, even if it explored more complex emotions and conceits.

On the other hand, something can be different from the original, and can be conceived in a spirit that is entirely counter to the original. Midichlorians in the prequels is an example of this latter category. It took a conceit from the original movies, went in another direction with it, but that direction was against the very spirit of what the originals stood for.

It is not good to do a rehash. It is good to give us a new story. However, it would be extremely not good to give us a story that spits in the face of everything the original trilogy stood for.

No I’m not as I’m merely talking about different methods of storytelling and not about quality.

Also Anchorhead would disagree with you on the ESB thing.

Mocata said:

I guess I’m fine with that. I just hope they haven’t changed TLJ scenes to have that happen.

If anything it would be the other way around.

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

flametitan said:
It really feels like you’re stripping it of its teeth if somebody can control it, even if it takes far more training than not using it.

This kind of ties into something I wanted to post about TLJ in general. The Sith philosophy has a huge emphasis on the strength of the individual and that’s something I want Luke and Rey to teach their new students. It wouldn’t take anything away from the Dark Side as those who don’t control it will still “fall”. The allure of wanting to use the Dark Side exclusively will still be there but this will add an extra layer to the struggle future characters will face.

I’m not too big on that. I want them to focus less on bettering themselves and on bettering those who aren’t so attuned to the Force.

It can be disproportionate but focusing on the strength of the is the one thing from the Sith philosophy that I want to be used in Luke’s new order.

They shouldn’t be monks seeking perfection of self, rather community leaders resolving conflict without violence (but detatched from the actual political ladder so that no force may have sway over them other than the Living Force around them).

I can see the ancient Jedi believing that having a disconnect between the politics and their order would be advantageous as some taint from the political side could seep into their order. Also I think the Jedi should only be brought into the fold for the most serious of circumstances.

I wouldn’t call it mere contrivance when an entire plot point is elite stormtroopers start missing because a dude was praying. It’s very clearly implied that the will of the Force was with him, and let him get to the Master Switch. Ergo, the Force appears to have some kind of will beyond that which the Jedi, Sith, Ren, and whatever Luke has in mind provide.

I didn’t say it was a plot contrivance. I said it was akin to a plot contrivance as both are examples of The Force bending things so that certain events may transpire. So I guess we agree on that point but it doesn’t change how I see the Dark Side and the Light.

Phasma novel coming in September

I have a feeling that I’m going to be saying Finn is fucked three times before I’m halfway done reading this one.

flametitan said:
It really feels like you’re stripping it of its teeth if somebody can control it, even if it takes far more training than not using it.

This kind of ties into something I wanted to post about TLJ in general. The Sith philosophy has a huge emphasis on the strength of the individual and that’s something I want Luke and Rey to teach their new students. It wouldn’t take anything away from the Dark Side as those who don’t control it will still “fall”. The allure of wanting to use the Dark Side exclusively will still be there but this will add an extra layer to the struggle future characters will face.

(As for the Force having its own will: There’s a lot of hints that it does. From Star Wars where Obi Wan says that the Force partially controls your actions

From what I know that only counts for stuff like being able to duel instinctively while contemplating something or conjuring power to unleash a powerful Force Ability and for instinctively raising up a Force Shield within a fraction of a second before a Force Push/Wave.

to Rogue One where Chirrut merely trusting of the Force lets him complete his objective)

I thought Chirrut wasn’t Force Sensitive…I recall reading that he used a bunch of other things to help him achieve his feats. If he isn’t Force Sensitive he was just trusting the Force to make things fall into place just like with the plot contrivances.

Vladius said:
Even when people hate the prequels, their perceptions are still colored and biased against the simple good versus evil narrative that Star Wars is supposed to be.

The Empire Strikes Back along with other Star Wars material have shown that Star Wars can be far far more than what it was originally conceived to be. I refuse to adopt that mindset but it’s fine if you do.

Wrong thread?